Chad Tracy

[NoDak]

OK, I know this guy has been talked about in the past, but let's ressurect that. I have heard rumors involving Anaheim, Arizona and Boston in a 3-way deal for Ramirez. While a 3-way deal in complex enough, could JH throw his hat in the ring and see if he can maybe offer a decent prospect or two and maybe some cash (we have plenty after all) and acquire Chad Tracy to play OF. He has played OF in the past and was, apparently, not too much of a hack. Sneak in under the radar of far bigger names and nab this kid.

 

25 years old. Cheap. .305/.359/.553 including 29, 34 doubles the last couple of years. While ARZ is a hitter's park, I think that his power would project pretty well as he matures.

 

Send a couple of mid-level pitching prospects to BOS and throw a couple million dollars to ANA to help them with Ramirez's contract and throw Chad Tracy out there and we have not decimated our farm system, acquired a young OF/1B. We can allow Lee to walk if we can't sign him to a new contract and Tracy forms a bridge until Dopirak is ready and doesn't ham-string us particularly either. While he is not Bobby Abreu, we also haven't traded Mark Prior. He is also younger. High ceiling, low risk!

If it doesn't work out, we simply let him go. If it does work out, CHC nabs a solid young hitter and decent fielder on the cheap!

[MPrior]

I would be thrilled if we got Chad Tracy. I'd look into (and this has been said before) trading for Vasquez and seeing if we can pick up Tracy in the package. At the same time, I think the chances of him moving anywhere are about zero. Arizona knows they've got good, cheap production, and would be foolish to move him without getting something very good in return.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yes please.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

I think I read somewhere that Arizona was trying to sign him to an extension.

[Andy]

Arizona would have to be the dumbest people alive to trade Tracy.

 

Tracy v. Murton, who ends up being the best redhead in MLB? :D

[HoopsCubs]

OK, I know this guy has been talked about in the past, but let's ressurect that. I have heard rumors involving Anaheim, Arizona and Boston in a 3-way deal for Ramirez. While a 3-way deal in complex enough, could JH throw his hat in the ring and see if he can maybe offer a decent prospect or two and maybe some cash (we have plenty after all) and acquire Chad Tracy to play OF. He has played OF in the past and was, apparently, not too much of a hack. Sneak in under the radar of far bigger names and nab this kid.

 

25 years old. Cheap. .305/.359/.553 including 29, 34 doubles the last couple of years. While ARZ is a hitter's park, I think that his power would project pretty well as he matures.

 

Send a couple of mid-level pitching prospects to BOS and throw a couple million dollars to ANA to help them with Ramirez's contract and throw Chad Tracy out there and we have not decimated our farm system, acquired a young OF/1B. We can allow Lee to walk if we can't sign him to a new contract and Tracy forms a bridge until Dopirak is ready and doesn't ham-string us particularly either. While he is not Bobby Abreu, we also haven't traded Mark Prior. He is also younger. High ceiling, low risk!

If it doesn't work out, we simply let him go. If it does work out, CHC nabs a solid young hitter and decent fielder on the cheap!

 

Aren't they trying to deal Troy Glaus, so that they can move Tracy to 3B? You never know what a team is thinking, but I got to believe getting rid of Glaus, Luis Gonzalez or Shawn Green (limited NTC) is higher priority than dealing Tracy.

[NoDak]

I would be thrilled if we got Chad Tracy. I'd look into (and this has been said before) trading for Vasquez and seeing if we can pick up Tracy in the package. At the same time, I think the chances of him moving anywhere are about zero. Arizona knows they've got good, cheap production, and would be foolish to move him without getting something very good in return.

 

I agree with everything you said. I wouldn't mind getting Vazquez either. I know AZ knows they have a very good young player, but they are being mentioned in the deal for Ramirez. I think it would be easier to dovetail into that deal than just approach AZ straight up. They must be getting something out of that deal. Maybe we could even dove-tail it with BOS and say, "Look, you owe us a player to be named for Van Buren. AZ wants this player out of your system as well as this player from ours. If you will give them that we will give you this and then offer you YOUR PICK of players to fulfill the Van Buren trade. We will then dutifully say that "We are excited to get 'Joe Schmo' and look forward to what he can contribute to our organization as we look forward to the future. Then explain the virtues of having a 28-year-old with our Rookie league team in Boise to provide 'veteran leadership' and extol his .240/.251/.300 stat line as a possible 'bat boy' of the future"

 

Another tack is, do they have a "problem contract" that we can take off their hands? Remember, CHC has money and some decent prospects.

 

While Chad Tracy may be the extreme and not realistic, is there another player similar to him that has good (not great) ability and wouldn't be too expensive, especially if we can throw some money into the deal, rather than being behind the curve and be among the dozens of suitors for mediocre talent (like Pierre) or high priced (like Abreu)?

[mg420]

I would be thrilled if we got Chad Tracy. I'd look into (and this has been said before) trading for Vasquez and seeing if we can pick up Tracy in the package. At the same time, I think the chances of him moving anywhere are about zero. Arizona knows they've got good, cheap production, and would be foolish to move him without getting something very good in return.

 

I agree with everything you said. I wouldn't mind getting Vazquez either. I know AZ knows they have a very good young player, but they are being mentioned in the deal for Ramirez. I think it would be easier to dovetail into that deal than just approach AZ straight up. They must be getting something out of that deal. Maybe we could even dove-tail it with BOS and say, "Look, you owe us a player to be named for Van Buren. AZ wants this player out of your system as well as this player from ours. If you will give them that we will give you this and then offer you YOUR PICK of players to fulfill the Van Buren trade. We will then dutifully say that "We are excited to get 'Joe Schmo' and look forward to what he can contribute to our organization as we look forward to the future. Then explain the virtues of having a 28-year-old with our Rookie league team in Boise to provide 'veteran leadership' and extol his .240/.251/.300 stat line as a possible 'bat boy' of the future"

 

Another tack is, do they have a "problem contract" that we can take off their hands? Remember, CHC has money and some decent prospects.

 

While Chad Tracy may be the extreme and not realistic, is there another player similar to him that has good (not great) ability and wouldn't be too expensive, especially if we can throw some money into the deal, rather than being behind the curve and be among the dozens of suitors for mediocre talent (like Pierre) or high priced (like Abreu)?

i would much rather keep williams as a starter than trade for vazquez. tracy would be great in rf but is he available? it was rumored a few weeks ago that az might trade him but i dont see them doing so. hes too good, young & cheap.

[Nobody youd want to know]

I think the OF Arizona would be willing to trade would be Shawn Green, who at $8.5 mil and $9 mil for 2006 & 2007, respectively, isn't as overpriced as he seemed when he signed that massive contract with the Dodgers back in 1999. His numbers have been slipping of late, tho, and he'll turn 34 during next year's offseason.

 

He plays a mean RF, tho. I'd be OK with him in an OF of Murton/Wilkerson/Green.

[rawaction]

OK, I know this guy has been talked about in the past, but let's ressurect that. I have heard rumors involving Anaheim, Arizona and Boston in a 3-way deal for Ramirez. While a 3-way deal in complex enough, could JH throw his hat in the ring and see if he can maybe offer a decent prospect or two and maybe some cash (we have plenty after all) and acquire Chad Tracy to play OF. He has played OF in the past and was, apparently, not too much of a hack. Sneak in under the radar of far bigger names and nab this kid.

 

25 years old. Cheap. .305/.359/.553 including 29, 34 doubles the last couple of years. While ARZ is a hitter's park, I think that his power would project pretty well as he matures.

 

Send a couple of mid-level pitching prospects to BOS and throw a couple million dollars to ANA to help them with Ramirez's contract and throw Chad Tracy out there and we have not decimated our farm system, acquired a young OF/1B. We can allow Lee to walk if we can't sign him to a new contract and Tracy forms a bridge until Dopirak is ready and doesn't ham-string us particularly either. While he is not Bobby Abreu, we also haven't traded Mark Prior. He is also younger. High ceiling, low risk!

If it doesn't work out, we simply let him go. If it does work out, CHC nabs a solid young hitter and decent fielder on the cheap!

 

Aren't they trying to deal Troy Glaus, so that they can move Tracy to 3B? You never know what a team is thinking, but I got to believe getting rid of Glaus, Luis Gonzalez or Shawn Green (limited NTC) is higher priority than dealing Tracy.

 

Isn't Tracy a horrible fielder at 3B? I thought that's why they moved him in the first place? Yeah, 25 errors in 04 at the hot corner.

[biittner77]

I think the OF Arizona would be willing to trade would be Shawn Green, who at $8.5 mil and $9 mil for 2006 & 2007, respectively, isn't as overpriced as he seemed when he signed that massive contract with the Dodgers back in 1999. His numbers have been slipping of late, tho, and he'll turn 34 during next year's offseason.

 

He plays a mean RF, tho. I'd be OK with him in an OF of Murton/Wilkerson/Green.

 

If the Cubs will take on salary ina a Vasquez and Green to the Cubs deal that reduce the pricetag in terms of talent or so it would seem. It would add a legit LH middle of the order bat at a position of need and that extra starter that Hendry has said he has wanted from day 1. What does AZ need? Seems like pitching would be their #1 priority.

 

:santa:

[NoDak]

I think the OF Arizona would be willing to trade would be Shawn Green, who at $8.5 mil and $9 mil for 2006 & 2007, respectively, isn't as overpriced as he seemed when he signed that massive contract with the Dodgers back in 1999. His numbers have been slipping of late, tho, and he'll turn 34 during next year's offseason.

 

He plays a mean RF, tho. I'd be OK with him in an OF of Murton/Wilkerson/Green.

 

If the Cubs will take on salary ina a Vasquez and Green to the Cubs deal that reduce the pricetag in terms of talent or so it would seem. It would add a legit LH middle of the order bat at a position of need and that extra starter that Hendry has said he has wanted from day 1. What does AZ need? Seems like pitching would be their #1 priority.

 

:santa:

 

OK, could we swing this deal: Trade them Maddux 1-year remaining on contract and agree to take on Vazquez. Maybe adda couple of prospects to the deal and see if we could get Tracy (my real goal).

 

Why woudl ARI do this?

They drop two albatross contracts for the next two years for one albatross contract for one year, then add a couple of decent prospects (like Welly/Koronka) and you have justification for dealing Tracy and money to spend.

 

Why would CHC do this?

They drop Maddux contract for a guy who has struggled the last two years but has had brilliant performances in the past and his K/BB ratio is roughly the same and his HR rate hasn't changed enormosly. My guess is he has been unlucky. Besides, CHC has money to spend and getting Tracy would help the offense. Tracy would help the offense without much cost to the defense. If we took on Green/Vazquez/Tracy then I think we could get them to pay PART of the salaries. I think Hendry would have the imagination to do this kind of deal (it is roughly similar to the deal he did with LA trading 2 bad years of Hundley's contract for what was thought to be 1 bad year of 2 contracts (but Grudz/Karros screwed up and actually played well).

 

Now, in fairness we need to point this out:

Why wouldn't AZ do this: Who needs a salary dump when there are no good FA out there to sign? Besides, trading the best offensive player on the team who is also young and plenty of potential is hardly a way to build your organization. Even if they get good prospects out of the deal, it would be hard to sell to fans. And Maddux ain't the Maddux of 3-4 years ago while Vazquez still has upside.

 

Why wouldn't CHC do this: If they have to take on Green and Tracy Tracy will warble away on the bench getting sporadic playing time and it also hamstrings them going into 07 FA season.

 

I would still explore the deal and see what AZ wants. Hendry has shown an acumen for acquiring solid talent with little or no cost.