2006 Lineup

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

And how do you figure that? Are you kidding? (I can't spot sarcasm if you had any). Our lack of runs scored in the first inning last year was due to NO small ball. We had too many hackers last year, and Walker is one of them. What does small ball do? It advances runners into scoring position for the big boppers and that requires capable and fundamentally sound tablesetters.

 

One thing I agree is that Walker is a better 2-hole option than Neifi or CPatt, but that isn't much to say, is it?

 

Walker had a 350 OBP. That's a whole lot better than Neifi or Cpatt. In fact it's a lot better than most of the guys on the team.

 

Furthermore, Walker saw 3.6 pitches per PA which was better than both Cedeno and Murton. Walker is about as patient of a hitter we had on the team.

[USSoccer]

 

It's the other way around IMO. I think Walker can be either or (patient and sometimes aggressive). I don't know how you think Cedeno is more aggressive. One thing is for sure, he doesn' swing at pitches out of the zone much. He's way more selective than any other Cub I've seen in recent years. Murton is almost as selective as he is.

 

Like I said before, good AND fast 2-hitters like Luis Castillo don't hit a whole lot of doubles or homeruns, but they act as secondary leadoff hitters that put pressure on opposing pitcher on the basepaths. I'd rather have that than an all or nothing doubles hitter (good), first pitch pop up hitter (bad), slow ground ball double play hitter (very bad).

 

I guess you don't remember the amount of mental mistakes Walker made on baserunning, throwing to home when he should have thrown to first to get the sure out....I mean, I don't know how a player like that doesn't get called dumb. Walker is not a fundamentally sound player, and that is a fact.

 

I can't think of a single instance of Walker making a baserunning error, and can only think of one throwing decision that was bad. There's nothing to suggest Walker isn't fundamentally sound.

 

There's no relationship between success offensively and "putting pressure on the opposing pitcher". If anything, I think it would be more of a distraction to the hitter, since he sees constant movement out of the corner of his eye, wheras pitchers are used to guys being on base.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

It's the other way around IMO. I think Walker can be either or (patient and sometimes aggressive). I don't know how you think Cedeno is more aggressive. One thing is for sure, he doesn' swing at pitches out of the zone much. He's way more selective than any other Cub I've seen in recent years. Murton is almost as selective as he is.

 

Like I said before, good AND fast 2-hitters like Luis Castillo don't hit a whole lot of doubles or homeruns, but they act as secondary leadoff hitters that put pressure on opposing pitcher on the basepaths. I'd rather have that than an all or nothing doubles hitter (good), first pitch pop up hitter (bad), slow ground ball double play hitter (very bad).

 

I guess you don't remember the amount of mental mistakes Walker made on baserunning, throwing to home when he should have thrown to first to get the sure out....I mean, I don't know how a player like that doesn't get called dumb. Walker is not a fundamentally sound player, and that is a fact.

 

Considering Walker saw more pitches per PA, I think that's how I can say it. You're basing your whole assessment on what you "think" you've seen when the actual facts don't back that up.

 

And no that isn't a fact. It's your unsubstantiated opinion. No amount of posturing and grabage spewing by you will make it fact.

Edited January 30, 2006 by vance_the_cubs_fan

[imb]

I don't know how you think Cedeno is more aggressive. One thing is for sure, he doesn' swing at pitches out of the zone much. He's way more selective than any other Cub I've seen in recent years.

 

where are you getting this from? His 80 major league at bats?

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

It's the other way around IMO. I think Walker can be either or (patient and sometimes aggressive). I don't know how you think Cedeno is more aggressive. One thing is for sure, he doesn' swing at pitches out of the zone much. He's way more selective than any other Cub I've seen in recent years. Murton is almost as selective as he is.

 

 

You do realize that this is the same Ronnie Cedeno who drew exactly 5 walks in 87 plate appearances last year, and Zips doesn't project him to improve on that ratio at all this year ??

[CubsFanSince1978]

I think Dusty will go with

 

Pierre

Walker

Lee

Ramirez

Jones

Murton

Barrett

Cedeno

 

And that would be a bummer because with Walker batting second, the notion of small ball goes out the window. Having just one speedy leadoff hitter is not enough. Pierre needs a fast 2-hitter behind him to be more effective. Furthermore, I don't think Walker lays as good a bunt as Cedeno. Walker will square off to bunt, Cedeno doesn't. That keeps the other team guessing. Cedeno can hit to both sides, Walker is a dead pull hitter. When Walker struggles (and he struggles for a long time), he hits too many ground balls. I just see a lot of wasted SB opportunities with Pierre because Walker does not know how to play small ball. He's too dumb and makes too many mental mistakes. My issues with Walker don't end with just his lack of fundamentals, but his less than impressive defense. How many times did we see him and Neifi hack away on the first pitch to hit a pop up when we had a runner trying to steal second??

 

you've convinced me - walker should definitely bat 2nd. eliminating smallball will lead to many more runs.

 

And how do you figure that? Are you kidding? (I can't spot sarcasm if you had any). Our lack of runs scored in the first inning last year was due to NO small ball. We had too many hackers last year, and Walker is one of them. What does small ball do? It advances runners into scoring position for the big boppers and that requires capable and fundamentally sound tablesetters.

One thing I agree is that Walker is a better 2-hole option than Neifi or CPatt, but that isn't much to say, is it?

 

 

Small ball is a myth. If you get 27 outs in a game, why waste them?

 

If there is a specific situation where the Cubs need to advance a runner, bunting ability is important, but that's not a way to formulate an offensive strategy.

 

The Cubs should value not making outs over making them.

 

And our lack of 1st inning runs was due to the fact that Lee would usually bat with 2 out, and no one on base, because our 1-2 hitters...made too many outs.

 

What's your definition of small ball? You make it sound as if it was one-dimensional. It isn't just bunting, it's also not only getting on base, but also stealing, advancing to second when the opposing pitcher is not paying attention, or just good baserunning qualifies as well.

 

The 2003 Marlins won because they had all the ingredients. They had pitching, good bullpen, defense, small ball, some power with Lee and Cabrera and a few others. A balanced approach is the best way to win.

[CubsFanSince1978]

Walker is too "dumb" to hit second?

 

That's new.

 

That's not the point. The point is he is not fundamentally sound. If you can't remember all the mental mistakes he made, then I don't know what else to say.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Walker is too "dumb" to hit second?

 

That's new.

 

That's not the point. The point is he is not fundamentally sound. If you can't remember all the mental mistakes he made, then I don't know what else to say.

 

For those of us who don't remember them, please list by date and opponent. I'm calling BS on this.

 

Walker may not be the best defensively and he lacks range there, but he doesn't make mental mistakes.

 

You've provided no evidence to the contrary.

[CubsFanSince1978]

And that would be a bummer because with Walker batting second, the notion of small ball goes out the window.

 

Hooray.

Having just one speedy leadoff hitter is not enough. Pierre needs a fast 2-hitter behind him to be more effective.

 

Nonononono, you don't need any speedy hitters at all. It's a luxury and you are overrating it's value.

 

Furthermore, I don't think Walker lays as good a bunt as Cedeno. Walker will square off to bunt, Cedeno doesn't. That keeps the other team guessing.

 

WAY down the list of things you look at when determining batting order.

 

Cedeno can hit to both sides, Walker is a dead pull hitter. When Walker struggles (and he struggles for a long time), he hits too many ground balls.

 

Thing is, Walker is a superior hitter to Cedeno in every aspect of the game.

 

I just see a lot of wasted SB opportunities with Pierre because Walker does not know how to play small ball. He's too dumb and makes too many mental mistakes. My issues with Walker don't end with just his lack of fundamentals, but his less than impressive defense.

 

Again, we want Walker getting on base and hitting for extra bases, not taking hittable pitches so Pierre can risk an out with his less than amazing stealing prowess, not bunting or grounding out on purpose to advance runners.

 

You don't need any speedy hitters at all? So you think the Pierre/Castillo combo was crap? (I just showed how silly your point of view looks) Common people, what I'm trying to say is that a speedy WITH good OBP 2-hitter is better than a slow one.

[Diffusion]

I can't come up with an order to put Barrett, Lee, Walker, Ramirez, Cedeno, Murton, Pierre and Jones in that I like, and I don't think anyone can.

[noisesquared]

And I don't see how anyone can say Walker is a "dumb" player. That's about as baseless of a comment as I've seen.

 

You Louisana guys sure do stick together, don't you ? :wink:

 

Louisiana or not, there's not one scintila of evidence to back up such a ludicrous statement.

 

My most lasting memory of Todd Walker right now is:

 

Rich Hill's start against the Mets in Shea Stadium. It was bottom of the 2nd, men on 1st and 3rd no outs. Soft ground ball hit to Walker's left. Walker runs and fields the ball. Instead of taking the safe out at first, or even riskier, trying to turn two, he throws home, having ZERO chance to nail the runner at home. I think Barrett was surprised by the throw. The runner scores easily, leaving men at 1st and second with nobody out. The Mets go on to knock Hill out in that inning. Just a dumb play that really stood out in a season of dumb plays.

 

I'm not saying Walker is a dumb player, but he (and Barrett too - the PHI rundown to allow the winning run to score argggghhhhh) seems inclined to makes some really bad decisions with the ball. If I never see Walker make another toss-the-ball-directly-from-his-glove-to-1st play, it'll be too soon.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

And that would be a bummer because with Walker batting second, the notion of small ball goes out the window.

 

Hooray.

Having just one speedy leadoff hitter is not enough. Pierre needs a fast 2-hitter behind him to be more effective.

 

Nonononono, you don't need any speedy hitters at all. It's a luxury and you are overrating it's value.

 

Furthermore, I don't think Walker lays as good a bunt as Cedeno. Walker will square off to bunt, Cedeno doesn't. That keeps the other team guessing.

 

WAY down the list of things you look at when determining batting order.

 

Cedeno can hit to both sides, Walker is a dead pull hitter. When Walker struggles (and he struggles for a long time), he hits too many ground balls.

 

Thing is, Walker is a superior hitter to Cedeno in every aspect of the game.

 

I just see a lot of wasted SB opportunities with Pierre because Walker does not know how to play small ball. He's too dumb and makes too many mental mistakes. My issues with Walker don't end with just his lack of fundamentals, but his less than impressive defense.

 

Again, we want Walker getting on base and hitting for extra bases, not taking hittable pitches so Pierre can risk an out with his less than amazing stealing prowess, not bunting or grounding out on purpose to advance runners.

 

You don't need any speedy hitters at all? So you think the Pierre/Castillo combo was crap? (I just showed how silly your point of view looks) Common people, what I'm trying to say is that a speedy WITH good OBP 2-hitter is better than a slow one.

 

I think it had more to do with Castillo's 381 OBP in the second spot than his speed.

[imb]

And that would be a bummer because with Walker batting second, the notion of small ball goes out the window.

 

Hooray.

Having just one speedy leadoff hitter is not enough. Pierre needs a fast 2-hitter behind him to be more effective.

 

Nonononono, you don't need any speedy hitters at all. It's a luxury and you are overrating it's value.

 

Furthermore, I don't think Walker lays as good a bunt as Cedeno. Walker will square off to bunt, Cedeno doesn't. That keeps the other team guessing.

 

WAY down the list of things you look at when determining batting order.

 

Cedeno can hit to both sides, Walker is a dead pull hitter. When Walker struggles (and he struggles for a long time), he hits too many ground balls.

 

Thing is, Walker is a superior hitter to Cedeno in every aspect of the game.

 

I just see a lot of wasted SB opportunities with Pierre because Walker does not know how to play small ball. He's too dumb and makes too many mental mistakes. My issues with Walker don't end with just his lack of fundamentals, but his less than impressive defense.

 

Again, we want Walker getting on base and hitting for extra bases, not taking hittable pitches so Pierre can risk an out with his less than amazing stealing prowess, not bunting or grounding out on purpose to advance runners.

 

You don't need any speedy hitters at all? So you think the Pierre/Castillo combo was crap? (I just showed how silly your point of view looks) Common people, what I'm trying to say is that a speedy WITH good OBP 2-hitter is better than a slow one.

 

I dont need a Porsche. That doesn't mean that it's crap. I just showed how silly your post was.

[CubsFanSince1978]

Walker is too "dumb" to hit second?

 

That's new.

 

That's not the point. The point is he is not fundamentally sound. If you can't remember all the mental mistakes he made, then I don't know what else to say.

 

For those of us who don't remember them, please list by date and opponent. I'm calling BS on this.

 

Walker may not be the best defensively and he lacks range there, but he doesn't make mental mistakes.

 

You've provided no evidence to the contrary.

 

The evidence is in the games he played last year. Geez I don't have the dates, but since some people tend to forget rather easily, then I guess I'll have to record everything just to prove my point.

 

Did you forget the game when Walker threw home instead of getting the sure out at 1st base? There was no way he could gotten the runner going home. That is just one of the ton of mistakes he made.

[CubsFanSince1978]

And that would be a bummer because with Walker batting second, the notion of small ball goes out the window.

 

Hooray.

Having just one speedy leadoff hitter is not enough. Pierre needs a fast 2-hitter behind him to be more effective.

 

Nonononono, you don't need any speedy hitters at all. It's a luxury and you are overrating it's value.

 

Furthermore, I don't think Walker lays as good a bunt as Cedeno. Walker will square off to bunt, Cedeno doesn't. That keeps the other team guessing.

 

WAY down the list of things you look at when determining batting order.

 

Cedeno can hit to both sides, Walker is a dead pull hitter. When Walker struggles (and he struggles for a long time), he hits too many ground balls.

 

Thing is, Walker is a superior hitter to Cedeno in every aspect of the game.

 

I just see a lot of wasted SB opportunities with Pierre because Walker does not know how to play small ball. He's too dumb and makes too many mental mistakes. My issues with Walker don't end with just his lack of fundamentals, but his less than impressive defense.

 

Again, we want Walker getting on base and hitting for extra bases, not taking hittable pitches so Pierre can risk an out with his less than amazing stealing prowess, not bunting or grounding out on purpose to advance runners.

 

You don't need any speedy hitters at all? So you think the Pierre/Castillo combo was crap? (I just showed how silly your point of view looks) Common people, what I'm trying to say is that a speedy WITH good OBP 2-hitter is better than a slow one.

 

I dont need a Porsche. That doesn't mean that it's crap. I just showed how silly your post was.

 

Bad analogy. A Porsche doesn't score runs. Can Walker make pitchers nervous when he gets on base? NO.

[imb]

And that would be a bummer because with Walker batting second, the notion of small ball goes out the window.

 

Hooray.

Having just one speedy leadoff hitter is not enough. Pierre needs a fast 2-hitter behind him to be more effective.

 

Nonononono, you don't need any speedy hitters at all. It's a luxury and you are overrating it's value.

 

Furthermore, I don't think Walker lays as good a bunt as Cedeno. Walker will square off to bunt, Cedeno doesn't. That keeps the other team guessing.

 

WAY down the list of things you look at when determining batting order.

 

Cedeno can hit to both sides, Walker is a dead pull hitter. When Walker struggles (and he struggles for a long time), he hits too many ground balls.

 

Thing is, Walker is a superior hitter to Cedeno in every aspect of the game.

 

I just see a lot of wasted SB opportunities with Pierre because Walker does not know how to play small ball. He's too dumb and makes too many mental mistakes. My issues with Walker don't end with just his lack of fundamentals, but his less than impressive defense.

 

Again, we want Walker getting on base and hitting for extra bases, not taking hittable pitches so Pierre can risk an out with his less than amazing stealing prowess, not bunting or grounding out on purpose to advance runners.

 

You don't need any speedy hitters at all? So you think the Pierre/Castillo combo was crap? (I just showed how silly your point of view looks) Common people, what I'm trying to say is that a speedy WITH good OBP 2-hitter is better than a slow one.

 

I dont need a Porsche. That doesn't mean that it's crap. I just showed how silly your post was.

 

Bad analogy. A Porsche doesn't score runs. Can Walker make pitchers nervous when he gets on base? NO.

 

Jesus Christ, give me a break. A Porsche doesnt score runs, thanks for the tip, I forgot I was talking about the BASEBALL PLAYING SKILLS OF A SPORTS VEHICLE. Oh wait, I wasnt. TT said that you dont need speed, that its a luxury, you said that he called it "crap" which he didnt, I was just pointing out that "flaw" in your comprehension "skills".

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Walker is too "dumb" to hit second?

 

That's new.

 

That's not the point. The point is he is not fundamentally sound. If you can't remember all the mental mistakes he made, then I don't know what else to say.

 

For those of us who don't remember them, please list by date and opponent. I'm calling BS on this.

 

Walker may not be the best defensively and he lacks range there, but he doesn't make mental mistakes.

 

You've provided no evidence to the contrary.

 

The evidence is in the games he played last year. Geez I don't have the dates, but since some people tend to forget rather easily, then I guess I'll have to record everything just to prove my point.

 

Did you forget the game when Walker threw home instead of getting the sure out at 1st base? There was no way he could gotten the runner going home. That is just one of the ton of mistakes he made.

 

You have one. And yes, since I watched pretty much 140 of the 162 games and don't think Walker made any more mistakes than other players, yes you need to have to record it or find some metric to back up your way off base claims.

[CubsFanSince1978]

the 2 hole hitter might bunt what? 15-20 times this year, tops? He's going to be swinging the other 500-600 times. Why do you rate "bunting ability" ahead of "not making an outability"?

 

Probably more than 15-20 times. I get your point, but it's good to have someone who can execute when the occasion asks for it. Anyway, good bunting is just one facet of the game. I also went over the fact Cedeno is very selective.

 

Ok, lets just wait and see what both players will bring. With Walker we know pretty much what he'll bring....an ok glove, good pop, decent OBP (you see I'm not just trying to bring him down).

 

With Cedeno, I predict many of you will be surprised. The kid is special.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

And that would be a bummer because with Walker batting second, the notion of small ball goes out the window.

 

Hooray.

Having just one speedy leadoff hitter is not enough. Pierre needs a fast 2-hitter behind him to be more effective.

 

Nonononono, you don't need any speedy hitters at all. It's a luxury and you are overrating it's value.

 

Furthermore, I don't think Walker lays as good a bunt as Cedeno. Walker will square off to bunt, Cedeno doesn't. That keeps the other team guessing.

 

WAY down the list of things you look at when determining batting order.

 

Cedeno can hit to both sides, Walker is a dead pull hitter. When Walker struggles (and he struggles for a long time), he hits too many ground balls.

 

Thing is, Walker is a superior hitter to Cedeno in every aspect of the game.

 

I just see a lot of wasted SB opportunities with Pierre because Walker does not know how to play small ball. He's too dumb and makes too many mental mistakes. My issues with Walker don't end with just his lack of fundamentals, but his less than impressive defense.

 

Again, we want Walker getting on base and hitting for extra bases, not taking hittable pitches so Pierre can risk an out with his less than amazing stealing prowess, not bunting or grounding out on purpose to advance runners.

 

You don't need any speedy hitters at all? So you think the Pierre/Castillo combo was crap? (I just showed how silly your point of view looks) Common people, what I'm trying to say is that a speedy WITH good OBP 2-hitter is better than a slow one.

 

I dont need a Porsche. That doesn't mean that it's crap. I just showed how silly your post was.

 

Bad analogy. A Porsche doesn't score runs. Can Walker make pitchers nervous when he gets on base? NO.

 

I think Walker at the plate will make pitchers a lot more nervous than Cedeno will.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

the 2 hole hitter might bunt what? 15-20 times this year, tops? He's going to be swinging the other 500-600 times. Why do you rate "bunting ability" ahead of "not making an outability"?

 

Probably more than 15-20 times. I get your point, but it's good to have someone who can execute when the occasion asks for it. Anyway, good bunting is just one facet of the game. I also went over the fact Cedeno is very selective.

 

Ok, lets just wait and see what both players will bring. With Walker we know pretty much what he'll bring....an ok glove, good pop, decent OBP (you see I'm not just trying to bring him down).

 

With Cedeno, I predict many of you will be surprised. The kid is special.

 

Once again, Cedeno is no more patient at the plate than Walker. Walker saw more pitches per plate appearance than Cedeno last season.

[CubsFanSince1978]

I think Dusty will go with

 

Pierre

Walker

Lee

Ramirez

Jones

Murton

Barrett

Cedeno

 

And that would be a bummer because with Walker batting second, the notion of small ball goes out the window. Having just one speedy leadoff hitter is not enough. Pierre needs a fast 2-hitter behind him to be more effective. Furthermore, I don't think Walker lays as good a bunt as Cedeno. Walker will square off to bunt, Cedeno doesn't. That keeps the other team guessing. Cedeno can hit to both sides, Walker is a dead pull hitter. When Walker struggles (and he struggles for a long time), he hits too many ground balls. I just see a lot of wasted SB opportunities with Pierre because Walker does not know how to play small ball. He's too dumb and makes too many mental mistakes. My issues with Walker don't end with just his lack of fundamentals, but his less than impressive defense. How many times did we see him and Neifi hack away on the first pitch to hit a pop up when we had a runner trying to steal second??

 

you've convinced me - walker should definitely bat 2nd. eliminating smallball will lead to many more runs.

 

And how do you figure that? Are you kidding? (I can't spot sarcasm if you had any). Our lack of runs scored in the first inning last year was due to NO small ball. We had too many hackers last year, and Walker is one of them. What does small ball do? It advances runners into scoring position for the big boppers and that requires capable and fundamentally sound tablesetters.

One thing I agree is that Walker is a better 2-hole option than Neifi or CPatt, but that isn't much to say, is it?

 

Small ball is a myth. If you get 27 outs in a game, why waste them?

 

If there is a specific situation where the Cubs need to advance a runner, bunting ability is important, but that's not a way to formulate an offensive strategy.

 

The Cubs should value not making outs over making them.

 

And our lack of 1st inning runs was due to the fact that Lee would usually bat with 2 out, and no one on base, because our 1-2 hitters...made too many outs.

 

Not only were Neifi and CPatt not getting on base ahead of Lee, but they were virtually automatic outs (aside from not taking a base on ball). There was a time when Neifi hit well, but we know what happened for most of the season after that.

[CubsFanSince1978]

I don't know how you think Cedeno is more aggressive. One thing is for sure, he doesn' swing at pitches out of the zone much. He's way more selective than any other Cub I've seen in recent years.

 

where are you getting this from? His 80 major league at bats?

 

Not many at bats, but enough to convince me it wasn't a fluke. It's not that he was hitting the cover off the ball, it was his approach that impressed me.

[Mizzou]

I think Dusty will go with

 

Pierre

Walker

Lee

Ramirez

Jones

Murton

Barrett

Cedeno

 

And that would be a bummer because with Walker batting second, the notion of small ball goes out the window. Having just one speedy leadoff hitter is not enough. Pierre needs a fast 2-hitter behind him to be more effective. Furthermore, I don't think Walker lays as good a bunt as Cedeno. Walker will square off to bunt, Cedeno doesn't. That keeps the other team guessing. Cedeno can hit to both sides, Walker is a dead pull hitter. When Walker struggles (and he struggles for a long time), he hits too many ground balls. I just see a lot of wasted SB opportunities with Pierre because Walker does not know how to play small ball. He's too dumb and makes too many mental mistakes. My issues with Walker don't end with just his lack of fundamentals, but his less than impressive defense. How many times did we see him and Neifi hack away on the first pitch to hit a pop up when we had a runner trying to steal second??

 

you've convinced me - walker should definitely bat 2nd. eliminating smallball will lead to many more runs.

 

And how do you figure that? Are you kidding? (I can't spot sarcasm if you had any). Our lack of runs scored in the first inning last year was due to NO small ball. We had too many hackers last year, and Walker is one of them. What does small ball do? It advances runners into scoring position for the big boppers and that requires capable and fundamentally sound tablesetters.

One thing I agree is that Walker is a better 2-hole option than Neifi or CPatt, but that isn't much to say, is it?

 

Small ball is a myth. If you get 27 outs in a game, why waste them?

 

If there is a specific situation where the Cubs need to advance a runner, bunting ability is important, but that's not a way to formulate an offensive strategy.

 

The Cubs should value not making outs over making them.

 

And our lack of 1st inning runs was due to the fact that Lee would usually bat with 2 out, and no one on base, because our 1-2 hitters...made too many outs.

 

Not only were Neifi and CPatt not getting on base ahead of Lee, but they were virtually automatic outs (aside from not taking a base on ball). There was a time when Neifi hit well, but we know what happened for most of the season after that.

Yeah, he stopped peeking back at the catcher right around the same time that he started to suck again. Wasn't it the Mets that drilled him in the back after they caught him doing that?

[CubsFanSince1978]

Sorry folksssss, I have to go eat dinner now. This is a good topic. What we all want is for the Cubs to win.

 

Go CUbbies!!!!!

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

Not only were Neifi and CPatt not getting on base ahead of Lee, but they were virtually automatic outs (aside from not taking a base on ball). There was a time when Neifi hit well, but we know what happened for most of the season after that.

Yeah, he stopped peeking back at the catcher right around the same time that he started to suck again. Wasn't it the Mets that drilled him in the back after they caught him doing that?

 

Yes, it was the Mets.... and a week later Neifi went on another one of his streaks.......

 

Perez          AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR  TB RBI  BB  SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
05/17 - 06/05  83  11  33   5   0   3  47  12   1   5  0.398  0.407  0.566  0.973

 

.... putting up even better numbers in more ABs than what he did in April.