God put this trade idea in my head

[nilodnayr]

Cubs lineup if that deal was made:

 

Pierre, CF

Youkilis, 3B

Lee, 1B

Ramirez, LF

Tejada, SS

Barrett, C

Murton, RF

Neifi!, 2B

 

Not even God can get Dusty to take Neifi out of the lineup? I'll be damned.

 

God wants JHJR to play second base.

[The Voice of Reason]

Os get: Aram, Cedeno, Novoa, decent pitching prospect from the Bosox

Os give up: Miggy, Mora

 

Evidently God isn't an Orioles fan.

[cubsfromMD]

Os get: Aram, Cedeno, Novoa, decent pitching prospect from the Bosox

Os give up: Miggy, Mora

 

Evidently God isn't an Orioles fan.

 

 

He got pissed when Brady Anderson sold his soul to the devil for 50 hr's

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Os get: Aram, Cedeno, Novoa, decent pitching prospect from the Bosox

Os give up: Miggy, Mora

 

Evidently God isn't an Orioles fan.

 

Meh, Mora will be 34 next year, and Aram > Tejada, so I don't think that's terrible for them.

[The Voice of Reason]

Os get: Aram, Cedeno, Novoa, decent pitching prospect from the Bosox

Os give up: Miggy, Mora

 

Evidently God isn't an Orioles fan.

 

Meh, Mora will be 34 next year, and Aram > Tejada, so I don't think that's terrible for them.

 

 

Aram > Tejada

 

 

Based on? Please factor defense, attitude and durability into your criteria.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Os get: Aram, Cedeno, Novoa, decent pitching prospect from the Bosox

Os give up: Miggy, Mora

 

Evidently God isn't an Orioles fan.

 

Meh, Mora will be 34 next year, and Aram > Tejada, so I don't think that's terrible for them.

 

 

Aram > Tejada

 

 

Based on? Please factor defense, attitude and durability into your criteria.

 

Tejada has an attitude factor of .76, ARam is at .82. Seriously, how do you account for attitude?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Os get: Aram, Cedeno, Novoa, decent pitching prospect from the Bosox

Os give up: Miggy, Mora

 

Evidently God isn't an Orioles fan.

 

Meh, Mora will be 34 next year, and Aram > Tejada, so I don't think that's terrible for them.

 

 

Aram > Tejada

 

 

Based on? Please factor defense, attitude and durability into your criteria.

 

Better offensive production that isn't made up by defense, similar contract, and most importantly Ramirez is several years younger.

[The Voice of Reason]

Os get: Aram, Cedeno, Novoa, decent pitching prospect from the Bosox

Os give up: Miggy, Mora

 

Evidently God isn't an Orioles fan.

 

Meh, Mora will be 34 next year, and Aram > Tejada, so I don't think that's terrible for them.

 

 

Aram > Tejada

 

 

Based on? Please factor defense, attitude and durability into your criteria.

 

Better offensive production that isn't made up by defense, similar contract, and most importantly Ramirez is several years younger.

 

 

 

Tejada career - .338/.477/.815

 

ARam career - .329/.481/.810

 

 

Offensive production similar. That said I not sure I'd rank a 27 year old 3B who averages 142 games played a year over a 30 year old SS who average 162 games played a year with a MVP trophy on his mantle and who by all accounts I've read is considered a "gamer and team leader."

 

Not a slam at ARam (I hope his conditioning "program" pays off) just kudos to Mr. Tejada.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Os get: Aram, Cedeno, Novoa, decent pitching prospect from the Bosox

Os give up: Miggy, Mora

 

Evidently God isn't an Orioles fan.

 

Meh, Mora will be 34 next year, and Aram > Tejada, so I don't think that's terrible for them.

 

 

Aram > Tejada

 

 

Based on? Please factor defense, attitude and durability into your criteria.

 

Better offensive production that isn't made up by defense, similar contract, and most importantly Ramirez is several years younger.

 

 

 

Tejada career - .338/.477/.815

 

ARam career - .329/.481/.810

 

 

Offensive production similar. That said I not sure I'd rank a 27 year old 3B who averages 142 games played a year over a 30 year old SS who average 162 games played a year with a MVP trophy on his mantle and who by all accounts I've read is considered a "gamer and team leader."

 

Not a slam at ARam (I hope his conditioning "program" pays off) just kudos to Mr. Tejada.

 

Those career numbers are very misleading since Tejada has 2 more prime seasons under his belt. Ramirez is the better offensive player. And if we are considering attitude and whatnot, wouldn't Tejada's attempts to be traded cast a negative against his character?

[The Voice of Reason]

Os get: Aram, Cedeno, Novoa, decent pitching prospect from the Bosox

Os give up: Miggy, Mora

 

Evidently God isn't an Orioles fan.

 

Meh, Mora will be 34 next year, and Aram > Tejada, so I don't think that's terrible for them.

 

 

Aram > Tejada

 

 

Based on? Please factor defense, attitude and durability into your criteria.

 

Better offensive production that isn't made up by defense, similar contract, and most importantly Ramirez is several years younger.

 

 

 

Tejada career - .338/.477/.815

 

ARam career - .329/.481/.810

 

 

Offensive production similar. That said I not sure I'd rank a 27 year old 3B who averages 142 games played a year over a 30 year old SS who average 162 games played a year with a MVP trophy on his mantle and who by all accounts I've read is considered a "gamer and team leader."

 

Not a slam at ARam (I hope his conditioning "program" pays off) just kudos to Mr. Tejada.

 

Those career numbers are very misleading since Tejada has 2 more prime seasons under his belt. Ramirez is the better offensive player.

And if we are considering attitude and what not, wouldn't Tejada's attempts to be traded cast a negative against his character?

 

No, I would never consider wanting to win a character flaw.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

Meat&PotatoesMan says "I think the last century has proved pretty conclusively that God doesn't like the Cubs".

 

---I disagree good buddy, God actually loves the Cubs. e.g. Jesus as God suffered for us. Plus, we add to the fact that no one suffers more in this world, than Cub fans. Finally, we bring in to the equation, that God's ways are different than Man's ways. Hence, because God allows suffering in this world... we will all have to suffer a little more before the Cubs win the WS.

 

Yeah, yeah I think that's right. I at least started out pretty good. Some deep theological stuff huh?

[nilodnayr]

Os get: Aram, Cedeno, Novoa, decent pitching prospect from the Bosox

Os give up: Miggy, Mora

 

Evidently God isn't an Orioles fan.

 

Meh, Mora will be 34 next year, and Aram > Tejada, so I don't think that's terrible for them.

 

 

Aram > Tejada

 

 

Based on? Please factor defense, attitude and durability into your criteria.

 

Better offensive production that isn't made up by defense, similar contract, and most importantly Ramirez is several years younger.

 

 

 

Tejada career - .338/.477/.815

 

ARam career - .329/.481/.810

 

 

Offensive production similar. That said I not sure I'd rank a 27 year old 3B who averages 142 games played a year over a 30 year old SS who average 162 games played a year with a MVP trophy on his mantle and who by all accounts I've read is considered a "gamer and team leader."

 

Not a slam at ARam (I hope his conditioning "program" pays off) just kudos to Mr. Tejada.

 

Those career numbers are very misleading since Tejada has 2 more prime seasons under his belt. Ramirez is the better offensive player.

And if we are considering attitude and what not, wouldn't Tejada's attempts to be traded cast a negative against his character?

 

No, I would never consider wanting to win a character flaw.

 

Would you consider greed? Do you think he realistically saw the O's winning when he signed with them? Do you think any player who signs with an AL east team not from Boston or NY really thinks they are going to win?

 

The last three years from ages 25-27 Ramirez has put up the following lines

272/324/465

318/373/578

302/358/568

 

The last three years from ages 27-29 Tejada has put up the following lines

278/336/472

311/360/534

304/349/515

 

Heck, ARAM has had 3 (of his 5 full years) where hes outproduced Tejadas MVP season. Two of which he significantly outproduced it (the last two years). To be fair, Miggy has outproduced his MVP season the last two years as well, but nowhere near the margin ARAM has. Considering that ARAM is locked up through his prime for less money than tejada after his prime, I dont think anyone can say that Tejada for ARAM is a lopsided deal. Plus, Mora is about to become extremely more expensive, whereas Cedeno will be extremely cheap for many years.

[WrigleyField 22]

Where's that pastor who posts on here? Maybe he can offer some insight into this trade from God.

[YearofDaCubs]

Tejada is a top notch player and would love to have him here but not at the expense of ARam. The black hole we had at 3B for all those years..Let's hope we don't go through that again in a while.

[nilodnayr]

Tejada is a top notch player and would love to have him here but not at the expense of ARam. The black hole we had at 3B for all those years..Let's hope we don't go through that again in a while.

 

As opposed to the great shortstops weve had. And what a horrible reason to not want to improve your team.

[XZero771679666304]

Tejada is a top notch player and would love to have him here but not at the expense of ARam. The black hole we had at 3B for all those years..Let's hope we don't go through that again in a while.

 

As opposed to the great shortstops weve had. And what a horrible reason to not want to improve your team.

 

Trading ARam for Tejada would not improve the team noticeably. Their offensive numbers are similar enough that it would be a wash, and the same problems would remain.

 

Acquiring Tejada is only an impact move if Lee and Aramis are still on the team.

[YearofDaCubs]

Tejada is a top notch player and would love to have him here but not at the expense of ARam. The black hole we had at 3B for all those years..Let's hope we don't go through that again in a while.

 

As opposed to the great shortstops weve had. And what a horrible reason to not want to improve your team.

 

Trading ARam for Tejada would not improve the team noticeably. Their offensive numbers are similar enough that it would be a wash, and the same problems would remain.

 

Acquiring Tejada is only an impact move if Lee and Aramis are still on the team.

Agreed.

[CoolHandLuke]

Tejada is a top notch player and would love to have him here but not at the expense of ARam. The black hole we had at 3B for all those years..Let's hope we don't go through that again in a while.

 

As opposed to the great shortstops weve had. And what a horrible reason to not want to improve your team.

 

Trading ARam for Tejada would not improve the team noticeably. Their offensive numbers are similar enough that it would be a wash, and the same problems would remain.

 

Acquiring Tejada is only an impact move if Lee and Aramis are still on the team.

 

Not if you get back Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkilis with Tejada.

[nilodnayr]

Tejada is a top notch player and would love to have him here but not at the expense of ARam. The black hole we had at 3B for all those years..Let's hope we don't go through that again in a while.

 

As opposed to the great shortstops weve had. And what a horrible reason to not want to improve your team.

 

Trading ARam for Tejada would not improve the team noticeably. Their offensive numbers are similar enough that it would be a wash, and the same problems would remain.

 

Acquiring Tejada is only an impact move if Lee and Aramis are still on the team.

 

Not if you get back Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkilis with Tejada.

 

That be a genius move!!!

[XZero771679666304]

Tejada is a top notch player and would love to have him here but not at the expense of ARam. The black hole we had at 3B for all those years..Let's hope we don't go through that again in a while.

 

As opposed to the great shortstops weve had. And what a horrible reason to not want to improve your team.

 

Trading ARam for Tejada would not improve the team noticeably. Their offensive numbers are similar enough that it would be a wash, and the same problems would remain.

 

Acquiring Tejada is only an impact move if Lee and Aramis are still on the team.

 

 

 

Not if you get back Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkilis with Tejada.

 

I'd rather keep Tejada than trade him for Manny. Ramirez is still owed 20 million per, is a lot older than Tejada or ARam, and I'm not convinced he'd be any less of a malcontent in Chicago. You might get Boston to send some cash if it were a straight up Manny-Tejada swap, but not if they include Youkilis.

[nilodnayr]

Tejada is a top notch player and would love to have him here but not at the expense of ARam. The black hole we had at 3B for all those years..Let's hope we don't go through that again in a while.

 

As opposed to the great shortstops weve had. And what a horrible reason to not want to improve your team.

 

Trading ARam for Tejada would not improve the team noticeably. Their offensive numbers are similar enough that it would be a wash, and the same problems would remain.

 

Acquiring Tejada is only an impact move if Lee and Aramis are still on the team.

 

 

 

Not if you get back Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkilis with Tejada.

 

I'd rather keep Tejada than trade him for Manny. Ramirez is still owed 20 million per, is a lot older than Tejada or ARam, and I'm not convinced he'd be any less of a malcontent in Chicago. You might get Boston to send some cash if it were a straight up Manny-Tejada swap, but not if they include Youkilis.

 

Read the first post in the thread.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

As has already been mentioned, Aramis is probably my favorite player on the Cubs...but having said that, if it nets us Tejada and M.Ramirez in this proposed multi-player trade-- then I say do it. Can't remember if Pie was part of the package (but I seem to think he was), I would hate to trade him for anyone but I would gladly do it for Tejada or Abreu...and maybe Cabrera or Willis, if they ever become available.

 

Oh, one other thing. I know how we can properly discern as to whether this trade idea really did come from God. If the trade works out for the Cubs and we end up winning the WS, then this trade proposal truly came from God but if just the opposite happens...then this idea came from "el diablo" himself. LOL!