Big Ten Basketball

[bmkhawk]

Well, I don't know where you thought I was insulting you, but if you saw it that way...I apologize.

 

Now, let's move past this spat and look forward to our two teams having a great race down the stretch.

 

Personally, I don't like Iowa's chances. Although the schedule has given them quite a break. Out of the four teams they only play once, they get/got OSU and Michigan at hom and NW and PU on the road. Big break.

 

i'd be happy with the illini getting 11-12 wins and coasting into the tourneys feeling pretty good. i think if they beat MSU at breslin they'll win the conference.

You might be right.

 

However, that Iowa/IL game in Assembly Hall will certainly be a big game for both teams. If Henderson can shut down Brown again...Iowa will certainly have a shot. That's a tall task though.

[Magnetic Curses]

Well, I don't know where you thought I was insulting you, but if you saw it that way...I apologize.

 

Now, let's move past this spat and look forward to our two teams having a great race down the stretch.

 

Personally, I don't like Iowa's chances. Although the schedule has given them quite a break. Out of the four teams they only play once, they get/got OSU and Michigan at hom and NW and PU on the road. Big break.

 

i'd be happy with the illini getting 11-12 wins and coasting into the tourneys feeling pretty good. i think if they beat MSU at breslin they'll win the conference.

You might be right.

 

However, that Iowa/IL game in Assembly Hall will certainly be a big game for both teams. If Henderson can shut down Brown again...Iowa will certainly have a shot. That's a tall task though.

 

i gotta say, i put iowa's chances at winning at the AH at about 100-1. while henderson very much has shot to shut down brown, i don't see them winning even if that happens. iowa would have to shut everyone down because illinois will likely make it very difficult for the hawkeyes to score in champaign.

[hawkeyecub]

Well, I don't know where you thought I was insulting you, but if you saw it that way...I apologize.

 

Now, let's move past this spat and look forward to our two teams having a great race down the stretch.

 

Personally, I don't like Iowa's chances. Although the schedule has given them quite a break. Out of the four teams they only play once, they get/got OSU and Michigan at home and NW and PU on the road. Big break.

 

However, if Horner can start making 3s again at a 40% clip, that will give them a big shot in the arm.

 

They did get a break with the way those 4 shook out, but not necessarily overall. We play Indiana, Illinois, MSU, Wisconsin all twice and we only get Purdue and Northwestern once this year. Wisconsin got the big break with the schedule, but they're reeling.

[hawkeyecub]

Well, I don't know where you thought I was insulting you, but if you saw it that way...I apologize.

 

Now, let's move past this spat and look forward to our two teams having a great race down the stretch.

 

Personally, I don't like Iowa's chances. Although the schedule has given them quite a break. Out of the four teams they only play once, they get/got OSU and Michigan at hom and NW and PU on the road. Big break.

 

i'd be happy with the illini getting 11-12 wins and coasting into the tourneys feeling pretty good. i think if they beat MSU at breslin they'll win the conference.

You might be right.

 

However, that Iowa/IL game in Assembly Hall will certainly be a big game for both teams. If Henderson can shut down Brown again...Iowa will certainly have a shot. That's a tall task though.

 

i gotta say, i put iowa's chances at winning at the AH at about 100-1. while henderson very much has shot to shut down brown, i don't see them winning even if that happens. iowa would have to shut everyone down because illinois will likely make it very difficult for the hawkeyes to score in champaign.

 

100-1? Don't you think that's just A LITTLE bit high?

 

We did beat you at home earlier this year. Last year we lost at Assembly Hall in overtime and the game in Carver was very close. Two years ago we only lost by 6 in Assembly Hall in a game that came down to the last minute.

This group of seniors is 2-4 against Illinois and there's only been one game that wasn't in doubt in the last 5 minutes. At the Breslin Center we just get killed, but in Assembly Hall we've been within striking distance late. The last three games between the two teams have been very close.

It will be an extremely difficult game and Iowa's most probable loss the rest of the way. But 100-1 odds? I'll take that bet.

[illiniguy]

Well, I don't know where you thought I was insulting you, but if you saw it that way...I apologize.

 

Now, let's move past this spat and look forward to our two teams having a great race down the stretch.

 

Personally, I don't like Iowa's chances. Although the schedule has given them quite a break. Out of the four teams they only play once, they get/got OSU and Michigan at hom and NW and PU on the road. Big break.

 

i'd be happy with the illini getting 11-12 wins and coasting into the tourneys feeling pretty good. i think if they beat MSU at breslin they'll win the conference.

You might be right.

 

However, that Iowa/IL game in Assembly Hall will certainly be a big game for both teams. If Henderson can shut down Brown again...Iowa will certainly have a shot. That's a tall task though.

 

i gotta say, i put iowa's chances at winning at the AH at about 100-1. while henderson very much has shot to shut down brown, i don't see them winning even if that happens. iowa would have to shut everyone down because illinois will likely make it very difficult for the hawkeyes to score in champaign.

 

 

100-1? Don't you think that's just A LITTLE bit high?

 

We did beat you at home earlier this year. Last year we lost at Assembly Hall in overtime and the game in Carver was very close. Two years ago we only lost by 6 in Assembly Hall in a game that came down to the last minute.

This group of seniors is 2-4 against Illinois and there's only been one game that wasn't in doubt in the last 5 minutes. At the Breslin Center we just get killed, but in Assembly Hall we've been within striking distance late. The last three games between the two teams have been very close.

It will be an extremely difficult game and Iowa's most probable loss the rest of the way. But 100-1 odds? I'll take that bet.

I like the fact that it is our senior night. I gotta feeling that Dee Brown will want to go out with a win.

[hawkeyecub]

I like the fact that it is our senior night. I gotta feeling that Dee Brown will want to go out with a win.

 

Dang, I didn't realize it was your senior night. That's not good news.

 

Still I think it should be a very good game like the last few have been. In my opinion that will be Illinois' toughest remaining home game.

 

This race is so tough to predict. Everyone's schedule is difficult and 12-4 will get you at least a share of the title. I've never seen the Big Ten so strong 1-7 and we probably won't see it again for quite a while. In my opinion Illinois, Iowa and MSU are in the best shape at this point. Michigan still has to go to Iowa, OSU, MSU and has OSU, Illinois and Indiana at home. Wisconsin needs to get things straightened out in a hurry and I think Indiana is in a tough spot being a game back with their remaining road games.

[illiniguy]

I like the fact that it is our senior night. I gotta feeling that Dee Brown will want to go out with a win.

 

Dang, I didn't realize it was your senior night. That's not good news.

 

Still I think it should be a very good game like the last few have been. In my opinion that will be Illinois' toughest remaining home game.

 

This race is so tough to predict. Everyone's schedule is difficult and 12-4 will get you at least a share of the title. I've never seen the Big Ten so strong 1-7 and we probably won't see it again for quite a while. In my opinion Illinois, Iowa and MSU are in the best shape at this point. Michigan still has to go to Iowa, OSU, MSU and has OSU, Illinois and Indiana at home. Wisconsin needs to get things straightened out in a hurry and I think Indiana is in a tough spot being a game back with their remaining road games.

years like this make having 11 teams and an unblalanced schedule a joke.

[gflore34]

Well, I don't know where you thought I was insulting you, but if you saw it that way...I apologize.

 

Now, let's move past this spat and look forward to our two teams having a great race down the stretch.

 

Personally, I don't like Iowa's chances. Although the schedule has given them quite a break. Out of the four teams they only play once, they get/got OSU and Michigan at hom and NW and PU on the road. Big break.

 

i'd be happy with the illini getting 11-12 wins and coasting into the tourneys feeling pretty good. i think if they beat MSU at breslin they'll win the conference.

You might be right.

 

However, that Iowa/IL game in Assembly Hall will certainly be a big game for both teams. If Henderson can shut down Brown again...Iowa will certainly have a shot. That's a tall task though.

 

i gotta say, i put iowa's chances at winning at the AH at about 100-1. while henderson very much has shot to shut down brown, i don't see them winning even if that happens. iowa would have to shut everyone down because illinois will likely make it very difficult for the hawkeyes to score in champaign.

 

100-1? Don't you think that's just A LITTLE bit high?

 

We did beat you at home earlier this year. Last year we lost at Assembly Hall in overtime and the game in Carver was very close. Two years ago we only lost by 6 in Assembly Hall in a game that came down to the last minute.

This group of seniors is 2-4 against Illinois and there's only been one game that wasn't in doubt in the last 5 minutes. At the Breslin Center we just get killed, but in Assembly Hall we've been within striking distance late. The last three games between the two teams have been very close.

It will be an extremely difficult game and Iowa's most probable loss the rest of the way. But 100-1 odds? I'll take that bet.

 

The Illini team Iowa will be playing in the Assembly Hall will a much more balanced team than the one they faced in Carver. McBride has begun to conrtibute and Randle seems to improving with every game. Randle is the X factor, Henderson may be able to contain Dee Brown but, there's no one on the Hawkeyes who can match up with Randle. I'd also take McBride' matchup with Horner.

[bmkhawk]

Haluska can match up with Randle just fine.

[gflore34]

Haluska can match up with Randle just fine.

 

Not with the Randle I watched Tuesday night in Wisconsin, Haluska' a good player but, I don't believe he's as quick or long as Randle nor can he jump with him.

[illiniguy]

Haluska can match up with Randle just fine.

Sweet then you guys should order your big ten championship shirts then. Me I think I'll get my three peat one ordered.

[bmkhawk]

Haluska can match up with Randle just fine.

 

Not with the Randle I watched Tuesday night in Wisconsin, Haluska' a good player but, I don't believe he's as quick or long as Randle nor can he jump with him.

Randle isn't even averaging 9 points a game...some of you act like he is Adam Morrissey offensively or something. Randle has a couple inches on him, sure...but Haluska is also a heck of an athlete.

 

Also, while Illinois may have improved since the game in Carver...other teams improve as well and Horner looks to be a much better player without that leg brace he was lugging around the first time the teams faced each other.

Edited February 3, 2006 by bmkhawk

[bmkhawk]

Haluska can match up with Randle just fine.

Sweet then you guys should order your big ten championship shirts then. Me I think I'll get my three peat one ordered.

What does me saying Haluska can match up with Randle have to do with me making some sort of guarantee that Iowa will win the Big 10?

[illiniguy]

Haluska can match up with Randle just fine.

 

Not with the Randle I watched Tuesday night in Wisconsin, Haluska' a good player but, I don't believe he's as quick or long as Randle nor can he jump with him.

Randle isn't even averaging 9 points a game...some of you act like he is Adam Morrissey offensively or something. Randle has a couple inches on him, sure...but Haluska is also a heck of an athlete.

You really think he is an athlete in the same sense that Brian Randle is? I mean sure if a long jump breaks out he might win, but even then I doubt it considering Randle was in a far superior state for high school athletics.

Edited February 3, 2006 by illiniguy

[illiniguy]

Haluska can match up with Randle just fine.

Sweet then you guys should order your big ten championship shirts then. Me I think I'll get my three peat one ordered.

What does me saying Haluska can match up with Randle have to do with me making some sort of guarantee that Iowa will win the Big 10?

Well It looks as if that game could be the determining one. If we both take care of business.

[hawkeyecub]

Haluska can match up with Randle just fine.

Sweet then you guys should order your big ten championship shirts then. Me I think I'll get my three peat one ordered.

 

I don't think anyone ever said that, the discussion was about individual matchups.

He said no one could match up with Randle, but Haluska matches up with him fine and Brunner can work on him also like he did last time. I know he's been improving but we certainly didn't have much problem with him last time. You don't think Haluska is as quick enough? Randle may have 2-3 inches on him, but Haluska is most definitely as quick if not quicker than Randle.

It was funny at the first game in Carver some Illinois guys parked by us and were walking up with their sons. One of them had his 7 year old kid waving a sign that said "Iowa can't handle the Randle", just taunting everyone and holding it right up to the cars stuck in traffic. The dads thought it was just hilarious. Of course Randle then went on to foul out with a total of 4 points and 2 rebounds. Watching them after the game was priceless.

 

And sorry if I'm not that impressed with McBride yet. He's been good the past two games, but he hadn't done much in the previous two months outside of one huge game against a terrible team.

Jamar Smith is scary though. He was able to get a lot of open looks against us in January but wasn't hitting them early. He's the kind of guy who can just kill a defense when you defend well for 30 seconds and then he knocks down a 3. I think he contributes much more offensively than McBride.

 

Anyways that Illinois game is still 3 weeks away. We've got a big one against Michigan tomorrow.

[bmkhawk]

Haluska can match up with Randle just fine.

 

Not with the Randle I watched Tuesday night in Wisconsin, Haluska' a good player but, I don't believe he's as quick or long as Randle nor can he jump with him.

Randle isn't even averaging 9 points a game...some of you act like he is Adam Morrissey offensively or something. Randle has a couple inches on him, sure...but Haluska is also a heck of an athlete.

You really think he is an athlete in the same sense that Brian Randle is? I mean sure if a long jump breaks out he might win, but even then I doubt it considering Randle was in a far superior state for high school athletics.

 

That is awful logic. Sure, while Illinois will produce better athletes than Iowa in general...that isn't a determinative factor when comparing two players. "Hmm...well, he came from Illinois, so he MUST be a better ahtlete than this guy from Iowa." That's not all that far from saying..."hmm...this kid is from Connecticut, so he must be smarter than this kid from Alabama...." It just doesn't follow in a discussion directly comparing two individuals.

 

Anyway, back to the issue at hand...I didn't equate the two. I said that Haluska is also a heck of an athlete. Good enough to hold his own defensively against a player like Randle...sure. Just because one is a phenomenal athlete doesn't necessarily equate into that player being tough to stop defensively. Just look at Doug Thomas or Brett Pettway for as prime examples. It takes more than pure athleticism to be a great offensive threat.

 

All that said...you guys act like I am saying Iowa will win. They most likely will not. I'm just saying...Iowa held the Illini to 48 points last game and are one of the best defensive teams in the country. They have a shot. And one better than 100-1.

[Magnetic Curses]

Well, I don't know where you thought I was insulting you, but if you saw it that way...I apologize.

 

Now, let's move past this spat and look forward to our two teams having a great race down the stretch.

 

Personally, I don't like Iowa's chances. Although the schedule has given them quite a break. Out of the four teams they only play once, they get/got OSU and Michigan at hom and NW and PU on the road. Big break.

 

i'd be happy with the illini getting 11-12 wins and coasting into the tourneys feeling pretty good. i think if they beat MSU at breslin they'll win the conference.

You might be right.

 

However, that Iowa/IL game in Assembly Hall will certainly be a big game for both teams. If Henderson can shut down Brown again...Iowa will certainly have a shot. That's a tall task though.

 

i gotta say, i put iowa's chances at winning at the AH at about 100-1. while henderson very much has shot to shut down brown, i don't see them winning even if that happens. iowa would have to shut everyone down because illinois will likely make it very difficult for the hawkeyes to score in champaign.

 

100-1? Don't you think that's just A LITTLE bit high?

 

We did beat you at home earlier this year. Last year we lost at Assembly Hall in overtime and the game in Carver was very close. Two years ago we only lost by 6 in Assembly Hall in a game that came down to the last minute.

This group of seniors is 2-4 against Illinois and there's only been one game that wasn't in doubt in the last 5 minutes. At the Breslin Center we just get killed, but in Assembly Hall we've been within striking distance late. The last three games between the two teams have been very close.

It will be an extremely difficult game and Iowa's most probable loss the rest of the way. But 100-1 odds? I'll take that bet.

 

considering that illinois hasn't lost in two years to anyone at the AH, i'd say it's a pretty good bet.

 

sure, iowa beat us at carver, but so what? it's very hard to win on the road in the BT, which is why i'm saying that the hawkeyes will most probably lose.

[illiniguy]

Haluska can match up with Randle just fine.

 

Not with the Randle I watched Tuesday night in Wisconsin, Haluska' a good player but, I don't believe he's as quick or long as Randle nor can he jump with him.

Randle isn't even averaging 9 points a game...some of you act like he is Adam Morrissey offensively or something. Randle has a couple inches on him, sure...but Haluska is also a heck of an athlete.

You really think he is an athlete in the same sense that Brian Randle is? I mean sure if a long jump breaks out he might win, but even then I doubt it considering Randle was in a far superior state for high school athletics.

 

That is awful logic. Sure, while Illinois will produce better athletes than Iowa in general...that isn't a determinative factor when comparing two players. "Hmm...well, he came from Illinois, so he MUST be a better ahtlete than this guy from Iowa." That's not all that far from saying..."hmm...this kid is from Connecticut, so he must be smarter than this kid from Alabama...." It just doesn't follow in a discussion directly comparing two individuals.

 

Anyway, back to the issue at hand...I didn't equate the two. I said that Haluska is also a heck of an athlete. Good enough to hold his own defensively against a player like Randle...sure. Just because one is a phenomenal athlete doesn't necessarily equate into that player being tough to stop defensively. Just look at Doug Thomas or Brett Pettway for as prime examples. It takes more than pure athleticism to be a great offensive threat.

 

All that said...you guys act like I am saying Iowa will win. They most likely will not. I'm just saying...Iowa held the Illini to 48 points last game and are one of the best defensive teams in the country. They have a shot. And one better than 100-1.

Nope I pretty much think you ask anyone about who the better ahtlete is between Brian Randle and Adam Haluska they will go with Brian Randle. So I guess you saying that Haluska is also a heck of an athlete is moronic. Brian Randle is a jumpshot away from being a lottery pick. I don't think Haluska is that type of athlete.

[hawkeyecub]

Haluska can match up with Randle just fine.

 

Not with the Randle I watched Tuesday night in Wisconsin, Haluska' a good player but, I don't believe he's as quick or long as Randle nor can he jump with him.

Randle isn't even averaging 9 points a game...some of you act like he is Adam Morrissey offensively or something. Randle has a couple inches on him, sure...but Haluska is also a heck of an athlete.

You really think he is an athlete in the same sense that Brian Randle is? I mean sure if a long jump breaks out he might win, but even then I doubt it considering Randle was in a far superior state for high school athletics.

 

How can you judge that? Did Randle play anything besides basketball in high school? I can't find it on his bio.

Haluska won the 100, 200, 400 and long jump as a senior. His junior year he won the 100, 200 and long jump. He also won the long jump his sophomore year.

Yes obviously Iowa isn't on Illinois' level for high school athletics, I won't argue that. But if you take a look at his times and distances you would see that he also would have done VERY well in Illinois at the same time. He's also a legit 6'5, 210 with about 7% body fat. He's much stronger than Randle.

[illiniguy]

Haluska can match up with Randle just fine.

Sweet then you guys should order your big ten championship shirts then. Me I think I'll get my three peat one ordered.

 

I don't think anyone ever said that, the discussion was about individual matchups.

He said no one could match up with Randle, but Haluska matches up with him fine and Brunner can work on him also like he did last time. I know he's been improving but we certainly didn't have much problem with him last time. You don't think Haluska is as quick enough? Randle may have 2-3 inches on him, but Haluska is most definitely as quick if not quicker than Randle.

It was funny at the first game in Carver some Illinois guys parked by us and were walking up with their sons. One of them had his 7 year old kid waving a sign that said "Iowa can't handle the Randle", just taunting everyone and holding it right up to the cars stuck in traffic. The dads thought it was just hilarious. Of course Randle then went on to foul out with a total of 4 points and 2 rebounds. Watching them after the game was priceless.

 

And sorry if I'm not that impressed with McBride yet. He's been good the past two games, but he hadn't done much in the previous two months outside of one huge game against a terrible team.

Jamar Smith is scary though. He was able to get a lot of open looks against us in January but wasn't hitting them early. He's the kind of guy who can just kill a defense when you defend well for 30 seconds and then he knocks down a 3. I think he contributes much more offensively than McBride.

 

Anyways that Illinois game is still 3 weeks away. We've got a big one against Michigan tomorrow.

Smith is very good, but McBride's ability to get into the lane and take pressure off of Dee like he has the last two games is what has made our offense so much better.

[illiniguy]

Haluska can match up with Randle just fine.

 

Not with the Randle I watched Tuesday night in Wisconsin, Haluska' a good player but, I don't believe he's as quick or long as Randle nor can he jump with him.

Randle isn't even averaging 9 points a game...some of you act like he is Adam Morrissey offensively or something. Randle has a couple inches on him, sure...but Haluska is also a heck of an athlete.

You really think he is an athlete in the same sense that Brian Randle is? I mean sure if a long jump breaks out he might win, but even then I doubt it considering Randle was in a far superior state for high school athletics.

 

How can you judge that? Did Randle play anything besides basketball in high school? I can't find it on his bio.

Haluska won the 100, 200, 400 and long jump as a senior. His junior year he won the 100, 200 and long jump. He also won the long jump his sophomore year.

Yes obviously Iowa isn't on Illinois' level for high school athletics, I won't argue that. But if you take a look at his times and distances you would see that he also would have done VERY well in Illinois at the same time. He's also a legit 6'5, 210 with about 7% body fat. He's much stronger than Randle.

You know he is much stronger based on what? I would argue that Randle is at least as strong as Adam. Look at how Randle was able to keep Tucker off of the block in the game against Wiscy. If Haluska would have been able to do that, you guys would have been in that game.

Edited February 3, 2006 by illiniguy

[Magnetic Curses]

Anyway, back to the issue at hand...I didn't equate the two. I said that Haluska is also a heck of an athlete. Good enough to hold his own defensively against a player like Randle...sure. Just because one is a phenomenal athlete doesn't necessarily equate into that player being tough to stop defensively. Just look at Doug Thomas or Brett Pettway for as prime examples. It takes more than pure athleticism to be a great offensive threat.

 

haluska's a more skilled basketball player than randle, but if randle draws him defensively, haluska's offensive game will suffer. plus, if last game is an indication of anything to come, randle will be taking the ball hard to the hole against haluska, who better have quick feet, or he'll get some early fouls.

 

All that said...you guys act like I am saying Iowa will win. They most likely will not. I'm just saying...Iowa held the Illini to 48 points last game and are one of the best defensive teams in the country. They have a shot. And one better than 100-1.

 

illinois shot terribly at carver, and part of that was iowa's defense. but i seem to remember several wide open threes each that were missed by dee, mcbride, and smith. illinois just didn't convert any open shots and then got bogged down in an ugly game. they didn't receive any help from the refs, the hawkeyes better not be expecting any special treatment at the AH.

 

in the theoretical sense, yes, iowa has a shot, but to believe that it's anything more than a long-shot would be lying to onesself.

[illiniguy]

Anyway, back to the issue at hand...I didn't equate the two. I said that Haluska is also a heck of an athlete. Good enough to hold his own defensively against a player like Randle...sure. Just because one is a phenomenal athlete doesn't necessarily equate into that player being tough to stop defensively. Just look at Doug Thomas or Brett Pettway for as prime examples. It takes more than pure athleticism to be a great offensive threat.

 

haluska's a more skilled basketball player than randle, but if randle draws him defensively, haluska's offensive game will suffer. plus, if last game is an indication of anything to come, randle will be taking the ball hard to the hole against haluska, who better have quick feet, or he'll get some early fouls.

 

All that said...you guys act like I am saying Iowa will win. They most likely will not. I'm just saying...Iowa held the Illini to 48 points last game and are one of the best defensive teams in the country. They have a shot. And one better than 100-1.

 

illinois shot terribly at carver, and part of that was iowa's defense. but i seem to remember several wide open threes each that were missed by dee, mcbride, and smith. illinois just didn't convert any open shots and then got bogged down in an ugly game. they didn't receive any help from the refs, the hawkeyes better not be expecting any special treatment at the AH.

 

in the theoretical sense, yes, iowa has a shot, but to believe that it's anything more than a long-shot would be lying to onesself.

What you mean the two uncontested layups Dee missed weren't Iowa's good defense? We missed a lot of shots, but giving credit where it was due they beat the tar out of us. I think we will return the favor at AH.

Edited February 3, 2006 by illiniguy

[Magnetic Curses]

How can you judge that? Did Randle play anything besides basketball in high school? I can't find it on his bio.

Haluska won the 100, 200, 400 and long jump as a senior. His junior year he won the 100, 200 and long jump. He also won the long jump his sophomore year.

 

randle's probably the quickest jumper in the BT, along with arguably it's best athlete. athletic-wise, i don't think there's any comparison.