Jim Hendry Scheduled to be on Bruce Levine's Show

TrueBlueCubFan · January 28, 2006

Jim Hendry: how could such a promising GM go down the tubes so quickly?

Truly sad. I want the 2003 Hendry back. This other guy is a joke. :evil:

The 2004 team was clearly the best team he put together. 04' & 05' the Cubs were decimated with injuries & teams like the Astros & Cards, had very healthy pitching staffs. Health/depth will be the main determining factor on how good the Cubs will be in 06'.

BigbadB · January 28, 2006

Jim Hendry: how could such a promising GM go down the tubes so quickly?

Truly sad. I want the 2003 Hendry back. This other guy is a joke. :evil:

The 2004 team was clearly the best team he put together. 04' & 05' the Cubs were decimated with injuries & teams like the Astros & Cards, had very healthy pitching staffs. Health/depth will be the main determining factor on how good the Cubs will be in 06'.

Right now, there is no depth in the outfield. Maybe he still plans on addressing that before they head into Spring Training. If not, the outfield is going to be a major concern for the 2nd year in a row.

Soul · January 28, 2006

Jim Hendry: how could such a promising GM go down the tubes so quickly?

Truly sad. I want the 2003 Hendry back. This other guy is a joke. :evil:

The 2004 team was clearly the best team he put together. 04' & 05' the Cubs were decimated with injuries & teams like the Astros & Cards, had very healthy pitching staffs. Health/depth will be the main determining factor on how good the Cubs will be in 06'.

Right now, there is no depth in the outfield. Maybe he still plans on addressing that before they head into Spring Training. If not, the outfield is going to be a major concern for the 2nd year in a row.

Might be a little late now, BBB. Not much left to pick from I fear.

TBCF:

Everything comes back on the GM in one way or another. Even injuries. Especially when you string multiple seasons of injury-plagued baseball together. At some point, a good GM would look at health as a factor in his decisions and bring in ballplayers and staff to ensure more players are healthy. Hey----look at a ballclub like the Bears. Injured for years. Then they finally address the issue and wind up with a healthy playoff team. You can't control every injury that takes place, but you can control the overall picture in order to minimize the potential for injury.

So, while I agree injuries are unpredictable in the short term, over the longterm a GM must have a successful plan in place to minimize their impact. And Hendry hasn't done that.

David · January 28, 2006

- ability is there to get hits, but we didn't have timely hitting last year

The timely hitting was there, Jim. The guys who draw the walks in front of timely hitting were not.

I'm not so sure that the timely hitting was there. We left a lot of runners in scoring position including a number of basesloaded situations IIRC.

It's difficult to have timely hitting when there are not many guys on base to create timely hitting in the first place.

Walks are fine but I'd rather have a team that relied on timely hits. You can't build a team around telling guys to walk. You can just try to stress pitch selection, which should lead to better hitting and more walks.

EDIT: I wouldn't be surprised if we were in the top five for runners left in scoring position. That happened all the time last year.

you're kidding, right?

please tell me that you're being saracstic.

Yea, seriously...Can't build a team around telling guys to walk but rely on timely hits? How exactly do you get your team to get "timely hits?"

Of course, you can, however, have players that consistently don't make outs and find ways to get on base. That is something you CAN control. And it affords you more opportunities for those hits that you do get to be so-called "timely hits."

Plate approach is something that can be done consistently... The luck of when those hits you'll get (at best 1 out of 3 times) come is really beyond anyone's control.

TrueBlueCubFan · January 28, 2006

Jim Hendry: how could such a promising GM go down the tubes so quickly?

Truly sad. I want the 2003 Hendry back. This other guy is a joke. :evil:

The 2004 team was clearly the best team he put together. 04' & 05' the Cubs were decimated with injuries & teams like the Astros & Cards, had very healthy pitching staffs. Health/depth will be the main determining factor on how good the Cubs will be in 06'.

Right now, there is no depth in the outfield. Maybe he still plans on addressing that before they head into Spring Training. If not, the outfield is going to be a major concern for the 2nd year in a row.

Mabry,Hairston & Grissom do provide some depth. Not the most ideal,however, it's still possible they can be effective. In my opinion, the health/depth of the pitching staff is more crucial to a successful 06' season than is the corner OF spots.

David · January 28, 2006

Jim Hendry: how could such a promising GM go down the tubes so quickly?

Truly sad. I want the 2003 Hendry back. This other guy is a joke. :evil:

The 2004 team was clearly the best team he put together. 04' & 05' the Cubs were decimated with injuries & teams like the Astros & Cards, had very healthy pitching staffs. Health/depth will be the main determining factor on how good the Cubs will be in 06'.

Right now, there is no depth in the outfield. Maybe he still plans on addressing that before they head into Spring Training. If not, the outfield is going to be a major concern for the 2nd year in a row.

Might be a little late now, BBB. Not much left to pick from I fear.

TBCF:
Everything comes back on the GM in one way or another. Even injuries. Especially when you string multiple seasons of injury-plagued baseball together. At some point, a good GM would look at health as a factor in his decisions and bring in ballplayers and staff to ensure more players are healthy. Hey----look at a ballclub like the Bears. Injured for years. Then they finally address the issue and wind up with a healthy playoff team. You can't control every injury that takes place, but you can control the overall picture in order to minimize the potential for injury.

So, while I agree injuries are unpredictable in the short term, over the longterm a GM must have a successful plan in place to minimize their impact. And Hendry hasn't done that.

I'm still not sure the Hendry I'd want is the Hendry of 2003.... That team was just lucky to be in a really bad division. Moves like Dusty Baker, Randall Simon, Doug Glanville, etc...not exactly the moves I'd be calling for. Sure, they worked out well at times THAT YEAR (i.e. it just so happened that Simon came through with some big playoff hits.. or that Glanville hit that triple)...but those still aren't acquisitions you could be happy with at the time.

The ARam/Lofton trade worked out pretty well, but ARam wasn't all that great in 03, and the offense, contrary to popular belief, didn't do much better after that trade.

Now the Hendry of 04... that was the best Hendry (and best Cubs team of recent memory) IMHO. The Nomar trade was a thing of pure beauty. The Lee deal was a solid move. Walker was a very nice pickup, etc. Hawkins, had he been used as a setup man, was also a very good addition to the pen.

It's just a shame that team had to tank at the end of the year. :x

TrueBlueCubFan · January 28, 2006

Jim Hendry: how could such a promising GM go down the tubes so quickly?

Truly sad. I want the 2003 Hendry back. This other guy is a joke. :evil:

The 2004 team was clearly the best team he put together. 04' & 05' the Cubs were decimated with injuries & teams like the Astros & Cards, had very healthy pitching staffs. Health/depth will be the main determining factor on how good the Cubs will be in 06'.

Right now, there is no depth in the outfield. Maybe he still plans on addressing that before they head into Spring Training. If not, the outfield is going to be a major concern for the 2nd year in a row.

Might be a little late now, BBB. Not much left to pick from I fear.

TBCF:
Everything comes back on the GM in one way or another. Even injuries. Especially when you string multiple seasons of injury-plagued baseball together. At some point, a good GM would look at health as a factor in his decisions and bring in ballplayers and staff to ensure more players are healthy. Hey----look at a ballclub like the Bears. Injured for years. Then they finally address the issue and wind up with a healthy playoff team. You can't control every injury that takes place, but you can control the overall picture in order to minimize the potential for injury.

So, while I agree injuries are unpredictable in the short term, over the longterm a GM must have a successful plan in place to minimize their impact. And Hendry hasn't done that.

Can you site examples where JH has ignored or hasn't had a long term plan on minimizing injuries?

BTW, JH has readily admitted that LY was not successful & he didn't get the job done & wouldn't use injuries as an excuse for that. In my opinion, he has taken more ownership of the failure of the 05' Cubs than Dusty.

TrueBlueCubFan · January 28, 2006

Jim Hendry: how could such a promising GM go down the tubes so quickly?

Truly sad. I want the 2003 Hendry back. This other guy is a joke. :evil:

The 2004 team was clearly the best team he put together. 04' & 05' the Cubs were decimated with injuries & teams like the Astros & Cards, had very healthy pitching staffs. Health/depth will be the main determining factor on how good the Cubs will be in 06'.

Right now, there is no depth in the outfield. Maybe he still plans on addressing that before they head into Spring Training. If not, the outfield is going to be a major concern for the 2nd year in a row.

Might be a little late now, BBB. Not much left to pick from I fear.

TBCF:
Everything comes back on the GM in one way or another. Even injuries. Especially when you string multiple seasons of injury-plagued baseball together. At some point, a good GM would look at health as a factor in his decisions and bring in ballplayers and staff to ensure more players are healthy. Hey----look at a ballclub like the Bears. Injured for years. Then they finally address the issue and wind up with a healthy playoff team. You can't control every injury that takes place, but you can control the overall picture in order to minimize the potential for injury.

So, while I agree injuries are unpredictable in the short term, over the longterm a GM must have a successful plan in place to minimize their impact. And Hendry hasn't done that.

I'm still not sure the Hendry I'd want is the Hendry of 2003.... That team was just lucky to be in a really bad division. Moves like Dusty Baker, Randall Simon, Doug Glanville, etc...not exactly the moves I'd be calling for. Sure, they worked out well at times THAT YEAR (i.e. it just so happened that Simon came through with some big playoff hits.. or that Glanville hit that triple)...but those still aren't acquisitions you could be happy with at the time.

The ARam/Lofton trade worked out pretty well, but ARam wasn't all that great in 03, and the offense, contrary to popular belief, didn't do much better after that trade.

Now the Hendry of 04... that was the best Hendry (and best Cubs team of recent memory) IMHO. The Nomar trade was a thing of pure beauty. The Lee deal was a solid move. Walker was a very nice pickup, etc. Hawkins, had he been used as a setup man, was also a very good addition to the pen.

It's just a shame that team had to tank at the end of the year. :x

Sometimes it's the players not executing. 04' & 05' were huge examples of this.

Soul · January 29, 2006

Jim Hendry: how could such a promising GM go down the tubes so quickly?

Truly sad. I want the 2003 Hendry back. This other guy is a joke. :evil:

The 2004 team was clearly the best team he put together. 04' & 05' the Cubs were decimated with injuries & teams like the Astros & Cards, had very healthy pitching staffs. Health/depth will be the main determining factor on how good the Cubs will be in 06'.

Right now, there is no depth in the outfield. Maybe he still plans on addressing that before they head into Spring Training. If not, the outfield is going to be a major concern for the 2nd year in a row.

Might be a little late now, BBB. Not much left to pick from I fear.

TBCF:
Everything comes back on the GM in one way or another. Even injuries. Especially when you string multiple seasons of injury-plagued baseball together. At some point, a good GM would look at health as a factor in his decisions and bring in ballplayers and staff to ensure more players are healthy. Hey----look at a ballclub like the Bears. Injured for years. Then they finally address the issue and wind up with a healthy playoff team. You can't control every injury that takes place, but you can control the overall picture in order to minimize the potential for injury.

So, while I agree injuries are unpredictable in the short term, over the longterm a GM must have a successful plan in place to minimize their impact. And Hendry hasn't done that.
Can you site examples where JH has ignored or hasn't had a long term plan on minimizing injuries?
BTW, JH has readily admitted that LY was not successful & he didn't get the job done & wouldn't use injuries as an excuse for that. In my opinion, he has taken more ownership of the failure of the 05' Cubs than Dusty.

It's more a matter of whether people can site specific examples of how Hendry has improved the injury situation.

The totality of the DL lists, taken over the course of 2 seasons, are the proof that the Cubs have been an injury-plagued ballclub long term.

I've gone through this over & over with fellow Bear fans as well. Injury after injury, year after year........and fan after fan insisting it's just a fluke. Then the club gets serious about it, hires some people with a proven record of success, and the situation dramatically improves. I've seen no such hire (or hires) from Hendry yet.

I'm telling you. This club is not serious about player health. Not as serious as our rivals, anyway.

I haven't heard much of anything but platitudes from Hendry these days. But if you say he's taken more blame for the '05 failure than Baker I have no reason to doubt you. Injuries are a big part of those failures, though. And I'd like to hear what the concrete, detailed plan is to minimize those going forward. I don't think there is one other than just hoping they don't happen again. That's not a plan, it's a prayer.

USSoccer · January 29, 2006

It's more a matter of whether people can site specific examples of how Hendry has improved the injury situation.

The totality of the DL lists, taken over the course of 2 seasons, are the proof that the Cubs have been an injury-plagued ballclub long term.

I've gone through this over & over with fellow Bear fans as well. Injury after injury, year after year........and fan after fan insisting it's just a fluke. Then the club gets serious about it, hires some people with a proven record of success, and the situation dramatically improves. I've seen no such hire (or hires) from Hendry yet.

I'm telling you. This club is not serious about player health. Not as serious as our rivals, anyway.

I haven't heard much of anything but platitudes from Hendry these days. But if you say he's taken more blame for the '05 failure than Baker I have no reason to doubt you. Injuries are a big part of those failures, though. And I'd like to hear what the concrete, detailed plan is to minimize those going forward. I don't think there is one other than just hoping they don't happen again. That's not a plan, it's a prayer.

Are you talking about Rusty Jones? I would love for the Cubs to get his non-union baseball equivalent.

ThePenguin11 · January 29, 2006

It's more a matter of whether people can site specific examples of how Hendry has improved the injury situation.

The totality of the DL lists, taken over the course of 2 seasons, are the proof that the Cubs have been an injury-plagued ballclub long term.

I've gone through this over & over with fellow Bear fans as well. Injury after injury, year after year........and fan after fan insisting it's just a fluke. Then the club gets serious about it, hires some people with a proven record of success, and the situation dramatically improves. I've seen no such hire (or hires) from Hendry yet.

I'm telling you. This club is not serious about player health. Not as serious as our rivals, anyway.

I haven't heard much of anything but platitudes from Hendry these days. But if you say he's taken more blame for the '05 failure than Baker I have no reason to doubt you. Injuries are a big part of those failures, though. And I'd like to hear what the concrete, detailed plan is to minimize those going forward. I don't think there is one other than just hoping they don't happen again. That's not a plan, it's a prayer.

Are you talking about Rusty Jones? I would love for the Cubs to get his non-union baseball equivalent.

Mack Newton?

USSoccer · January 29, 2006

It's more a matter of whether people can site specific examples of how Hendry has improved the injury situation.

The totality of the DL lists, taken over the course of 2 seasons, are the proof that the Cubs have been an injury-plagued ballclub long term.

I've gone through this over & over with fellow Bear fans as well. Injury after injury, year after year........and fan after fan insisting it's just a fluke. Then the club gets serious about it, hires some people with a proven record of success, and the situation dramatically improves. I've seen no such hire (or hires) from Hendry yet.

I'm telling you. This club is not serious about player health. Not as serious as our rivals, anyway.

I haven't heard much of anything but platitudes from Hendry these days. But if you say he's taken more blame for the '05 failure than Baker I have no reason to doubt you. Injuries are a big part of those failures, though. And I'd like to hear what the concrete, detailed plan is to minimize those going forward. I don't think there is one other than just hoping they don't happen again. That's not a plan, it's a prayer.

Are you talking about Rusty Jones? I would love for the Cubs to get his non-union baseball equivalent.

Mack Newton?

No, his non union baseball equivalent :wink:

stitchface · January 29, 2006

It's more a matter of whether people can site specific examples of how Hendry has improved the injury situation.

The totality of the DL lists, taken over the course of 2 seasons, are the proof that the Cubs have been an injury-plagued ballclub long term.

I've gone through this over & over with fellow Bear fans as well. Injury after injury, year after year........and fan after fan insisting it's just a fluke. Then the club gets serious about it, hires some people with a proven record of success, and the situation dramatically improves. I've seen no such hire (or hires) from Hendry yet.

I'm telling you. This club is not serious about player health. Not as serious as our rivals, anyway.

I haven't heard much of anything but platitudes from Hendry these days. But if you say he's taken more blame for the '05 failure than Baker I have no reason to doubt you. Injuries are a big part of those failures, though. And I'd like to hear what the concrete, detailed plan is to minimize those going forward. I don't think there is one other than just hoping they don't happen again. That's not a plan, it's a prayer.

Are you talking about Rusty Jones? I would love for the Cubs to get his non-union baseball equivalent.

You couldn't go wrong with rusty and dusty.

YearofDaCubs · January 29, 2006

Jim Hendry: how could such a promising GM go down the tubes so quickly?

Truly sad. I want the 2003 Hendry back. This other guy is a joke. :evil:

The 2004 team was clearly the best team he put together. 04' & 05' the Cubs were decimated with injuries & teams like the Astros & Cards, had very healthy pitching staffs. Health/depth will be the main determining factor on how good the Cubs will be in 06'.

Right now, there is no depth in the outfield. Maybe he still plans on addressing that before they head into Spring Training. If not, the outfield is going to be a major concern for the 2nd year in a row.

Might be a little late now, BBB. Not much left to pick from I fear.

TBCF:
Everything comes back on the GM in one way or another. Even injuries. Especially when you string multiple seasons of injury-plagued baseball together. At some point, a good GM would look at health as a factor in his decisions and bring in ballplayers and staff to ensure more players are healthy. Hey----look at a ballclub like the Bears. Injured for years. Then they finally address the issue and wind up with a healthy playoff team. You can't control every injury that takes place, but you can control the overall picture in order to minimize the potential for injury.

So, while I agree injuries are unpredictable in the short term, over the longterm a GM must have a successful plan in place to minimize their impact. And Hendry hasn't done that.

I'm still not sure the Hendry I'd want is the Hendry of 2003.... That team was just lucky to be in a really bad division. Moves like Dusty Baker, Randall Simon, Doug Glanville, etc...not exactly the moves I'd be calling for. Sure, they worked out well at times THAT YEAR (i.e. it just so happened that Simon came through with some big playoff hits.. or that Glanville hit that triple)...but those still aren't acquisitions you could be happy with at the time.

The ARam/Lofton trade worked out pretty well, but ARam wasn't all that great in 03, and the offense, contrary to popular belief, didn't do much better after that trade.

Now the Hendry of 04... that was the best Hendry (and best Cubs team of recent memory) IMHO. The Nomar trade was a thing of pure beauty. The Lee deal was a solid move. Walker was a very nice pickup, etc. Hawkins, had he been used as a setup man, was also a very good addition to the pen.

It's just a shame that team had to tank at the end of the year. :x

I thought Hendry did an excellent job in 2004 until the end of the year he really blew it. We ALL knew we needed to make a trade for a closer when Hawkins was faultering and faultering bad at that. Instead, Hendry waits until waivers were in place to decide and trade for one. At that point we needed a closer at all costs and it really cost us. That was the beginning of the end for Hendry in my perspective.

CubfaninCA · January 29, 2006

Jim Hendry: how could such a promising GM go down the tubes so quickly?

Truly sad. I want the 2003 Hendry back. This other guy is a joke. :evil:

The 2004 team was clearly the best team he put together. 04' & 05' the Cubs were decimated with injuries & teams like the Astros & Cards, had very healthy pitching staffs. Health/depth will be the main determining factor on how good the Cubs will be in 06'.

Right now, there is no depth in the outfield. Maybe he still plans on addressing that before they head into Spring Training. If not, the outfield is going to be a major concern for the 2nd year in a row.

You think he considers Pie as OF depth?? If someone goes down in June for an extended amount of time, perhaps Pie is the guy he has in mind to fill in.

frostwyrm · January 29, 2006

So, there have been 74 seasons in the history of the game in which a player has managed 88 or more extra base hits, and in only one of those seasons has a player accrued less RBIs than Derrek Lee did last year. And there's a good reason for that one player failing to do so: not only did Alfonso Soriano manage seven less XBHs than Lee, but he also spent the entire season batting leadoff!

For players with 99 or more XBH in a single season, average of 147 RBI that same year; for players with exactly 99 XBH, 133 RBI; for players between 97 and 101 XBH, 149 RBI; for player with 88 or more XBH, 145 RBI.

Amazing facts there, Diffusion. I had been under the impression that Dusty Baker probably screwed Derrek Lee out of an MVP award, now I don't think there's any question about it. Someone should really show this stuff to Lee. Getting the team's stars angry at Dusty would be the fastest way to get rid of him.

Andy · January 29, 2006

So, there have been 74 seasons in the history of the game in which a player has managed 88 or more extra base hits, and in only one of those seasons has a player accrued less RBIs than Derrek Lee did last year. And there's a good reason for that one player failing to do so: not only did Alfonso Soriano manage seven less XBHs than Lee, but he also spent the entire season batting leadoff!

For players with 99 or more XBH in a single season, average of 147 RBI that same year; for players with exactly 99 XBH, 133 RBI; for players between 97 and 101 XBH, 149 RBI; for player with 88 or more XBH, 145 RBI.

Amazing facts there, Diffusion. I had been under the impression that Dusty Baker probably screwed Derrek Lee out of an MVP award, now I don't think there's any question about it. Someone should really show this stuff to Lee. Getting the team's stars angry at Dusty would be the fastest way to get rid of him.

I get the feeling that even if DLee had managed a bunch more RBIs, that Pujols would've gotten the award anyway. Assuming of course that the Cubs wouldn't have won, say, 5-10 more games with a normal 1-2 lineup in front of Derrek.

Diffusion · January 29, 2006

So, there have been 74 seasons in the history of the game in which a player has managed 88 or more extra base hits, and in only one of those seasons has a player accrued less RBIs than Derrek Lee did last year. And there's a good reason for that one player failing to do so: not only did Alfonso Soriano manage seven less XBHs than Lee, but he also spent the entire season batting leadoff!

For players with 99 or more XBH in a single season, average of 147 RBI that same year; for players with exactly 99 XBH, 133 RBI; for players between 97 and 101 XBH, 149 RBI; for player with 88 or more XBH, 145 RBI.

Amazing facts there, Diffusion. I had been under the impression that Dusty Baker probably screwed Derrek Lee out of an MVP award, now I don't think there's any question about it. Someone should really show this stuff to Lee. Getting the team's stars angry at Dusty would be the fastest way to get rid of him.

Let me just quickly do this properly...

All-Time (excluding Derrek Lee's 2005)

110 or more XBH, average of 173 RBI

105 or more XBH, average of 160 RBI

100 or more XBH, average of 155 RBI

95 or more XBH, average of 152 RBI

90 or more XBH, average of 145 RBI

85 or more XBH, average of 136 RBI

80 or more XBH, average of 128 RBI

75 or more XBH, average of 122 RBI

Post-1945 (excluding Derrek Lee's 2005)

105 or more XBH, average of 142 RBI

100 or more XBH. average of 141 RBI

95 or more XBH, average of 139 RBI

90 or more XBH, average of 133 RBI

85 or more XBH, average of 130 RBI

80 or more XBH, average of 123 RBI

75 or more XBH, average of 119 RBI

I think the post-1945 (an arbitrary cut-off point, but I think it serves its purpose) is more relevant.

Relative to the post-1945 average, Lee fell about 33 RBI short. And let's just say that, given that he hit .331/.480/.653 with runners in scoring position, the falling short wasn't Lee's fault.

Had Lee got those extra 33 RBI, he'd have easily led the league in RBI (as well as average), so he'd have been 6 home runs short of the Triple Crown.

DiamondMind · January 29, 2006

Getting the team's stars angry at Dusty would be the fastest way to get rid of him.

Don't take this personally, but you can't be serious. You're openly calling for clubhouse discontent as a way to win more ballgames?

David · January 29, 2006

Getting the team's stars angry at Dusty would be the fastest way to get rid of him.

Don't take this personally, but you can't be serious. You're openly calling for clubhouse discontent as a way to win more ballgames?

Perhaps, when it means taking away one of your biggest obstacles.

RynoRules · January 29, 2006

Getting the team's stars angry at Dusty would be the fastest way to get rid of him.

Don't take this personally, but you can't be serious. You're openly calling for clubhouse discontent as a way to win more ballgames?

Perhaps, when it means taking away one of your biggest obstacles.

I think that's a bad idea. Couldn't we just fire him the old fashioned way? It also would not bod well for the guy who replaces Dusty. Lets not turn this into the NBA.

Plus Lee appears to be a class guy and likely would not get involved in such nonsense.

BigbadB · January 29, 2006

So, there have been 74 seasons in the history of the game in which a player has managed 88 or more extra base hits, and in only one of those seasons has a player accrued less RBIs than Derrek Lee did last year. And there's a good reason for that one player failing to do so: not only did Alfonso Soriano manage seven less XBHs than Lee, but he also spent the entire season batting leadoff!

For players with 99 or more XBH in a single season, average of 147 RBI that same year; for players with exactly 99 XBH, 133 RBI; for players between 97 and 101 XBH, 149 RBI; for player with 88 or more XBH, 145 RBI.

Amazing facts there, Diffusion. I had been under the impression that Dusty Baker probably screwed Derrek Lee out of an MVP award, now I don't think there's any question about it. Someone should really show this stuff to Lee. Getting the team's stars angry at Dusty would be the fastest way to get rid of him.

Let me just quickly do this properly...

All-Time (excluding Derrek Lee's 2005)
110 or more XBH, average of 173 RBI
105 or more XBH, average of 160 RBI
100 or more XBH, average of 155 RBI
95 or more XBH, average of 152 RBI
90 or more XBH, average of 145 RBI
85 or more XBH, average of 136 RBI
80 or more XBH, average of 128 RBI
75 or more XBH, average of 122 RBI

Post-1945 (excluding Derrek Lee's 2005)
105 or more XBH, average of 142 RBI
100 or more XBH. average of 141 RBI
95 or more XBH, average of 139 RBI
90 or more XBH, average of 133 RBI
85 or more XBH, average of 130 RBI
80 or more XBH, average of 123 RBI
75 or more XBH, average of 119 RBI

I think the post-1945 (an arbitrary cut-off point, but I think it serves its purpose) is more relevant.

Relative to the post-1945 average, Lee fell about 33 RBI short. And let's just say that, given that he hit .331/.480/.653 with runners in scoring position, the falling short wasn't Lee's fault.

Had Lee got those extra 33 RBI, he'd have easily led the league in RBI (as well as average), so he'd have been 6 home runs short of the Triple Crown.

Outstanding work. Just further shows that this management team is clueless.

Patterson, Neifi, Lawton and Macias combined for over 350 at bats in the lead off spot and sported .263, .263, .269 and .270 OBP's respectively.

Perez, Patterson, Neifi and Enrique Wilson combined for over 360 at bats in the 2 hole, and sported .300, .220, .286 and .200 OBP's respectively.

Murton and Cedeno both have done very well in their limited role at the top of the order, yet Hendry says they aren't ready to hit the top of the order yet. Apparently, you can't hit at the top of the order until you prove you can get your OBP to dip below .300.

That might also explain why Walker and Hairston have been long time members of Dusty's doghouse. They were the two guys who could actually get on base at a decent clip, yet Hairston got more bench time than he deserved, and they can't wait to trade Walker. I don't get it.

YearofDaCubs · January 29, 2006

So, there have been 74 seasons in the history of the game in which a player has managed 88 or more extra base hits, and in only one of those seasons has a player accrued less RBIs than Derrek Lee did last year. And there's a good reason for that one player failing to do so: not only did Alfonso Soriano manage seven less XBHs than Lee, but he also spent the entire season batting leadoff!

For players with 99 or more XBH in a single season, average of 147 RBI that same year; for players with exactly 99 XBH, 133 RBI; for players between 97 and 101 XBH, 149 RBI; for player with 88 or more XBH, 145 RBI.

Amazing facts there, Diffusion. I had been under the impression that Dusty Baker probably screwed Derrek Lee out of an MVP award, now I don't think there's any question about it. Someone should really show this stuff to Lee. Getting the team's stars angry at Dusty would be the fastest way to get rid of him.

Let me just quickly do this properly...

All-Time (excluding Derrek Lee's 2005)
110 or more XBH, average of 173 RBI
105 or more XBH, average of 160 RBI
100 or more XBH, average of 155 RBI
95 or more XBH, average of 152 RBI
90 or more XBH, average of 145 RBI
85 or more XBH, average of 136 RBI
80 or more XBH, average of 128 RBI
75 or more XBH, average of 122 RBI

Post-1945 (excluding Derrek Lee's 2005)
105 or more XBH, average of 142 RBI
100 or more XBH. average of 141 RBI
95 or more XBH, average of 139 RBI
90 or more XBH, average of 133 RBI
85 or more XBH, average of 130 RBI
80 or more XBH, average of 123 RBI
75 or more XBH, average of 119 RBI

I think the post-1945 (an arbitrary cut-off point, but I think it serves its purpose) is more relevant.

Relative to the post-1945 average, Lee fell about 33 RBI short. And let's just say that, given that he hit .331/.480/.653 with runners in scoring position, the falling short wasn't Lee's fault.

Had Lee got those extra 33 RBI, he'd have easily led the league in RBI (as well as average), so he'd have been 6 home runs short of the Triple Crown.

Outstanding work. Just further shows that this management team is clueless.

Patterson, Neifi, Lawton and Macias combined for over 350 at bats in the lead off spot and sported .263, .263, .269 and .270 OBP's respectively.

Perez, Patterson, Neifi and Enrique Wilson combined for over 360 at bats in the 2 hole, and sported .300, .220, .286 and .200 OBP's respectively.

Murton and Cedeno both have done very well in their limited role at the top of the order, yet Hendry says they aren't ready to hit the top of the order yet. Apparently, you can't hit at the top of the order until you prove you can get your OBP to dip below .300.

That might also explain why Walker and Hairston have been long time members of Dusty's doghouse. They were the two guys who could actually get on base at a decent clip, yet Hairston got more bench time than he deserved, and they can't wait to trade Walker. I don't get it.

I totally get it BBB. It's called Dustyism.

Illini Iceman · January 29, 2006

So, there have been 74 seasons in the history of the game in which a player has managed 88 or more extra base hits, and in only one of those seasons has a player accrued less RBIs than Derrek Lee did last year. And there's a good reason for that one player failing to do so: not only did Alfonso Soriano manage seven less XBHs than Lee, but he also spent the entire season batting leadoff!

For players with 99 or more XBH in a single season, average of 147 RBI that same year; for players with exactly 99 XBH, 133 RBI; for players between 97 and 101 XBH, 149 RBI; for player with 88 or more XBH, 145 RBI.

Amazing facts there, Diffusion. I had been under the impression that Dusty Baker probably screwed Derrek Lee out of an MVP award, now I don't think there's any question about it. Someone should really show this stuff to Lee. Getting the team's stars angry at Dusty would be the fastest way to get rid of him.

Let me just quickly do this properly...

All-Time (excluding Derrek Lee's 2005)
110 or more XBH, average of 173 RBI
105 or more XBH, average of 160 RBI
100 or more XBH, average of 155 RBI
95 or more XBH, average of 152 RBI
90 or more XBH, average of 145 RBI
85 or more XBH, average of 136 RBI
80 or more XBH, average of 128 RBI
75 or more XBH, average of 122 RBI

Post-1945 (excluding Derrek Lee's 2005)
105 or more XBH, average of 142 RBI
100 or more XBH. average of 141 RBI
95 or more XBH, average of 139 RBI
90 or more XBH, average of 133 RBI
85 or more XBH, average of 130 RBI
80 or more XBH, average of 123 RBI
75 or more XBH, average of 119 RBI

I think the post-1945 (an arbitrary cut-off point, but I think it serves its purpose) is more relevant.

Relative to the post-1945 average, Lee fell about 33 RBI short. And let's just say that, given that he hit .331/.480/.653 with runners in scoring position, the falling short wasn't Lee's fault.

Had Lee got those extra 33 RBI, he'd have easily led the league in RBI (as well as average), so he'd have been 6 home runs short of the Triple Crown.

Outstanding work. Just further shows that this management team is clueless.

Patterson, Neifi, Lawton and Macias combined for over 350 at bats in the lead off spot and sported .263, .263, .269 and .270 OBP's respectively.

Perez, Patterson, Neifi and Enrique Wilson combined for over 360 at bats in the 2 hole, and sported .300, .220, .286 and .200 OBP's respectively.

Murton and Cedeno both have done very well in their limited role at the top of the order, yet Hendry says they aren't ready to hit the top of the order yet. Apparently, you can't hit at the top of the order until you prove you can get your OBP to dip below .300.

That might also explain why Walker and Hairston have been long time members of Dusty's doghouse. They were the two guys who could actually get on base at a decent clip, yet Hairston got more bench time than he deserved, and they can't wait to trade Walker. I don't get it.

Really?

They each got almost 400 AB's last year despite both missing significant time with injuries.

Maybe Hairston's leg injury had something to do with him getting "more bench time than he deserved". By his own admission we was not 100% so running him out there every day may not have been a good idea.

Last time I checked Dusty isn't the GM so I don't see why Hendry wanting to trade Walker means he is in "Dusty's doghouse". (BTW - that would be a great name if Dusty wanted to start a hot dog joint in Wrigleyville :lol: )

Magnetic Curses · January 29, 2006

why do i get the feeling that callers were cut off if they even mentioned OBP or plate discipline when not mentioned in conjunction with "baseball fundamentals"?

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