Wood having arthro leg surgery now

[TommyJohn]

I honestly couldn't disagree with you more on what you typed.

 

And you're qualifications for being able to disagree with me is because you were a patient? :roll:

 

 

Both myself and recently, my girlfriend's brother both had this procedure.

 

And both you and your girlfriend are professional athletes? And what kind of "procedure" did you have? My point is is that there are a lot of variables in determining how a person does - namely the preconditioned state before surgery and the extent of injury.

 

Yea, its outpatient, but isn't EVERYTHING outpatient anymore sadly?

 

Outpatient is a GOOD thing. Advances in technology are allowing us to do less invasive procedures so that patients will spend less time in the hospital, miss less time from work, and be functional faster.

 

 

This injury does not take anywhere close to the amount of time you said it does to heal. Added on top of this, Kerry will obviously not be throwing a baseball during this time, leading to even more necessary strengthening of his arm, etc. etc.

 

 

If you're going to tell me I'm wrong I'd hope that would know more about this subject matter, otherwise, it's pretty pointless. Again, why do so many people think they are medical experts when it's clear they are not?

[Jon]

SportsLine.com[/url]"]"His doctor said it would be better if he continued to throw until the surgery to keep his arm strength going," manager Dusty Baker said Saturday.

 

Wood was expected to miss the start of the season after undergoing surgery on his right shoulder on Aug. 31. Trainer Mark O'Neal said Wood began experiencing "a tapping palpable pain" on the upper bone of his thigh about a week ago and an MRI revealed a medial meniscus tear.

 

O'Neal and Baker said the knee flares up when Wood is running -- not pitching. And Dr. Lewis Yokum, the surgeon performing the operation in Los Angeles, gave the OK to keep throwing.

 

Although O'Neal called it a "one or two-week setback," the latest injury only added to Cubs fans' angst. The 1998 NL Rookie of the Year and an All-Star in 2003, Wood has been on the disabled list nine times in a professional career that began in 1995.

 

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O'Neal said Wood will return to Arizona on Tuesday afternoon and immediately resume workouts.

 

"The key for us is to try to do whatever we can to not lose any arm strength," O'Neal said. "I'm not sure he'll be able to throw for a couple days. But we can ... put him through different dynamic workouts. And we'll get him outside throwing as soon as we can."

 

Pitching coach Larry Rothschild said, "We're going to make sure he exercises the arm without straining the knee."

[TommyJohn]

It appears the surgery is to repair a torn meniscus. The meniscus is the cartilidge that acts like a cushion within the joint. Many people and athletes no longer have meniscus in their knee.

 

It's not like ligament damage. It's likely that the tear is causing some swelling or discomfort, but probably not pain. It could be an injury they are just now discovering and the debate over whether or not to do surgery is common with this type of injury.

 

 

Actually, it appears that the surgery is a partial meniscectomy and not a meniscus repair. I know that even the articles in the trib, etc, are saying that he is undergoing meniscal repair. But in the medical sense of the word "repair" here, it is not true. A repair is when you use sutures to suture a significant tear in the meniscus. Few tears are amendable to repairing because it has to be in the zone of blood supply so that it has nutrients to heal. What it appears is that Wood has some fraying in the unvascularized zone and so the treatment is to cut it out.

 

Many people and athletes no longer having their meniscus is not true. The meniscus is actually very important and if somebody did not have it they would be in a lot of pain and would not be very functional and most likely candidates for total knee replacement.

 

Having said that, people typically do fine with a partial menisectomy.

[Jon]

Cubs.com[/url]"]"The arm strength is there, he's not favoring it pitching at all," Cubs pitching coach Larry Rothschild said. "That's why it was a surprise, really. In the end, of all the things that could happen, this is the mildest.

 

"We won't let him go days without throwing," Rothschild said. "It's important for him not to lose ground. I don't like guys in the middle of an arm rehab not be able to throw if they're healthy, because I think it can set him back. We'll make sure to exercise the arm while he strengthens the knee. If it all goes well, he should be long tossing and continuing the program fairly quickly."

 

Wood has a slight tear of his medial meniscus in his right knee and feels discomfort when he's jogging. An MRI on Wednesday revealed the tear. Jose Macias had a similar operation last spring and was back hitting within two weeks.

 

"When [Wood] first brought this to our attention a few days ago, he's been emphatic that he's felt nothing throwing," Cubs athletic trainer Mark O'Neal said. "He threw on the mound [Friday]. You don't want to start asking after every pitch, but it's the first thing we said, is that, 'You need to let us know if it is.'

 

"As far as being concerned about the throwing he's doing now, he saw Dr. Yocum this morning, and he's completely OK with it," O'Neal said. "He knows [Wood] is throwing on Monday before he goes there Tuesday to have it done."

[DiamondMind]

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If you're going to tell me I'm wrong I'd hope that would know more about this subject matter, otherwise, it's pretty pointless. Again, why do so many people think they are medical experts when it's clear they are not?

 

Everyone has a right to an opinion, and this is the internet afterall. And since myself and the person in this world I know most both did have this procedure, and it wasnt minor. Sorry, its just from personal experience, where my opinion is formed.

[Soul]

Well, here's to a successful surgery and a speedy recovery for Woody.

 

I'm sure we can all agree to that :)

[YearofDaCubs]

One of my friends brought up a good point last night. Why didn't Wood do this surgery sooner? He said he wouldn't be surprised if they held off on the surgery after the tickets went on sale.

 

C'mon man. So if this surgery happened 2 weeks ago the Cubs wouldn't have sold 597,000 tickets? Cubs tickets will sell with or without Kerry.

 

Maybe, just maybe, they didn't do the surgery sooner because they didn't know he needed it at that point.

Considering the BS this organization has spewed recently anything is possible.

[jjgman21]

 

It implies he wasn't running then. Which is also bad, because many have suspected part of Woody's problem is he doesn't perform his due diligence in the offseason.

 

or, it implies he's worked out real hard, which is fanstastic, but sometimes has consequences, like a creeky knee.

 

"It's better now than later," Baker said. "He's been working out real hard on his lower half all winter, so fortunately this is the time of year when he shouldn't be set back too far."

 

Ok, then that implies that Hendry & Baker knew about this all along, it's not a minor thing, they deliberately held it back. We can't have it both ways. Either Hendry & Baker are liars, or Woody's not working out in the offseason. Which is preferable?

 

Does it make sense to you that Woody can't get through an offseason workout program without needing surgery? I mean come on, if that were the case for most people we would need surgery clinics the size of SuperMax prisons. Something is not right. Putting 2 and 2 together, it's not adding up.

 

I really don't get how this is an either/or situation of that sort. exactly what implies that Baker and Hendry knew about this all along?

 

I know there is reason to doubt the veracity of the things that have been said, but it is entirely possible that Wood, realizing he needed to strengthen his legs to improve his mechanics (as Oscar Acosta told him seven years ago), worked out really hard during the off season and caused some minor damage that did not start causing any pain until the last couple of weeks. sometimes it is difficult to put 2 and 2 together when you put unnecessary variables on both sides of the equation.

 

even if his off season workout was no more strenous than usual, people, especially atheletes, get creeky or stiff knees all the time. it's been said time and time again that this surgery isn't really necessary. he could pitch, but they don't want it to be a problem later on. if he were not an athelete, he probably wouldn't be having surgery. so don't begin construction on the supermax out patient facilities just yet.

 

and here here to a successful surgery.

[Lakota_Warrior]

I honestly couldn't disagree with you more on what you typed.

 

And you're qualifications for being able to disagree with me is because you were a patient? :roll:

 

 

Both myself and recently, my girlfriend's brother both had this procedure.

 

And both you and your girlfriend are professional athletes? And what kind of "procedure" did you have? My point is is that there are a lot of variables in determining how a person does - namely the preconditioned state before surgery and the extent of injury.

 

Yea, its outpatient, but isn't EVERYTHING outpatient anymore sadly?

 

Outpatient is a GOOD thing. Advances in technology are allowing us to do less invasive procedures so that patients will spend less time in the hospital, miss less time from work, and be functional faster.

 

 

This injury does not take anywhere close to the amount of time you said it does to heal. Added on top of this, Kerry will obviously not be throwing a baseball during this time, leading to even more necessary strengthening of his arm, etc. etc.

 

 

If you're going to tell me I'm wrong I'd hope that would know more about this subject matter, otherwise, it's pretty pointless. Again, why do so many people think they are medical experts when it's clear they are not?

 

And what makes you more of an expert than someone who has actually gone through this type of operation? Since I have also had this procedure done, I guess that means I don't know jack about it, either. :roll:

Edited March 5, 2006 by Lakota_Warrior

[Magnetic Curses]

This news does not really upset me all that much. I've thought that whatever the Cubs get out of Wood at this point was gravy.

 

What really worries me is Prior.

 

Meanwhile, that mean old bitter Steve Stone is laughing somewhere in Arizona.

 

why is steve stone laughing? because he blames everything on mechanics?

 

i respect stone as an announcer, but he's no more an expert than any pitching coach in MLB.

[badger1679666666]

I honestly couldn't disagree with you more on what you typed.

 

And you're qualifications for being able to disagree with me is because you were a patient? :roll:

 

 

Both myself and recently, my girlfriend's brother both had this procedure.

 

And both you and your girlfriend are professional athletes? And what kind of "procedure" did you have? My point is is that there are a lot of variables in determining how a person does - namely the preconditioned state before surgery and the extent of injury.

 

Yea, its outpatient, but isn't EVERYTHING outpatient anymore sadly?

 

Outpatient is a GOOD thing. Advances in technology are allowing us to do less invasive procedures so that patients will spend less time in the hospital, miss less time from work, and be functional faster.

 

 

This injury does not take anywhere close to the amount of time you said it does to heal. Added on top of this, Kerry will obviously not be throwing a baseball during this time, leading to even more necessary strengthening of his arm, etc. etc.

 

 

If you're going to tell me I'm wrong I'd hope that would know more about this subject matter, otherwise, it's pretty pointless. Again, why do so many people think they are medical experts when it's clear they are not?

 

And what makes you more of an expert than someone who has actually gone through this type of operation? Since I have also had this procedure done, I guess that means I don't know jack about it, either. :roll:

 

If you read his earlier posts, it seems, though I'm not sure, that he is a PHYSICIAN.

 

I can :roll: too.

[Tim]

To ruin Shakespeare, I think this is much ado about practically nothing.

 

Without knowing details of the procedure, what it was for, what the damage was, what other structures got involved and so forth, it is impossible to say what the recovery is going to look like. It could be a few days and it could be much longer. However, since the Cubs seem to have learned their lesson about overly agressive statements of recovery, I'd guess that they're pretty sure he'll be back up and running in the timeframe that they say. (BTW - since sources and knowledge are being questioned here, I get this from my wife who is a physical therapist with about 15 years experience helping people recover from this kind of injury, including olympic athletes).

 

What I CAN guarantee is that nobody here, with the information that we have available, is going to know more about what the recovery time is going to look like than the Cubs and the doctor who performs the surgery.

[CubbieRich]

The latest is that he will have his operation on Tuesday and then return to Arizona the same day. He says he will sit and throw, to keep his arm going. Signing his bloated payroll check twice a month can really put stress on a warrior.

 

Tim, I think the Cubs have not been truthful about injuries, etc.. Most clubs err on the conservative side and then the player normally returns prior to that date. The front office seems to be unable to tell the truth and has a bunker mentality towards the media and the fans.

[Tim]

The latest is that he will have his operation on Tuesday and then return to Arizona the same day. He says he will sit and throw, to keep his arm going. Signing his bloated payroll check twice a month can really put stress on a warrior.

 

Tim, I think the Cubs have not been truthful about injuries, etc.. Most clubs err on the conservative side and then the player normally returns prior to that date. The front office seems to be unable to tell the truth and has a bunker mentality towards the media and the fans.

I think the Cubs have been about as accurate as any team in their return estimates as players have come back earlier, on time and later than expected. I think your opinion is biased because the Cubs are the team you follow the most and there have been a couple of high-profile misses on their part. But they haven't been recent and I think that those experiences have colored people's perceptions on the issue.

 

Were the Giants lying last year about Bonds when they kept pushing back the date but being generally optimisitic to the public about things early in the year?example>

[CubbieRich]

The latest is that he will have his operation on Tuesday and then return to Arizona the same day. He says he will sit and throw, to keep his arm going. Signing his bloated payroll check twice a month can really put stress on a warrior.

 

Tim, I think the Cubs have not been truthful about injuries, etc.. Most clubs err on the conservative side and then the player normally returns prior to that date. The front office seems to be unable to tell the truth and has a bunker mentality towards the media and the fans.

I think the Cubs have been about as accurate as any team in their return estimates as players have come back earlier, on time and later than expected. I think your opinion is biased because the Cubs are the team you follow the most and there have been a couple of high-profile misses on their part. But they haven't been recent and I think that those experiences have colored people's perceptions on the issue.

 

Were the Giants lying last year about Bonds when they kept pushing back the date but being generally optimisitic to the public about things early in the year?example>

 

Let's see...Remember the lingering Hollandsworth injury? He was kept on the 25 man active roster for months, rather than DL him. Choi was hurt, but said he was ready in July. The Cubs continued to stonewall the information. Choi could have come back and Dusty ran Karros into the ground.

 

As to other teams lying, the Giants certainly sold plenty of tickets last year with the prospect of Bonds breaking Hank Aaron's record. With the steroid hearings in March, I'm sure that many knew Bonds would probably have to flush that stuff out of his system before he returned. The Cards did the same thing about Big Yak, by holding back the information that he had a bad leg in the off season. They lied when he and the team announced that Yak had signed a 3 year contract extension just days before tickets went on sale. Then it was revealed that McGwire never signed the contract, but stuck it in a drawer.

[hardcorecubfan]

had the same thing 20 min. after surgury I was in rehab doing a set of excercises for the knee. I could move the knee the surrounding muscle is a bit sore, but I am 45 he is 28 and a pro-athlete (though I know he wishes he had a body like mine *LOL*)

 

I bet he won't throw off the mound for a week but throwing isn't out of the question and full-range (with soreness) in 2 weeks.

[badger1679666666]

The latest is that he will have his operation on Tuesday and then return to Arizona the same day. He says he will sit and throw, to keep his arm going. Signing his bloated payroll check twice a month can really put stress on a warrior.

 

Tim, I think the Cubs have not been truthful about injuries, etc.. Most clubs err on the conservative side and then the player normally returns prior to that date. The front office seems to be unable to tell the truth and has a bunker mentality towards the media and the fans.

 

Why do you act like he's happy to be just sitting on his ass, not pitching, competing, and picking up a paycheck?

 

Honestly CubbieRich, you have it out for him on a personal level. Did he still a girl from you in a previous life or something? I know he's being paid, and not performing to that paycheck, but it seems your dislike and hatred for him go above and beyond just a player who is oft-hurt.

[bobbyd20]

I heard talk on the radio today that some in the media feel Wood is out of shape and carrying extra weight this spring training. I haven't got to see him yet and was just curious if people on this board could weigh-in with their thoughts?

[Jon]

Looks like it went well:

Cubs.com[/url]"]Good wood: Wood's surgery Tuesday on his right knee went well, and he should be able to resume his shoulder rehab program, athletic trainer Mark O'Neal said.

 

Wood underwent a 20-minute procedure in Los Angeles. Dr. Lewis Yocum performed the operation.

 

"They went in there and cleaned the medial meniscus out, and they didn't find anything in there," O'Neal said. "They closed him up, and they'll try to get him back this afternoon."

 

Wood underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right shoulder in late August and had been progressing well this spring. The knee surgery is a minor setback and will push him back about two weeks. He could resume his shoulder program as early as Wednesday.

 

"There's been no surprises," O'Neal said.

[UBlink]

Looks like it went well:

Cubs.com[/url]"]

 

"There's been no surprises," O'Neal said.

 

No surprises - just the way we like it.

[Jon]

Looks like it went well today, as well:

 

Cubs.com[/url]"]MESA, Ariz. -- Chicago Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood rejoined the team on Wednesday after undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his right knee, and was able to resume his rehab program right away, throwing about 90 times. And he was standing up when he did it.

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"The only plan is to keep his arm in shape, because he's gone a long way to get it to where it is and we don't want to go backwards," Cubs pitching coach Larry Rothschild said Wednesday. "In the middle of a rehab, it's important to keep throwing and keep the looseness in there."

 

Wood was able to walk about a half hour after he had the procedure done. Rothschild wants to make sure the right-hander doesn't favor his knee while he's rehabbing his shoulder.

An updated on Prior:

Meanwhile, Mark Prior is on schedule to throw to hitters on Thursday. The right-hander is expected to throw about 30 pitches and will then take a couple days off before facing hitters again, possibly in a simulated game.

 

Rothschild had decided to restructure Prior's spring program at the end of last season. It's an attempt to avoid injuries.

 

"Overall body conditioning, he's worked pretty hard," Rothschild said of Prior, who was slowed this winter by a respiratory infection. "He's been able to come back strength-wise pretty well. It's building up stamina in the arm and the arm speed and the arm strength that we're more concerned about. In the last week, you could see it's really come on.

 

"The program is set so he can face hitters in batting practice [Thursday], take a couple days and then face hitters in different circumstances, and build from there," Rothschild said. "Right now, he's well on his way of doing what we need him to do."

And Z:

"He was overthrowing a little bit," Rothschild said of Zambrano. "He was trying to do a lot of things that he does during the season, but it's the second time out and the conditions are a lot different. As long as he comes out of it healthy, that's the primary thing."

Rothschild thinks Z will probably follow Johan again out of the 'pen. I hope there's a way to avoid that.

[CubbieRich]

The latest is that he will have his operation on Tuesday and then return to Arizona the same day. He says he will sit and throw, to keep his arm going. Signing his bloated payroll check twice a month can really put stress on a warrior.

 

Tim, I think the Cubs have not been truthful about injuries, etc.. Most clubs err on the conservative side and then the player normally returns prior to that date. The front office seems to be unable to tell the truth and has a bunker mentality towards the media and the fans.

 

Why do you act like he's happy to be just sitting on his ass, not pitching, competing, and picking up a paycheck?

 

Honestly CubbieRich, you have it out for him on a personal level. Did he still a girl from you in a previous life or something? I know he's being paid, and not performing to that paycheck, but it seems your dislike and hatred for him go above and beyond just a player who is oft-hurt.

 

Badger, my friend..looks like you're coming over to my side. I expect the highest paid pitcher of the Cubs to lead the team by his performance, very hard to do from the perpetual DL. After years of denying he has bad mechanics, he now admits that he has changed them this winter. Steve Stone is right again. Thank goodness this $12 million DL veteran will be somewhere else next year.

 

Are you moved yet? Have you found Mickey's Diner in St. Paul near the State Capitol? Hope everything is going well.

[badger1679666666]

The latest is that he will have his operation on Tuesday and then return to Arizona the same day. He says he will sit and throw, to keep his arm going. Signing his bloated payroll check twice a month can really put stress on a warrior.

 

Tim, I think the Cubs have not been truthful about injuries, etc.. Most clubs err on the conservative side and then the player normally returns prior to that date. The front office seems to be unable to tell the truth and has a bunker mentality towards the media and the fans.

 

Why do you act like he's happy to be just sitting on his ass, not pitching, competing, and picking up a paycheck?

 

Honestly CubbieRich, you have it out for him on a personal level. Did he still a girl from you in a previous life or something? I know he's being paid, and not performing to that paycheck, but it seems your dislike and hatred for him go above and beyond just a player who is oft-hurt.

 

Badger, my friend..looks like you're coming over to my side. I expect the highest paid pitcher of the Cubs to lead the team by his performance, very hard to do from the perpetual DL. After years of denying he has bad mechanics, he now admits that he has changed them this winter. Steve Stone is right again. Thank goodness this $12 million DL veteran will be somewhere else next year.

 

Are you moved yet? Have you found Mickey's Diner in St. Paul near the State Capitol? Hope everything is going well.

 

1) When did he change his mechanics? He had surgery, I never read anything about mechanics.

2) You still act like he enjoys being injured but still getting paid

3) You may thank goodness now, but if he figures it out, it's gonna be painful to watch him succeed elsewhere

4) Yes I'm all settled in, but I'm in MPLS so I haven't explored St. Paul (and i've only been here for 7 days!

5) Wood is still my favorite Cub.

[TommyJohn]

 

And what makes you more of an expert than someone who has actually gone through this type of operation? Since I have also had this procedure done, I guess that means I don't know jack about it, either. :roll:

 

Well, I'm the guy that does this type of operation.

[David]

 

And what makes you more of an expert than someone who has actually gone through this type of operation? Since I have also had this procedure done, I guess that means I don't know jack about it, either. :roll:

 

Well, I'm the guy that does this type of operation.

 

 

Hahahahah... OWNT.. :lol: