Grissom signs with the Cubs.........

[goonys evil twin]

It just seems that you have unreasonably high expectations for the guy at the end of the bench. That's all I meant by that.

 

29th man on a good team? Yeah, I guess if you only look at his injury riddled season last year. If you choose to look at his splits over the previous several years though, and you consider how terrible Jones is against lefties, I wouldn't come to that conclusion.

 

He would not be at the end of the bench.

 

He'll be 39 years old. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt that he'll go back to the way he once was. His age 38 season was awful, and while it may be due, in part, to being injured, that's what you expect from mediocre players as they get old. And if you look at Dusty's history there is no way he properly uses Grissom in a platoon with Jones, none. Jones is the starting RF, he'll play almost every day if healthy this year.

[Mizzou]

It just seems that you have unreasonably high expectations for the guy at the end of the bench. That's all I meant by that.

 

29th man on a good team? Yeah, I guess if you only look at his injury riddled season last year. If you choose to look at his splits over the previous several years though, and you consider how terrible Jones is against lefties, I wouldn't come to that conclusion.

 

He would not be at the end of the bench.

 

He'll be 39 years old. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt that he'll go back to the way he once was. His age 38 season was awful, and while it may be due, in part, to being injured, that's what you expect from mediocre players as they get old. And if you look at Dusty's history there is no way he properly uses Grissom in a platoon with Jones, none. Jones is the starting RF, he'll play almost every day if healthy this year.

And I'm not saying that he does deserve the assumption that last year was a fluke and he'll automatically be healthy and albe to hit lefties well again. This goes back to the fact that it's a minor league contract and he'll have to EARN a roster spot.

[RynoRules]

Just in case the above wasn't disconcerting enough, note that Grissom's last good year was in 1996:

 

http://www.baseballreference.com/g/grissma02.shtml

[CuseCubFan69]

I understand that you bring in bench guys b/c, by definition, they shouldn't be starting, and thus you should not expect oo much from them. And normally, I would not even blink at this signing. But if Dusty uses Grisson instead of Murton, I'll blow my top.

 

Make sure you take your blood pressure meds before each game then.

[Mizzou]

Just in case the above wasn't disconcerting enough, note that Grissom's last good year was in 1996:

 

http://www.baseballreference.com/g/grissma02.shtml

Yeah, and his last good year against lefties was 2004. The last time before that was 2003. The last time before that was 2002... and so on.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It just seems that you have unreasonably high expectations for the guy at the end of the bench. That's all I meant by that.

 

29th man on a good team? Yeah, I guess if you only look at his injury riddled season last year. If you choose to look at his splits over the previous several years though, and you consider how terrible Jones is against lefties, I wouldn't come to that conclusion.

 

He would not be at the end of the bench.

 

He'll be 39 years old. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt that he'll go back to the way he once was. His age 38 season was awful, and while it may be due, in part, to being injured, that's what you expect from mediocre players as they get old. And if you look at Dusty's history there is no way he properly uses Grissom in a platoon with Jones, none. Jones is the starting RF, he'll play almost every day if healthy this year.

And I'm not saying that he does deserve the assumption that last year was a fluke and he'll automatically be healthy and albe to hit lefties well again. This goes back to the fact that it's a minor league contract and he'll have to EARN a roster spot.

 

And this goes back to the fact that he's an ancient veteran who will only have to be able to stand upright to "earn" the spot.

[CubinNY]

Just in case the above wasn't disconcerting enough, note that Grissom's last good year was in 1996:

 

http://www.baseballreference.com/g/grissma02.shtml

Yeah, and his last good year against lefties was 2004. The last time before that was 2003. The last time before that was 2002... and so on.

 

Grissom is a horrible player at this point in his life. Horrible meaning really, really bad. He has no business on the Cubs.

 

I refuse to believe that this signing is anything more than a favor to him from Dusty. The signing is so he can show he can still play. He will sign with a low payroll team after the Cubs cut him.

 

If he is on the Cubs come April I will be more than shocked.

[RynoRules]

Just in case the above wasn't disconcerting enough, note that Grissom's last good year was in 1996:

 

http://www.baseballreference.com/g/grissma02.shtml

Yeah, and his last good year against lefties was 2004. The last time before that was 2003. The last time before that was 2002... and so on.

 

In posting that link I am assuming that Grissom will be seeing more than just lefties. Hope I am wrong.

 

By the way, we now have:

 

Pierre

Jacque, and

Marquis

 

We're french, and we're fried.

[CuseCubFan69]

Who said Dusty can't recruit quality free agents? You're the man Johnny B!!!

[Mizzou]

It just seems that you have unreasonably high expectations for the guy at the end of the bench. That's all I meant by that.

 

29th man on a good team? Yeah, I guess if you only look at his injury riddled season last year. If you choose to look at his splits over the previous several years though, and you consider how terrible Jones is against lefties, I wouldn't come to that conclusion.

 

He would not be at the end of the bench.

 

He'll be 39 years old. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt that he'll go back to the way he once was. His age 38 season was awful, and while it may be due, in part, to being injured, that's what you expect from mediocre players as they get old. And if you look at Dusty's history there is no way he properly uses Grissom in a platoon with Jones, none. Jones is the starting RF, he'll play almost every day if healthy this year.

And I'm not saying that he does deserve the assumption that last year was a fluke and he'll automatically be healthy and albe to hit lefties well again. This goes back to the fact that it's a minor league contract and he'll have to EARN a roster spot.

 

And this goes back to the fact that he's an ancient veteran who will only have to be able to stand upright to "earn" the spot.

:roll:

 

You're entitled to your own opinion.

[goonys evil twin]

And I'm not saying that he does deserve the assumption that last year was a fluke and he'll automatically be healthy and albe to hit lefties well again. This goes back to the fact that it's a minor league contract and he'll have to EARN a roster spot.

 

The Cubs define earn differently than many others.

 

Given the current roster, and his likely competition for the spot, he won't have to do much to be added to the 40-man and given a full paying gig.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It just seems that you have unreasonably high expectations for the guy at the end of the bench. That's all I meant by that.

 

29th man on a good team? Yeah, I guess if you only look at his injury riddled season last year. If you choose to look at his splits over the previous several years though, and you consider how terrible Jones is against lefties, I wouldn't come to that conclusion.

 

He would not be at the end of the bench.

 

He'll be 39 years old. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt that he'll go back to the way he once was. His age 38 season was awful, and while it may be due, in part, to being injured, that's what you expect from mediocre players as they get old. And if you look at Dusty's history there is no way he properly uses Grissom in a platoon with Jones, none. Jones is the starting RF, he'll play almost every day if healthy this year.

And I'm not saying that he does deserve the assumption that last year was a fluke and he'll automatically be healthy and albe to hit lefties well again. This goes back to the fact that it's a minor league contract and he'll have to EARN a roster spot.

 

And this goes back to the fact that he's an ancient veteran who will only have to be able to stand upright to "earn" the spot.

:roll:

 

You're entitled to your own opinion.

 

One that's already been proven by the previously outlined Lenny Harris situation.

[Mizzou]

And I'm not saying that he does deserve the assumption that last year was a fluke and he'll automatically be healthy and albe to hit lefties well again. This goes back to the fact that it's a minor league contract and he'll have to EARN a roster spot.

 

The Cubs define earn differently than many others.

 

Given the current roster, and his likely competition for the spot, he won't have to do much to be added to the 40-man and given a full paying gig.

Given his age, I think it's make a 25 man roster or retire. I just don't see him accepting an assignment to the minors at this stage in his career.

[CuseCubFan69]

Speaking of the 40 man, what are the Cubs at right now?

[Mizzou]

It just seems that you have unreasonably high expectations for the guy at the end of the bench. That's all I meant by that.

 

29th man on a good team? Yeah, I guess if you only look at his injury riddled season last year. If you choose to look at his splits over the previous several years though, and you consider how terrible Jones is against lefties, I wouldn't come to that conclusion.

 

He would not be at the end of the bench.

 

He'll be 39 years old. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt that he'll go back to the way he once was. His age 38 season was awful, and while it may be due, in part, to being injured, that's what you expect from mediocre players as they get old. And if you look at Dusty's history there is no way he properly uses Grissom in a platoon with Jones, none. Jones is the starting RF, he'll play almost every day if healthy this year.

And I'm not saying that he does deserve the assumption that last year was a fluke and he'll automatically be healthy and albe to hit lefties well again. This goes back to the fact that it's a minor league contract and he'll have to EARN a roster spot.

 

And this goes back to the fact that he's an ancient veteran who will only have to be able to stand upright to "earn" the spot.

:roll:

 

You're entitled to your own opinion.

 

One that's already been proven by the previously outlined Lenny Harris situation.

And one that's been disproven by the Dave Hansen, Trenidad Hubbard, Jimmy Anderson and countless others situation.

[RynoRules]

 

One that's already been proven by the previously outlined Lenny Harris situation.

 

I was thinking about that; it may be a faulty comparison. Who was Harris in competition with for the last roster spot; in other words who got cut or sent AAA in favor of Harris that year? May be Harris was the better option or it was "six of one, half-dozen of the other".

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It just seems that you have unreasonably high expectations for the guy at the end of the bench. That's all I meant by that.

 

29th man on a good team? Yeah, I guess if you only look at his injury riddled season last year. If you choose to look at his splits over the previous several years though, and you consider how terrible Jones is against lefties, I wouldn't come to that conclusion.

 

He would not be at the end of the bench.

 

He'll be 39 years old. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt that he'll go back to the way he once was. His age 38 season was awful, and while it may be due, in part, to being injured, that's what you expect from mediocre players as they get old. And if you look at Dusty's history there is no way he properly uses Grissom in a platoon with Jones, none. Jones is the starting RF, he'll play almost every day if healthy this year.

And I'm not saying that he does deserve the assumption that last year was a fluke and he'll automatically be healthy and albe to hit lefties well again. This goes back to the fact that it's a minor league contract and he'll have to EARN a roster spot.

 

And this goes back to the fact that he's an ancient veteran who will only have to be able to stand upright to "earn" the spot.

:roll:

 

You're entitled to your own opinion.

 

One that's already been proven by the previously outlined Lenny Harris situation.

And one that's been disproven by the Dave Hansen, Trenidad Hubbard, Jimmy Anderson and countless others situation.

 

Hansen got sick(and could actually hit), Hubbard was a minor leaguer to begin with, and the pitching rotation is an entirely different animal.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

One that's already been proven by the previously outlined Lenny Harris situation.

 

I was thinking about that; it may be a faulty comparison. Who was Harris in competition with for the last roster spot; in other words who got cut or sent AAA in favor of Harris that year? May be Harris was the better option or it was "six of one, half-dozen of the other".

 

Bobby Hill

 

Harris wasn't the better option.

[Mizzou]

 

One that's already been proven by the previously outlined Lenny Harris situation.

 

I was thinking about that; it may be a faulty comparison. Who was Harris in competition with for the last roster spot; in other words who got cut or sent AAA in favor of Harris that year? May be Harris was the better option or it was "six of one, half-dozen of the other".

 

I'm sure there were others and I don't know if the two were batting for the final roster spot, but I know Augie was sent down to Iowa shortly before Lenny's contract was purchased.

[BigbadB]

Bobby Hill

 

Harris wasn't the better option.

 

Bobby Hill is most similar at age 27 to Patsy Gharrity. :shock:

 

I hope that's a dude. :D

[Diffusion]

What exactly do you want out of the 25th man?

 

I want there to be, at most, just one of him.

 

And the Cubs already have Neifi Perez.

 

You know what? I completely spaced that he is left-handed. I don't know what I was thinking. Nevermind.

 

No problem. If I had to guess, I'd say that the hit by pitch has resulted in more serious problems for Greenberg than the Cubs have publicly let on: that would certainly fit with them purchasing his contract mid-season only to outright him at the end of the season, and if other teams were aware of these problems too, that'd fit with him successfully clearing waivers, which I found pretty surprising given that he looks/looked like becoming one of the game's best fourth outfielders. All of that's just a guess though, and I obviously really hope it's not the case.

[RynoRules]

Bobby Hill

 

Harris wasn't the better option.

 

Bobby Hill is most similar at age 27 to Patsy Gharrity. :shock:

 

I hope that's a dude. :D

 

I guess its 20-20 hindsite, but I am not positive that Hill is/was a head-and-shoulders better pro than Harris was in 03'. Plus, sending him back down to the minors may have allowed him to maintain his value enough such that the Ramirez-Lofton deal got done. Had he languished on the bench in Chicago, his value might have dropped. Its probably too close to call.

 

In Grissom's case, there seem to be better options.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Bobby Hill

 

Harris wasn't the better option.

 

Bobby Hill is most similar at age 27 to Patsy Gharrity. :shock:

 

I hope that's a dude. :D

 

I guess its 20-20 hindsite, but I am not positive that Hill is/was a head-and-shoulders better pro than Harris was in 03'. Plus, sending him back down to the minors may have allowed him to maintain his value enough such that the Ramirez-Lofton deal got done. Had he languished on the bench in Chicago, his value might have dropped. Its probably too close to call.

 

In Grissom's case, there seem to be better options.

 

You don't think Hill was better than this: .183/.255/.229/.484

 

That's what Harris put up in around 145 PA's. You'd be very hard pressed to find someone worse.

[RynoRules]

Bobby Hill

 

Harris wasn't the better option.

 

Bobby Hill is most similar at age 27 to Patsy Gharrity. :shock:

 

I hope that's a dude. :D

 

I guess its 20-20 hindsite, but I am not positive that Hill is/was a head-and-shoulders better pro than Harris was in 03'. Plus, sending him back down to the minors may have allowed him to maintain his value enough such that the Ramirez-Lofton deal got done. Had he languished on the bench in Chicago, his value might have dropped. Its probably too close to call.

 

In Grissom's case, there seem to be better options.

 

You don't think Hill was better than this: .183/.255/.229/.484

 

That's what Harris put up in around 145 PA's. You'd be very hard pressed to find someone worse.

 

Point taken. But how did Harris do in 2002, the year before he made the team?:

 

.305 / .355 / .411

 

Plus, he played well for FL after we released him in 03':

 

.286 .412 .286

 

Point is, I don't think anyone could have predicted that large a decline.

[Magnetic Curses]

Bobby Hill

 

Harris wasn't the better option.

 

Bobby Hill is most similar at age 27 to Patsy Gharrity. :shock:

 

I hope that's a dude. :D

 

I guess its 20-20 hindsite, but I am not positive that Hill is/was a head-and-shoulders better pro than Harris was in 03'. Plus, sending him back down to the minors may have allowed him to maintain his value enough such that the Ramirez-Lofton deal got done. Had he languished on the bench in Chicago, his value might have dropped. Its probably too close to call.

 

In Grissom's case, there seem to be better options.

 

You don't think Hill was better than this: .183/.255/.229/.484

 

That's what Harris put up in around 145 PA's. You'd be very hard pressed to find someone worse.

 

Point taken. But how did Harris do in 2002, the year before he made the team?:

 

.305 / .355 / .411

 

Plus, he played well for FL after we released him in 03':

 

.286 .412 .286

 

Point is, I don't think anyone could have predicted that large a decline.

 

well, i think you'll have to admit that it's someone's fault. either hendry for signing him or dusty for playing him everyday.

 

you can't excuse blame for both in this instance.

 

imo, they both suck.