Prior delayed again

[BWcubs21]

so if I understand that correctly then it is a grade 2 tear of the rotator cuff. Not sure if I am interperting that right, but make your own conclusion.

 

Found it here

http://www.youcanbefit.com/shoul.html

[Blueheart05]

Let's not get all crazy because of something on a blog. The insistence that Prior has a tear is speculation at best...We're not talking about the Cubs' team physicans (who might have a reason to spin the diagnosis). Dr Yocum would not risk his credibility to hide a more serious injury.

[ChiCubsFan]

The guy who runs the 1060 West blog says that "a moderate strain of the subscapularis" = B.S. for "grade 2 tear of the rotator cuff." And that the cubs are blowing smoke up our backends by saying Prior will be back anytime soon. what else is new.

 

Are there any doctors around who know if it's true?

 

thanks.

 

 

 

ok I finally got the link brackets to work

 

I believe a strain isn't exactly a tear of the muscle. It can just be an overstretching of the muscle, without an actual tear. However, a strain can also be used to describe a tear. Subscapularis, as someone else pointed out, is indeed part of the "roator cuff" muscles. Subscapularis is the muscle on the anterior side of the scapula. So pretty much it all depends on what they consider a "moderate strain". My guess, not that it means much, is that he partially tore his subscapularis muscle.

[ChiCubsFan]

Let's not get all crazy because of something on a blog. The insistence that Prior has a tear is speculation at best...We're not talking about the Cubs' team physicans (who might have a reason to spin the diagnosis). Dr Yocum would not risk his credibility to hide a more serious injury.

 

That is true and it is pure speculation that he actually tore the muscle. However, if he really did tear it, calling it a "moderate strain" is not incorrect. It sounds better than saying he tore it, but it can mean the same thing.

[BWcubs21]

The guy who runs the 1060 West blog says that "a moderate strain of the subscapularis" = B.S. for "grade 2 tear of the rotator cuff." And that the cubs are blowing smoke up our backends by saying Prior will be back anytime soon. what else is new.

 

Are there any doctors around who know if it's true?

 

thanks.

 

 

 

ok I finally got the link brackets to work

 

I believe a strain isn't exactly a tear of the muscle. It can just be an overstretching of the muscle, without an actual tear. However, a strain can also be used to describe a tear. Subscapularis, as someone else pointed out, is indeed part of the "roator cuff" muscles. Subscapularis is the muscle on the anterior side of the scapula. So pretty much it all depends on what they consider a "moderate strain". My guess, not that it means much, is that he partially tore his subscapularis muscle.

 

I personally think that if he can pitch but is having pretty bad pain then it is a grade 1 tear (from what I understand of tears), as the article I posted said he would have significant loss of range in motion if it was a grade 2 tear.

[Joe_Cub]

Let's not get all crazy because of something on a blog. The insistence that Prior has a tear is speculation at best...We're not talking about the Cubs' team physicans (who might have a reason to spin the diagnosis). Dr Yocum would not risk his credibility to hide a more serious injury.

 

Let's not get all crazy because some of us don't trust the Cubs PR machine. The blog just explains the diagnosis not make it. Dr. Yocum made the diagnosis but he doesn't write the Cubs press releases and say there's nothing to worry about because it's just a muscle strain.

[Joe_Cub]

I believe a strain isn't exactly a tear of the muscle. It can just be an overstretching of the muscle, without an actual tear. However, a strain can also be used to describe a tear. Subscapularis, as someone else pointed out, is indeed part of the "roator cuff" muscles. Subscapularis is the muscle on the anterior side of the scapula. So pretty much it all depends on what they consider a "moderate strain". My guess, not that it means much, is that he partially tore his subscapularis muscle.

 

Thanks for explaining it more.

[BWcubs21]

Let's not get all crazy because of something on a blog. The insistence that Prior has a tear is speculation at best...We're not talking about the Cubs' team physicans (who might have a reason to spin the diagnosis). Dr Yocum would not risk his credibility to hide a more serious injury.

 

That is true and it is pure speculation that he actually tore the muscle. However, if he really did tear it, calling it a "moderate strain" is not incorrect. It sounds better than saying he tore it, but it can mean the same thing.

 

Right its just a different way to not say tear, which would stike fear into the fans.

[Blueheart05]

Let's not get all crazy because of something on a blog. The insistence that Prior has a tear is speculation at best...We're not talking about the Cubs' team physicans (who might have a reason to spin the diagnosis). Dr Yocum would not risk his credibility to hide a more serious injury.

 

Let's not get all crazy because some of us don't trust the Cubs PR machine. The blog just explains the diagnosis not make it. Dr. Yocum made the diagnosis but he doesn't write the Cubs press releases and say there's nothing to worry about because it's just a muscle strain.

 

He was asked his professional opinion. The media can seek him out independently. The Cubs don't have total control of this story thus, they aren't able to hide a more serious diagnosis.

[Joe_Cub]

Let's not get all crazy because of something on a blog. The insistence that Prior has a tear is speculation at best...We're not talking about the Cubs' team physicans (who might have a reason to spin the diagnosis). Dr Yocum would not risk his credibility to hide a more serious injury.

 

Let's not get all crazy because some of us don't trust the Cubs PR machine. The blog just explains the diagnosis not make it. Dr. Yocum made the diagnosis but he doesn't write the Cubs press releases and say there's nothing to worry about because it's just a muscle strain.

 

He was asked his professional opinion. The media can seek him out independently. The Cubs don't have total control of this story thus, they aren't able to hide a more serious diagnosis.

 

Not if they or Prior say it's about medical privacy.

[ChiCubsFan]

Let's not get all crazy because of something on a blog. The insistence that Prior has a tear is speculation at best...We're not talking about the Cubs' team physicans (who might have a reason to spin the diagnosis). Dr Yocum would not risk his credibility to hide a more serious injury.

 

That is true and it is pure speculation that he actually tore the muscle. However, if he really did tear it, calling it a "moderate strain" is not incorrect. It sounds better than saying he tore it, but it can mean the same thing.

 

Right its just a different way to not say tear, which would stike fear into the fans.

 

Maybe, maybe not. It can just be an overstretching of the muscle causing soreness. That's what im hoping, but based on the history of the Cubs trying to hide injuries or make them sound less serious than they actually are, an actual tear is VERY possible.

[Blueheart05]

Let's not get all crazy because of something on a blog. The insistence that Prior has a tear is speculation at best...We're not talking about the Cubs' team physicans (who might have a reason to spin the diagnosis). Dr Yocum would not risk his credibility to hide a more serious injury.

 

That is true and it is pure speculation that he actually tore the muscle. However, if he really did tear it, calling it a "moderate strain" is not incorrect. It sounds better than saying he tore it, but it can mean the same thing.

 

Right its just a different way to not say tear, which would stike fear into the fans.

 

Very possible. In either case, the word tear doesn't necessarily mean there is a serious problem. Weight lifters "tear" their muscles, everytime they workout inorder to make them larger.

[Blueheart05]

Let's not get all crazy because of something on a blog. The insistence that Prior has a tear is speculation at best...We're not talking about the Cubs' team physicans (who might have a reason to spin the diagnosis). Dr Yocum would not risk his credibility to hide a more serious injury.

 

Let's not get all crazy because some of us don't trust the Cubs PR machine. The blog just explains the diagnosis not make it. Dr. Yocum made the diagnosis but he doesn't write the Cubs press releases and say there's nothing to worry about because it's just a muscle strain.

 

He was asked his professional opinion. The media can seek him out independently. The Cubs don't have total control of this story thus, they aren't able to hide a more serious diagnosis.

 

Not if they or Prior say it's about medical privacy.

 

It has nothing to do with privacy; Dr. Yocum's diagnosis is already on record. Again, a renowned specialist isn't going to go on record with a "strain" diagnosis if he knows there is a more severe problem.

[ChiCubsFan]

Let's not get all crazy because of something on a blog. The insistence that Prior has a tear is speculation at best...We're not talking about the Cubs' team physicans (who might have a reason to spin the diagnosis). Dr Yocum would not risk his credibility to hide a more serious injury.

 

That is true and it is pure speculation that he actually tore the muscle. However, if he really did tear it, calling it a "moderate strain" is not incorrect. It sounds better than saying he tore it, but it can mean the same thing.

 

Right its just a different way to not say tear, which would stike fear into the fans.

 

Very possible. In either case, the word tear doesn't necessarily mean there is a serious problem. Weight lifters "tear" their muscles, everytime they workout inorder to make them larger.

 

But you would not say the weight lifters tear their muscles. Some muscle fibers tear when lifting weights, but the muscle, as a whole, does not.

[Joe_Cub]

It has nothing to do with privacy; Dr. Yocum's diagnosis is already on record. Again, a renowned specialist isn't going to go on record with a "strain" diagnosis if he knows there is a more severe problem.

 

That is true and it is pure speculation that he actually tore the muscle. However, if he really did tear it, calling it a "moderate strain" is not incorrect. It sounds better than saying he tore it, but it can mean the same thing.

[BWcubs21]

ok here is something I found at: http://pa.slu.edu/pdf/sportsmedcsd.pdf

 

 

2. Difference is Strains and Sprains: A strain is when you "pull" a muscle and a sprain is when you damage a ligament.

The classification of Strains and Sprains is a follows:

• First degree: a few fibers of the ligament/ muscle are torn and loss of function is mild

• Second degree: roughly half of the fibers of the ligament/ muscle are torn loss of function is moderate to severe

• Third degree: all or most of the fibers of the ligament/ muscleare torn and loss of function is severe

 

So if this is a strain then it is not a tear and not near as serious, just a pulled muscle. am I reading that correct?

[ChiCubsFan]

ok here is something I found at: http://pa.slu.edu/pdf/sportsmedcsd.pdf

 

 

2. Difference is Strains and Sprains: A strain is when you "pull" a muscle and a sprain is when you damage a ligament.

The classification of Strains and Sprains is a follows:

• First degree: a few fibers of the ligament/ muscle are torn and loss of function is mild

• Second degree: roughly half of the fibers of the ligament/ muscle are torn loss of function is moderate to severe

• Third degree: all or most of the fibers of the ligament/ muscleare torn and loss of function is severe

 

So if this is a strain then it is not a tear and not near as serious, just a pulled muscle. am I reading that correct?

 

Well a sprain is irrelevant to the conversation, as that deals with ligaments and not muscles. They said it was a "moderate strain". I've only taken a few 200 level anatomy and physiology classes so I'm no where near qualified enough to assess exactly what the means. From my knowledge, however, a strain is typically when muscle fibers are torn. It can also refer to just an overstretching/overworking of the muslce. So saying its a moderate strain, to me, means that he probably partially tore the muslce, meaning that he tore some of the muscle fibers.

 

 

If you could find something about the difference between calling something a strained muscle as opposed to a torn muscle, that would be helpful.

[Joe_Cub]

I hope Prior will be back rehabbing in 7-10 days like they're thinking now and pitching by May or June.

 

It sure doesn't sound like that's a good plan after reading all this but I guess we'll find out by opening day if the moderate strain will be all cleared up by then and he's throwing again.

 

LOL, Hendry says there's nothing to worry about at all.

 

But, General Manager Jim Hendry said, "It's good news because while there was something that was causing discomfort and he can't throw for 7 to 10 days, there's nothing to worry about, no ligament damage or torn labrum."

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/sports/baseball/19chass.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[BWcubs21]

ok here is something I found at: http://pa.slu.edu/pdf/sportsmedcsd.pdf

 

 

2. Difference is Strains and Sprains: A strain is when you "pull" a muscle and a sprain is when you damage a ligament.

The classification of Strains and Sprains is a follows:

• First degree: a few fibers of the ligament/ muscle are torn and loss of function is mild

• Second degree: roughly half of the fibers of the ligament/ muscle are torn loss of function is moderate to severe

• Third degree: all or most of the fibers of the ligament/ muscleare torn and loss of function is severe

 

So if this is a strain then it is not a tear and not near as serious, just a pulled muscle. am I reading that correct?

 

Well a sprain is irrelevant to the conversation, as that deals with ligaments and not muscles. They said it was a "moderate strain". I've only taken a few 200 level anatomy and physiology classes so I'm no where near qualified enough to assess exactly what the means. From my knowledge, however, a strain is typically when muscle fibers are torn. It can also refer to just an overstretching/overworking of the muslce. So saying its a moderate strain, to me, means that he probably partially tore the muslce, meaning that he tore some of the muscle fibers.

 

 

If you could find something about the difference between calling something a strained muscle as opposed to a torn muscle, that would be helpful.

 

 

A pulled muscle is called a muscle strain. (Here’s a little known fact: a wrenched ligament is always called a sprain, whereas a torn muscle is always called a strain.)

 

Although there may be other factors that make you vulnerable, the immediate cause of every muscle strain is traumatic stretching and tearing of the tissue, often due to the force of your own muscular contraction. The more the muscle is torn, the worse the strain

 

from that I gather they are the same thing. I am pretty confused though :)

[BWcubs21]

I hope Prior will be back rehabbing in 7-10 days like they're thinking now and pitching by May or June.

 

It sure doesn't sound like that's a good plan after reading all this but I guess we'll find out by opening day if the moderate strain will be all cleared up by then and he's throwing again.

 

LOL, Hendry says there's nothing to worry about at all.

 

But, General Manager Jim Hendry said, "It's good news because while there was something that was causing discomfort and he can't throw for 7 to 10 days, there's nothing to worry about, no ligament damage or torn labrum."

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/sports/baseball/19chass.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

 

 

 

Right, but that doesnt mean he didnt strain (or tear) fibers in his subscapularis, which wouldnt be ligament damage or a torn labrum.

[ChiCubsFan]

ok here is something I found at: http://pa.slu.edu/pdf/sportsmedcsd.pdf

 

 

2. Difference is Strains and Sprains: A strain is when you "pull" a muscle and a sprain is when you damage a ligament.

The classification of Strains and Sprains is a follows:

• First degree: a few fibers of the ligament/ muscle are torn and loss of function is mild

• Second degree: roughly half of the fibers of the ligament/ muscle are torn loss of function is moderate to severe

• Third degree: all or most of the fibers of the ligament/ muscleare torn and loss of function is severe

 

So if this is a strain then it is not a tear and not near as serious, just a pulled muscle. am I reading that correct?

 

Well a sprain is irrelevant to the conversation, as that deals with ligaments and not muscles. They said it was a "moderate strain". I've only taken a few 200 level anatomy and physiology classes so I'm no where near qualified enough to assess exactly what the means. From my knowledge, however, a strain is typically when muscle fibers are torn. It can also refer to just an overstretching/overworking of the muslce. So saying its a moderate strain, to me, means that he probably partially tore the muslce, meaning that he tore some of the muscle fibers.

 

 

If you could find something about the difference between calling something a strained muscle as opposed to a torn muscle, that would be helpful.

 

 

A pulled muscle is called a muscle strain. (Here’s a little known fact: a wrenched ligament is always called a sprain, whereas a torn muscle is always called a strain.)

 

Although there may be other factors that make you vulnerable, the immediate cause of every muscle strain is traumatic stretching and tearing of the tissue, often due to the force of your own muscular contraction. The more the muscle is torn, the worse the strain

 

from that I gather they are the same thing. I am pretty confused though :)

 

After doing some reading, it seems like first degree and second degree strains are partial torn muscles, where as a third degree is a complete tear of the muscle. Also, a first degree muscle strain is usually just refered to as a pulled muscle. So a moderate strain is a partial tear.

[BWcubs21]

ok here is something I found at: http://pa.slu.edu/pdf/sportsmedcsd.pdf

 

 

2. Difference is Strains and Sprains: A strain is when you "pull" a muscle and a sprain is when you damage a ligament.

The classification of Strains and Sprains is a follows:

• First degree: a few fibers of the ligament/ muscle are torn and loss of function is mild

• Second degree: roughly half of the fibers of the ligament/ muscle are torn loss of function is moderate to severe

• Third degree: all or most of the fibers of the ligament/ muscleare torn and loss of function is severe

 

So if this is a strain then it is not a tear and not near as serious, just a pulled muscle. am I reading that correct?

 

Well a sprain is irrelevant to the conversation, as that deals with ligaments and not muscles. They said it was a "moderate strain". I've only taken a few 200 level anatomy and physiology classes so I'm no where near qualified enough to assess exactly what the means. From my knowledge, however, a strain is typically when muscle fibers are torn. It can also refer to just an overstretching/overworking of the muslce. So saying its a moderate strain, to me, means that he probably partially tore the muslce, meaning that he tore some of the muscle fibers.

 

 

If you could find something about the difference between calling something a strained muscle as opposed to a torn muscle, that would be helpful.

 

 

A pulled muscle is called a muscle strain. (Here’s a little known fact: a wrenched ligament is always called a sprain, whereas a torn muscle is always called a strain.)

 

Although there may be other factors that make you vulnerable, the immediate cause of every muscle strain is traumatic stretching and tearing of the tissue, often due to the force of your own muscular contraction. The more the muscle is torn, the worse the strain

 

from that I gather they are the same thing. I am pretty confused though :)

 

After doing some reading, it seems like first degree and second degree strains are partial torn muscles, where as a third degree is a complete tear of the muscle. Also, a first degree muscle strain is usually just refered to as a pulled muscle. So a moderate strain is a partial tear.

 

Thats what I am starting to get as well.

[BWcubs21]

Now the question is can he completely tear it (level 3) unless he gets the proper rest and is taken along slowly? Also he is now more vunerable to tearing the fibers in the future right? I think I read in my research it is a 2 month recovery from a level 3.

[ChiCubsFan]

Now the question is can he completely tear it (level 3) unless he gets the proper rest and is taken along slowly? Also he is now more vunerable to tearing the fibers in the future right? I think I read in my research it is a 2 month recovery from a level 3.

 

I'm not really sure. Obviously if its only a level 2, it would seem to make sense that his chances of completely tearing it would be greater than someone without any injury. Also recovery time may refer to the general person's recover time until they can use the muscle again without pain or something. However, throwing 90 MPH fastballs repeatedly is a whole different story.

[Bull]

Now the question is can he completely tear it (level 3) unless he gets the proper rest and is taken along slowly? Also he is now more vunerable to tearing the fibers in the future right? I think I read in my research it is a 2 month recovery from a level 3.

 

or more, ala Nomar.