Couldn't bring myself to do it yet

[cubbieinexile]

this has everything to do with you saying you feel like you might wind up picking a new one and asking how people can continue to remain cubs fans after leaving town

 

No it doesn't because I never asked people how they can continue to remain cub fans after leaving town.

[Careless]

And yet you'd say nothing if he moved to, say, India and remained (presumably) a Christian

Accidents of birth result in extremely strong emotional bonds.

 

Not even sure of what this means. I guess you are saying that Baseball is as important as religion. Or that by moving to India one should change religions, which isn't my point. My point is the exact opposite. You are a christian because you were born in America to a chritian family. you didn't choose to become christian, somebody else did that for you.

 

 

Actually you are very wrong. Some people with feeble minds are born into religion and don't question it, but for most of the people I know, they came to their religious actualization on their own. They choose to be Hindu, or Bhuddist or Catholic, or Lutheran, or whatever. Nobody else did it for them.

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The fact that 99%+ of people are born into their religion renders your claim ludicrous

 

Did you READ my explanation? I think you're misunderstanding what I mean by born into, and what I mean by choice.

 

I'm BORN into being Indian, I'm not born into being Hindu. My parents were Hindu, and took me to the temple, and I might have followed that as a kid, but when I was in college I made conscious decisions about what I wanted to be. I had CHOICE.

IF it's a choice, then it can only be made A) on incredibly incomplete/bad information B) with genetically pre-determined outcomes. there is simply no other way that such a vast majority of people could wind up following the religion of their parents with free will (I'm considering respect for tradition/family a loss of free will, btw)

[oldschool]

I haven't read every post in this thread, but after a page or two I've gained a little respect for you guys. I'm not going to lie that I love seeing the Cubs fail, as a Cards fan thats just how it is, but I really do feel for some of you guys that put soo much into rooting for your team and not recieving much love in return.

But some of you doubting as to whether or not its worth it, come on. Its only going to make it feel that much more special when it does happen if continue to hope every year. The Cubs will win a world series, when?, who knows, but it is still baseball, the best game in the world. I must admit you guys have the best atmosphere in regards to the whole Wrigley experience, stadium, bars, cards-cubs, come on.

 

All this talk of quiting the Cubs is just bush, in the words of Frank the tank, "keep on, keep on truckin, good stuff".

[soccer10k]

I'm surprised no one in this thread has blamed Alou for blowing his top and unnecessarily freaking out at Bartman. That, in my opinion, was the act that caused the entire Cubs team to lose its focus. Gonzales then booted the ball, Prior's concentration broke, and we all know the outcome.

 

Dang you, Moises.

Moises wears his emotions on his sleeve, and I don't think his reaction should have been all that surprising to anyone. Plus, he apologized for his reaction before Game 7.

 

Bottom line is that Gonzalez had the highest F% of all NL shortstops in 2003 and that was a routine grounder. Even distracted, any competent player should be expected to make that play.

 

Seconded, Moises is an emotional guy, and make no mistake, that was fan interference, so he was justifiably upset. But Gonzo's error should be the focus of that collapse.

 

Not under the rules it wasn't. The ball was going to land in the stands and therefore was not interference.

 

CFP did a great breakdown at some point afterwards about this, too bad we don't have it any more. Bartman was reaching over the railing. But regardless, it shouldn't have mattered, Gonzo should've made the play, Alou should've worn PF flyers and caught it anyway, etc.

 

http://www.gotwinlakes.com/images/Bartman.jpg

 

You can tell that Alou was reaching over the railing. The ball would NOT have landed on the field of play. Therefore it is not fan interference. As much as I don't want to admit it, the umpires made the correct call. Believe me, I wish just as much as every other Cubs fan that either Alou would have caught the ball or the ball would have landed in the field of play so the umps could have called interference. But it didn't end up that way. The correct call was made.

[Careless]

I'm surprised no one in this thread has blamed Alou for blowing his top and unnecessarily freaking out at Bartman. That, in my opinion, was the act that caused the entire Cubs team to lose its focus. Gonzales then booted the ball, Prior's concentration broke, and we all know the outcome.

 

Dang you, Moises.

Moises wears his emotions on his sleeve, and I don't think his reaction should have been all that surprising to anyone. Plus, he apologized for his reaction before Game 7.

 

Bottom line is that Gonzalez had the highest F% of all NL shortstops in 2003 and that was a routine grounder. Even distracted, any competent player should be expected to make that play.

 

Seconded, Moises is an emotional guy, and make no mistake, that was fan interference, so he was justifiably upset. But Gonzo's error should be the focus of that collapse.

 

Not under the rules it wasn't. The ball was going to land in the stands and therefore was not interference.

 

CFP did a great breakdown at some point afterwards about this, too bad we don't have it any more. Bartman was reaching over the railing. But regardless, it shouldn't have mattered, Gonzo should've made the play, Alou should've worn PF flyers and caught it anyway, etc.

 

http://www.gotwinlakes.com/images/Bartman.jpg

 

You can tell that Alou was reaching over the railing. The ball would NOT have landed on the field of play. Therefore it is not fan interference. As much as I don't want to admit it, the umpires made the correct call. Believe me, I wish just as much as every other Cubs fan that either Alou would have caught the ball or the ball would have landed in the field of play so the umps could have called interference. But it didn't end up that way. The correct call was made.

yeah, because that shot clearly shows the picture down the line, unlike the others that show the railing much more clearly

Boo.

[soccer10k]

I saw all the replays before and I feel that they showed that the ball would not have landed in the field of play. I've come to terms with that. Rather than complain about Bartman, why don't we worry about damning Alex Gonazalez to hell since he is the real culprit.

[Careless]

I saw all the replays before and I feel that they showed that the ball would not have landed in the field of play. I've come to terms with that. Rather than complain about Bartman, why don't we worry about damning Alex Gonazalez to hell since he is the real culprit.

It's ok to be wrong, we even let cardinals fans post here! The bartman play doesn't excuse agonz no matter where the ball lands. It does, however, indict god.

[soccer10k]

I saw all the replays before and I feel that they showed that the ball would not have landed in the field of play. I've come to terms with that. Rather than complain about Bartman, why don't we worry about damning Alex Gonazalez to hell since he is the real culprit.

It's ok to be wrong, we even let cardinals fans post here! The bartman play doesn't excuse agonz no matter where the ball lands. It does, however, indict god.

 

I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong. I just have this ability to realize the truth. And the truth is that it wasn't interference according to the rules. That's a fact.

[Careless]

I saw all the replays before and I feel that they showed that the ball would not have landed in the field of play. I've come to terms with that. Rather than complain about Bartman, why don't we worry about damning Alex Gonazalez to hell since he is the real culprit.

It's ok to be wrong, we even let cardinals fans post here! The bartman play doesn't excuse agonz no matter where the ball lands. It does, however, indict god.

 

I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong. I just have this ability to realize the truth. And the truth is that it wasn't interference according to the rules. That's a fact.

So the rules stipulate that fans can reach out into the playing field and grab balls that would otherwise be in play. Interesting. I sort of thought that was frowned upon

[soccer10k]

I saw all the replays before and I feel that they showed that the ball would not have landed in the field of play. I've come to terms with that. Rather than complain about Bartman, why don't we worry about damning Alex Gonazalez to hell since he is the real culprit.

It's ok to be wrong, we even let cardinals fans post here! The bartman play doesn't excuse agonz no matter where the ball lands. It does, however, indict god.

 

I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong. I just have this ability to realize the truth. And the truth is that it wasn't interference according to the rules. That's a fact.

So the rules stipulate that fans can reach out into the playing field and grab balls that would otherwise be in play. Interesting. I sort of thought that was frowned upon

 

Except he didn't reach out on to the field. I'm done with this debate. I'm not thick headed like you are. Everybody in the nation knows the ball would have landed in the stands except you. Face reality.

[soccer10k]

I'm done with this debate.

[NCCubFan]

But some of you doubting as to whether or not its worth it, come on. Its only going to make it feel that much more special when it does happen if continue to hope every year. The Cubs will win a world series, when?, who knows, but it is still baseball, the best game in the world. I must admit you guys have the best atmosphere in regards to the whole Wrigley experience, stadium, bars, cards-cubs, come on.

 

All this talk of quiting the Cubs is just bush, in the words of Frank the tank, "keep on, keep on truckin, good stuff".

It's worth it. Cubitis is incurable. It's easy to get frustrated at times, but that just goes with the territory. WHEN we do finally win a World Championship we'll enjoy it a lot more than Yankee fans, who think it's their birthright to win it every year.

[Bull]

I saw all the replays before and I feel that they showed that the ball would not have landed in the field of play. I've come to terms with that. Rather than complain about Bartman, why don't we worry about damning Alex Gonazalez to hell since he is the real culprit.

It's ok to be wrong, we even let cardinals fans post here! The bartman play doesn't excuse agonz no matter where the ball lands. It does, however, indict god.

 

I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong. I just have this ability to realize the truth. And the truth is that it wasn't interference according to the rules. That's a fact.

So the rules stipulate that fans can reach out into the playing field and grab balls that would otherwise be in play. Interesting. I sort of thought that was frowned upon

 

Except he didn't reach out on to the field. I'm done with this debate. I'm not thick headed like you are. Everybody in the nation knows the ball would have landed in the stands except you. Face reality.

 

Of course he reached onto the field. It was interference. Bartman is to blame. But not as much as AGonz.