Jim Bowden: Can Jaxon Wiggins Land The Cubs Eugenio Suarez?

21 hours ago, mul21 said:

Lou Brock probably shouldn't be either even if you give him a little extra for baserunning that WAR can't really account for back that far.

Why shouldn’t Brock be a hall of famer? He was a great player.

4 minutes ago, CubfanBen said:

Why shouldn’t Brock be a hall of famer? He was a great player.

HOF barrier is around 60 WAR.  He's at 43.5 and even if you tack on 5 for things that weren't accounted for back then with regard to baserunning, he's still well short.  Hall of very good, no doubt, but not really HOF worthy.

Brock accumulated enough. They're never gonna keep out a guy with 3000 hits. Unless there's some of kind of weird extenuating circumstance a la Pete Rose or A-Rod.

7 minutes ago, mul21 said:

HOF barrier is around 60 WAR.  He's at 43.5 and even if you tack on 5 for things that weren't accounted for back then with regard to baserunning, he's still well short.  Hall of very good, no doubt, but not really HOF worthy.

If Harold Baines is in the HOF, Brock certainly should be. He, at least, was best in baseball at one thing for a long stretch.  It is not true that the HOF barrier is 60. I agree, most are k we that, but many are not. Dave Parker just went in. He isn’t at 60. As mentioned before, Baines too.

14 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

If Harold Baines is in the HOF, Brock certainly should be.

If we start using Harold Baines as the barometer for HOF worthiness they’re going to have to build a few new wings in Cooperstown. He has the same career bWAR as Russell Martin lol. 

On 7/28/2025 at 11:06 AM, Layoutman said:

A rental is a rental...NO DBacks. 
You don't move that caliber a prospect for 50+/- games of Eugieno Suarez. 

 

Can I like this comment twice?! 
 

totally agree 👍 Matt Shaw, Wiggins, among others are your future building blocks. 50-70 games (pending playoff games), quite frankly is not worth blowing up your farm system. They need to stick to finding some solid arms for the second half push IMO

When Brock played and elected to the Hall, the things he did well were valued way more than they are now. His poor defense was not held against him that much. Plus he was a World Series hero.