Wily Mo to the Red Sox

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Look for Manny to be traded before long. Probably to the Mets.

 

I suspect Wily Mo will play first base and Youkilis moving to 3rd (Lowell has looked horrible).

[rjchapma]

Can Willy Mo play 1B?

[Mizzou]

Can Willy Mo play 1B?

He never did with the Reds.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

It's a pretty easy position to pick up, it's just my guess.

[Shawon12]

Greg Maddox just breathed a sigh of relief. Now if only they would trade Dunn.

[rawaction]

Didn't Boston all but gaurantee Arroyo that they wouldn't trade him after he took less money to stay there? I'd be PISSED if I were him.

 

That's what I was wondering. If I recall wasn't that a big part of the reason he signed such a reasonable contract?

 

I think in the end the Red Sox will see the bigger benefits of this trade. Pena definitely has some big potential, unfortunately he is going into another situation where there isn't guaranteed playing time.

 

It does appear as though Freel's in line for some additional playing time.

 

Freel should have been the everyday 2B. But apparently, the Reds were talking about Tony Womack being the man. That in itself shows how crappily that organization is run.

In fairness to the Reds, Freel has had an absolutely pathetic ST. .103/.186/.154 I like Freel a lot, but even I wouldn't be in a hurry to hand him a job after a dismal start to the baseball year.

 

He consistently puts up much better numbers than that when it counts though, and that's while switching between 4-5 positions.

[EricG]

How does this effect Arroyo's fantasy value?

[jtownie]

How does this effect Arroyo's fantasy value?

 

From what I've read it'll help increase it just a bit because Arroyo was headed to the bullpen to open the season in BOS. While he is moving from AL to NL he is moving into the hitter-friendly GAB.

[rawaction]

Opening day lineup for the Cincinnati Reds vs. the Cubs.

 

LF-Freel

SS-Lopez

CF-Griffey

RF-Kearns

1B-Dunn

3B-Encarnacion

2B-Womack/Aurilla

C-Larue

 

SP-Arroyo

 

Or maybe they'll move Dunn back to LF and start Hatteberg at 1B.

[EricG]

How does this effect Arroyo's fantasy value?

 

From what I've read it'll help increase it just a bit because Arroyo was headed to the bullpen to open the season in BOS. While he is moving from AL to NL he is moving into the hitter-friendly GAB.

I didn't realize Arroyo was slated for a bulpen spot in Boston. How good is Cincy's bullpen? Will they lose a lot of his leads?

[LuckyPup]

WOW- Wily Mo is going to crush in Fenway-

 

Reds=HOSED

[goonys evil twin]

How does this effect Arroyo's fantasy value?

 

From what I've read it'll help increase it just a bit because Arroyo was headed to the bullpen to open the season in BOS. While he is moving from AL to NL he is moving into the hitter-friendly GAB.

I didn't realize Arroyo was slated for a bulpen spot in Boston. How good is Cincy's bullpen? Will they lose a lot of his leads?

 

Arroyo won't have a lot of leads to lose because he's not a good starting pitcher.

[BigbadB]

How does this effect Arroyo's fantasy value?

 

From what I've read it'll help increase it just a bit because Arroyo was headed to the bullpen to open the season in BOS. While he is moving from AL to NL he is moving into the hitter-friendly GAB.

I didn't realize Arroyo was slated for a bulpen spot in Boston. How good is Cincy's bullpen? Will they lose a lot of his leads?

 

Arroyo won't have a lot of leads to lose because he's not a good starting pitcher.

 

I would have been happy to send our 6th starter (Rusch) to Cincy for Pena, even with our current situation. That was a real boneheaded move by Cincy. How closely does Wily Mo's offensive production match a young Sammy Sosa? He may not ever be what Sammy became, but it was foolish for the Reds to just let a guy like that go before he's even entered his prime. It has the chance to look like a George Bell/Sammy Sosa trade down the road.

[TheDude]

I think that Boston got a good deal here, but people's reactions have been too over-the-top IMO.

 

Arroyo has put up respectable starter's numbers for his career - 23-17, 4.30 ERA, .258 BAA - and he's just 29 years old. A good age for a pitcher. He has pretty much established his stat-line and you know what to expect.

 

In the current market, where Arroyo's peers (.500 career pitchers approaching 30) are averaging 7 Million a year deals, it's a nice pick-up for Cinncinati (a budget conscious team).

 

On the other hand, Wily Mo has a career OBP near the Neifi-line (.303), with a BA at .248.

 

His age and MLB sample are both low, so he's an unproven hitter worth gambling on for the Red Sox. But this deal isn't nearly as lopsided as peole are making it out to be.

[rjchapma]

I just don't understand it. Like it makes no sense. If you are gonna get pitching at least get a good pitcher in return someone servicable. I mean I know Clement is a big salary, but if you want to do something with your pitching staff get a legite guy.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I just don't understand it. Like it makes no sense. If you are gonna get pitching at least get a good pitcher in return someone servicable. I mean I know Clement is a big salary, but if you want to do something with your pitching staff get a legite guy.

 

Did you expect Wily Mo to bring Schilling or Papelbon in return?

[rjchapma]

Reds have to be one of the stupidest orginizations of all time. You see they make deals for pitching yet don't get good pitchers in return. AkA DJ Williams for Sean Casey and Arroyo for Willy Mo. Not to mention being happy about signing someone like Ramon Ortiz. The Red Sox really gave it to them on that one. Willy Mo could be a very good outfeilder for them rather than Trot Nixon. Also now that I think about it that outfield not only is good offensively now, but defensively as well.

 

 

Yes im qouting myself because my statement earlier was a little outlandish! They have had a great tradition with there orginization!

On there other hand though this orginization is spiraling downward into oblivion.

[BigbadB]

I think that Boston got a good deal here, but people's reactions have been too over-the-top IMO.

 

Arroyo has put up respectable starter's numbers for his career - 23-17, 4.30 ERA, .258 BAA - and he's just 29 years old. A good age for a pitcher. He has pretty much established his stat-line and you know what to expect.

 

In the current market, where Arroyo's peers (.500 career pitchers approaching 30) are averaging 7 Million a year deals, it's a nice pick-up for Cinncinati (a budget conscious team).

 

On the other hand, Wily Mo has a career OBP near the Neifi-line (.303), with a BA at .248.

 

His age and MLB sample are both low, so he's an unproven hitter worth gambling on for the Red Sox. But this deal isn't nearly as lopsided as peole are making it out to be.

 

One problem with your argument. Wily Mo just turned 24 and has about a season and a half worth of at bats. Neifi is 33 and is past his prime.

 

What had Sammy Sosa done by the time he turned 24? 26 HR's in 336 at bats in 2004 shows tremendous power potential.

[rjchapma]

No, it's just that the Red Sox have been talking about moving Clement and I thought that was an option. I just think they could have gotten someone much better than arroyo for Willy Mo.

[TheDude]

I think that Boston got a good deal here, but people's reactions have been too over-the-top IMO.

 

Arroyo has put up respectable starter's numbers for his career - 23-17, 4.30 ERA, .258 BAA - and he's just 29 years old. A good age for a pitcher. He has pretty much established his stat-line and you know what to expect.

 

In the current market, where Arroyo's peers (.500 career pitchers approaching 30) are averaging 7 Million a year deals, it's a nice pick-up for Cinncinati (a budget conscious team).

 

On the other hand, Wily Mo has a career OBP near the Neifi-line (.303), with a BA at .248.

 

His age and MLB sample are both low, so he's an unproven hitter worth gambling on for the Red Sox. But this deal isn't nearly as lopsided as peole are making it out to be.

 

One problem with your argument. Wily Mo just turned 24 and has about a season and a half worth of at bats. Neifi is 33 and is past his prime.

 

What had Sammy Sosa done by the time he turned 24? 26 HR's in 336 at bats in 2004 shows tremendous power potential.

 

There is no problem with my statement. I noted quite clearly that Wily Mo's sample size was low and those numbers aren't reflective of career expectations.

 

The point was those numbers are projections. This isn't as lopsided a deal as people are claiming. There is more risk in Wily Mo than there is in Arroyo. And the Reds get a respectable starting pitcher whose numbers to dollars is extremely favorable.

[BigbadB]

No, it's just that the Red Sox have been talking about moving Clement and I thought that was an option. I just think they could have gotten someone much better than arroyo for Willy Mo.

 

Clement's price tag is much larger than Arroyo.

[rjchapma]

Oh I know that, but if you are really trying to improve your staff wouldn't you be willing to take that hit in the salary cap?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Oh I know that, but if you are really trying to improve your staff wouldn't you be willing to take that hit in the salary cap?

 

Only if you actually have the money to spend. Would you buy a $5 cheeseburger if you only had $2.50?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I think that Boston got a good deal here, but people's reactions have been too over-the-top IMO.

 

Arroyo has put up respectable starter's numbers for his career - 23-17, 4.30 ERA, .258 BAA - and he's just 29 years old. A good age for a pitcher. He has pretty much established his stat-line and you know what to expect.

 

In the current market, where Arroyo's peers (.500 career pitchers approaching 30) are averaging 7 Million a year deals, it's a nice pick-up for Cinncinati (a budget conscious team).

 

On the other hand, Wily Mo has a career OBP near the Neifi-line (.303), with a BA at .248.

 

His age and MLB sample are both low, so he's an unproven hitter worth gambling on for the Red Sox. But this deal isn't nearly as lopsided as peole are making it out to be.

 

I agree. The Reds desparately need decent pitching. There aren't many decent starting pitchers available for what the Reds had to offer (surplus OF). The Reds GM might want to look into the Grienke situation and take a gamble, but beyond that the available pitchers are either crap or so severely overpaid they aren't worth the likes of Wily Mo Pena.

[rjchapma]

Do they have the money? I'm not aware of there salary cap.