12/28: Prior-Tejada Trade Rumors/ Trib: No Deal Imminent

[goonys evil twin]

I think its safe to say that Levine duped us. Shmuck!

 

:axe:

 

When the search tool is back up and running, I'm really starting to think that we need to document the number of imminent deals that Levine has discussed that didn't come through. He's not a particularly reliable source, though he does give us some fuel for the hot stove (albeit the dried cow dung variety).

 

He's generated at least two enoormous threads on this bd. since May (Dunn and Tejada). I guess what irritates me the most is he never seems to get called out by the station (or anyone else) for these inaccurate reports, and/or never seems to explain himself when they turn out to be inaccurate.

 

I wonder if something is getting lost in the translation from what he actually says to what people here write about what he says. I've seen the guy on Comcast a lot and have heard him on the radio from time to time, and while his style does not lend a lot of credibility to his words for me, I've never heard him talk the way some people report that he talks. Did he really say such and such deal was imminent, or did he say the Cubs are looking for a big bat, these are some examples of a big bat, they'd like to get something done sooner or later but nothing is imminent? Maybe the people on this board who start posts relaying what Levine reports need to pay a little closer attention to the whole story and not just look for key words like Prior, Tejada, trade.

 

The way people tell the story he's going out there saying a trade is very likely, and then he comes right back the next day and denies ever saying a trade was likely. And this story has been played out at least a half dozen times. I find it really hard to believe this is actually how it's happening every time.

 

You get a guy like Rogers in print and on the record constantly begging for the trades of Zambrano or Wood, and it's easy to have a discussion about him. He's not saying the Cubs are going to do something, he's just playing Sam Smith and saying he thinks they should do something, that's the difference between a reporter and columnist.

[Electron Blue]

I still say if Hendry is dead set on this, he should shop Prior to all twenty-nine other teams.

 

I think he could improve us much better than Tejada.

 

I don't know what teams would offer for Prior, but a team that thinks they are just an "ace" away might be willing to give us quite a package.

 

I think-and this isn't just exahustion talking-i really think the Yankees would entertain sending us ARod for Prior.

 

I agree completely. You at least have to ask them if you're Hendry.

[RynoRules]

I think its safe to say that Levine duped us. Shmuck!

 

:axe:

 

When the search tool is back up and running, I'm really starting to think that we need to document the number of imminent deals that Levine has discussed that didn't come through. He's not a particularly reliable source, though he does give us some fuel for the hot stove (albeit the dried cow dung variety).

 

He's generated at least two enoormous threads on this bd. since May (Dunn and Tejada). I guess what irritates me the most is he never seems to get called out by the station (or anyone else) for these inaccurate reports, and/or never seems to explain himself when they turn out to be inaccurate.

 

I wonder if something is getting lost in the translation from what he actually says to what people here write about what he says. I've seen the guy on Comcast a lot and have heard him on the radio from time to time, and while his style does not lend a lot of credibility to his words for me, I've never heard him talk the way some people report that he talks. Did he really say such and such deal was imminent, or did he say the Cubs are looking for a big bat, these are some examples of a big bat, they'd like to get something done sooner or later but nothing is imminent? Maybe the people on this board who start posts relaying what Levine reports need to pay a little closer attention to the whole story and not just look for key words like Prior, Tejada, trade.

 

The way people tell the story he's going out there saying a trade is very likely, and then he comes right back the next day and denies ever saying a trade was likely. And this story has been played out at least a half dozen times. I find it really hard to believe this is actually how it's happening every time.

 

You get a guy like Rogers in print and on the record constantly begging for the trades of Zambrano or Wood, and it's easy to have a discussion about him. He's not saying the Cubs are going to do something, he's just playing Sam Smith and saying he thinks they should do something, that's the difference between a reporter and columnist.

 

My problem with Levine stems mainly from his handling of the May trade rumor, where (and I heard him say it) he stated that a "major trade" was imminent in Cub-land, and would definitely happen within a day or two. He mentioned Dunn, though I do not think he said that the trade would absolutely be for him (if I implied that, then I apologize). As we know, he was dead wrong, and to the best of my knowledge, he never took responsibility for this inaccuracy. Now the accuracy of his Tejada report is in doubt.

 

In my mind, Levine stands in direct contrast to Sam Smith, who clearly qualifies the trade scenarios in his columns with disclaimers that indicate that "I would do this if I were John Paxson". Therefore, its clear that the scenarios he writes about are ones that he has envisioned or created, and that there do not come from his "sources". I appreciate that sort of caveat when I am listening and/or reading about th possibility of a transaction taking place.

[RynoRules]

He's generated at least two enoormous threads on this bd. since May (Dunn and Tejada). I guess what irritates me the most is he never seems to get called out by the station (or anyone else) for these inaccurate reports, and/or never seems to explain himself when they turn out to be inaccurate.

 

That's most sports writers though. It's that whole "standing by your story" journalism.

 

If you think about it, has there been any sports writer (Internet, radio, newspapers, etc.) that we would say was right on the money at least 80 percent of the time?

 

Probably not, and your point is well taken. But see my post above.

[Roast]

What was inaccurate?

 

 

Baseball sources said Tuesday the Cubs and Orioles have not spoken since news of the proposed deal was leaked to an Internet site last Thursday. Prior, Corey Patterson and a top prospect, believed to be left-hander Rich Hill, are thought to be part of the preliminary package, although no firm offer has been put on the table while a variety of options are discussed.

 

Levine said the offer was on the table for the orioles to accept or reject.

[JeffH]

What was inaccurate?

 

 

Baseball sources said Tuesday the Cubs and Orioles have not spoken since news of the proposed deal was leaked to an Internet site last Thursday. Prior, Corey Patterson and a top prospect, believed to be left-hander Rich Hill, are thought to be part of the preliminary package, although no firm offer has been put on the table while a variety of options are discussed.

 

Levine said the offer was on the table for the orioles to accept or reject.

 

I don't think Levine is a very reliable source, but, to be fair, who's to say that the "baseball sources" are any more accurate than he is?

[Roast]

I still say if Hendry is dead set on this, he should shop Prior to all twenty-nine other teams.

 

I think he could improve us much better than Tejada.

 

I don't know what teams would offer for Prior, but a team that thinks they are just an "ace" away might be willing to give us quite a package.

 

I think-and this isn't just exahustion talking-i really think the Yankees would entertain sending us ARod for Prior.

 

I agree completely. You at least have to ask them if you're Hendry.

 

That is probably one of only two prior deals i would even entertain

 

Prior for Arod or Prior for Vlad

 

 

Outside of that, he is way to valuable to me.

[StMarksCubs]

He's generated at least two enoormous threads on this bd. since May (Dunn and Tejada). I guess what irritates me the most is he never seems to get called out by the station (or anyone else) for these inaccurate reports, and/or never seems to explain himself when they turn out to be inaccurate.

 

That's most sports writers though. It's that whole "standing by your story" journalism.

 

If you think about it, has there been any sports writer (Internet, radio, newspapers, etc.) that we would say was right on the money at least 80 percent of the time?

 

I'd put Peter Gammons and Buster Olney in that percentile.

[Roast]

What was inaccurate?

 

 

Baseball sources said Tuesday the Cubs and Orioles have not spoken since news of the proposed deal was leaked to an Internet site last Thursday. Prior, Corey Patterson and a top prospect, believed to be left-hander Rich Hill, are thought to be part of the preliminary package, although no firm offer has been put on the table while a variety of options are discussed.

 

Levine said the offer was on the table for the orioles to accept or reject.

 

I don't think Levine is a very reliable source, but, to be fair, who's to say that the "baseball sources" are any more accurate than he is?

 

I would be inclined to agree if this only happened once. But Levine has a history of calling things to be "imminant" or sayint that there are "definative" offers on the table, only for nothing to come of these reported deals.

 

If it happens once, fine, maybe the deal broke down. Or maybe the source got it wrong. But it has happened multiple times, and there is only one common denominator in all of these happenings. Levine.

[Roast]

He's generated at least two enoormous threads on this bd. since May (Dunn and Tejada). I guess what irritates me the most is he never seems to get called out by the station (or anyone else) for these inaccurate reports, and/or never seems to explain himself when they turn out to be inaccurate.

 

That's most sports writers though. It's that whole "standing by your story" journalism.

 

If you think about it, has there been any sports writer (Internet, radio, newspapers, etc.) that we would say was right on the money at least 80 percent of the time?

 

I'd put Peter Gammons and Buster Olney in that percentile.

 

Gammons: Sorry cubs fans, Nomar is staying in boston. He is not being traded.

 

*ten minutes later*

 

Gammons: This just in, Nomar traded to the cubs as part of a 4 team deal!!

[RynoRules]

Levine is subbing for Silvy and Carmen on ESPN Radio 1000 here: just said that the Tejada - Prior scenario is now looking "more convoluted".

 

I guess he's half-way to a retraction?

 

EDIT:

 

Levine:

 

"The deal might be a little stalled."

 

"They are not dying to trade Prior."

 

"Its unclear whether they are going to be close to getting anything done..."

[Wheelimus]

A Cub's source denies a Orioles trade proposal in Wednesday morning's Herald.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=136387

 

Best...*******...News...EVER

[burnt out cubbie fan]

We would be left with a top 5 in baseball offensive infielder at all positions. Add that to a top 5 catcher, top 5 CF and we have a pretty strong lineup.

Who is this top 5 CF you speak of?

[CubfaninCA]

I think its safe to say that Levine duped us. Shmuck!

 

:axe:

 

When the search tool is back up and running, I'm really starting to think that we need to document the number of imminent deals that Levine has discussed that didn't come through. He's not a particularly reliable source, though he does give us some fuel for the hot stove (albeit the dried cow dung variety).

 

He's generated at least two enoormous threads on this bd. since May (Dunn and Tejada). I guess what irritates me the most is he never seems to get called out by the station (or anyone else) for these inaccurate reports, and/or never seems to explain himself when they turn out to be inaccurate.

 

This may be exactly what the station wants, since the bottom line is generating listeners and making money. Just too many people fall for such stories.

[ThePenguin11]

I think its safe to say that Levine duped us. Shmuck!

 

:axe:

 

When the search tool is back up and running, I'm really starting to think that we need to document the number of imminent deals that Levine has discussed that didn't come through. He's not a particularly reliable source, though he does give us some fuel for the hot stove (albeit the dried cow dung variety).

 

He's generated at least two enoormous threads on this bd. since May (Dunn and Tejada). I guess what irritates me the most is he never seems to get called out by the station (or anyone else) for these inaccurate reports, and/or never seems to explain himself when they turn out to be inaccurate.

 

This may be exactly what the station wants, since the bottom line is generating listeners and making money. Just too many people fall for such stories.

 

I'm pretty sure Silverman has called him to task on numerous occasions.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I think its safe to say that Levine duped us. Shmuck!

 

:axe:

 

When the search tool is back up and running, I'm really starting to think that we need to document the number of imminent deals that Levine has discussed that didn't come through. He's not a particularly reliable source, though he does give us some fuel for the hot stove (albeit the dried cow dung variety).

 

He's generated at least two enoormous threads on this bd. since May (Dunn and Tejada). I guess what irritates me the most is he never seems to get called out by the station (or anyone else) for these inaccurate reports, and/or never seems to explain himself when they turn out to be inaccurate.

 

This may be exactly what the station wants, since the bottom line is generating listeners and making money. Just too many people fall for such stories.

 

I'm pretty sure Silverman has called him to task on numerous occasions.

They always get into little arguements on the air.

[ltb]

Prior for Vlad

 

ewww

you wouldn't trade him for miguel cabrera but would for vlad?

[Roast]

Prior for Vlad

 

ewww

you wouldn't trade him for miguel cabrera but would for vlad?

 

ooh, forgot all about Miggy C. Add him to that list.

 

Note, they would have to include my hero chone figgins in the vlad deal.

[8-8-88]

The Cubs haven't offered Mark Prior, Corey Patterson and Rich Hill to the Orioles for Miguel Tejada and Erik Bedard, according to the Chicago Tribune and the Arlington Heights Daily Herald.

The Tribune says the two teams haven't talked this week, and while packages of players were discussed earlier this month, no firm offers were made. Dec. 28 - 2:38 pm et

 

from Rotoworld

[David]

I am actually for this trade.

 

Before I lose everyone again (since I actually like the Jones acquistion) I think we have to take a step back and realize what we would be getting.

 

We would be left with a top 5 in baseball offensive infielder at all positions. Add that to a top 5 catcher, top 5 CF and we have a pretty strong lineup. Yes we would be trading a top tier pitcher but this is something that can be recovered from, both interally and via trades.

 

Personally, I think that by offering a player of Prior's caliber it shows that Hendry is not afraid of making a big deal. Look at the Nomar trade from Boston's perspective. Their GM traded away one of the faces of the franchise and got better based on what they recieved. It is entirely plausible that even though we would be trading a valuable player, we are recieving quality in return.

 

What I would like to see is a Prior/Hill/Brownlie trade for Tejada and Bedard. Then a subsequent trade with Boston where Patterson and Cedeno would be exchanged for Clement & Graffino. That would solidify our rotation more and allow for a return of apopular player both to the fans and to the rest of the rotation.

 

This horrific trade aside, who is the top five CF? And you can't count on top 5 production at 2B since Walker is likely gone.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

The Cubs haven't offered Mark Prior, Corey Patterson and Rich Hill to the Orioles for Miguel Tejada and Erik Bedard, according to the Chicago Tribune and the Arlington Heights Daily Herald.

The Tribune says the two teams haven't talked this week, and while packages of players were discussed earlier this month, no firm offers were made. Dec. 28 - 2:38 pm et

 

from Rotoworld

You beat me to it.

[mhuber92211]

This horrific trade aside, who is the top five CF? And you can't count on top 5 production at 2B since Walker is likely gone.

 

Walker is NOT gone and there is no deal where he is rumored in recently. Therefore Walker is still a Cub and still can be considered a top 5 offensive 2B. As far as the CF comment how many CF are better then Pierre?

[CUBZ99]

This horrific trade aside, who is the top five CF? And you can't count on top 5 production at 2B since Walker is likely gone.

 

Walker is NOT gone and there is no deal where he is rumored in recently. Therefore Walker is still a Cub and still can be considered a top 5 offensive 2B. As far as the CF comment how many CF are better then Pierre?

 

I think you need to read the Walker thread in the Baseball discusion. Walker is nowhere near a top 5 offensive 2B in the NL let alone baseball. Walker was at best an average to slightly below average offensive 2b in 2005 and most agree below average defensively.

[badger1679666666]

The Cubs haven't offered Mark Prior, Corey Patterson and Rich Hill to the Orioles for Miguel Tejada and Erik Bedard, according to the Chicago Tribune and the Arlington Heights Daily Herald.

The Tribune says the two teams haven't talked this week, and while packages of players were discussed earlier this month, no firm offers were made. Dec. 28 - 2:38 pm et

 

from Rotoworld

 

This is looking more and more like Prior will be a Cub next year (knock on wood), but I won't feel relief until something concrete is said or done to make it so.

[CUBZ99]

The Cubs haven't offered Mark Prior, Corey Patterson and Rich Hill to the Orioles for Miguel Tejada and Erik Bedard, according to the Chicago Tribune and the Arlington Heights Daily Herald.

The Tribune says the two teams haven't talked this week, and while packages of players were discussed earlier this month, no firm offers were made. Dec. 28 - 2:38 pm et

 

from Rotoworld

 

This is looking more and more like Prior will be a Cub next year (knock on wood), but I won't feel relief until something concrete is said or done to make it so.

 

That would be wonderful news. I can't imagine why Hendry was trying to trade Prior in the first place.