CuseCubFan69

I agree unless Hendry is determined to get another second baseman.

That's my most important requirement in any and all Cub acquisitions. Someone get Hendry on the phone. :D Losing Barrett must have hurt the ladies and Hendry has to make up for it!

Is Donaldson a catcher that will stay there or be moved like Fox?

What bothers me is that the players are the ones being thrown under the bus. Yeah, many of them did cheat but the GM's and managers knew in many cases and I don't see why no one is mentioning this. I wonder how LaRussa is skating free in all of this.

Is it possible the Cubs might move Wood to a starting spot if they acquired Nathan? Have you guys heard anything that has been said about him moving to the rotation or not?

I can tell you that the media in NY is ripping him to shreds. Local tv news is always the most tame, but they talked about it. Radio guys are shredding him. All the blowhards who blew hard on Bonds are blowing just as hard on Roger. So far. Good. I admittedly haven't heard much because I'm busy at work- but on the way in this morning Peter Gammons, in the portion I heard, is very slow to judgemnent, almost blowing off Clemens' culpability. But, I didn't hear the whole thing either. It would be one thing if Peter was regularly ripping Bonds, but then went soft on Roger. But Peter has been among the more levelheaded in this entire debate. Cuse, Pettite has taken a back seat, but he's being talked about. Mets fans are sending all sorts of "we got cheated in 2000" emails about all the Yankee pitchers on that team that juiced. It's going to hang around awhile. I'm sure they'll be creative as heck as well! When Clemens threw that piece of broken bat at Piazza has got to be used in some way or another.

What player do you think 2 of those guys could get the Cubs that could help the team get better? I'm not talking about trading just pitchers, but I think the guys that have been mentioned (Burnett, Greinke, Blanton) can all be had for any combination of Gallagher, Marshall, Hart, Veal, Holliman, Patterson, Murton, Cedeno, Petrick, etc.....all of whom are probably ML ready, but have not significant place on the Cubs roster. I see as those 3 you mentioned would definitely help the Cubs as well. I'm still a little uncomfortable with a Soto, Pie and Theriot 6,7, and 8 unless Hendry puts Murton in right and Fukedome in CF. I don't want to make the thread go off tangent but I think these holes should be fixed first. I think Soto will be fine but counting on him being a 280/340 15 Hr guy may be too much and if the other 2 fail also, it might force Hendry to make a poor decision and this is why I'd rather have him make it now.

What player do you think 2 of those guys could get the Cubs that could help the team get better?

I can tell you that the media in NY is ripping him to shreds. Local tv news is always the most tame, but they talked about it. Radio guys are shredding him. All the blowhards who blew hard on Bonds are blowing just as hard on Roger. So far. Do you think that they would have been this hard on him if he was coming back to the Yanks? Is Pettite getting ripped as well there?

You guys are right and I'm wrong. What more is there to say?

I have you to help me do it. And I'm not ashamed to ask for help. Is that wrong? do you have multiple personalities or something? you just said... and i simply pointed to where you said... ...which appears to be an instance when you said you "wouldn't understand the numbers." Great points abuck.

or what'smyLD%aftergivingup4runs? Haha ....cute one funny guy!

I have you to help me do it. And I'm not ashamed to ask for help. Is that wrong?

Yeah, I thought he was in his lower 30's.

isnt this the arguement against a "choke artist"? and in Cuse's defense, he has prefaced his statements as "opinions" Mods, we REALLY need to weeding these threads. they allll are getting seriously off-topic. they are becoming the war of stat-men vs cuse and his crew. seriously, comon. This is so annoying. If you don't want to get involved in a debate, stay out of it or talk about something else. Backseat modding is about the lamest thing you can do. This, however, is extremely insightful: Look above you, he doesn't know what's a high LD% and what's a low one. Someone could dig up all that data, post it, and he'd say "is that good or bad?" He has a terrible argument and he knows it. When your whole argument boils down to "give me some numbers I don't understand and then tell me what they mean", you're fighting a losing battle. When did I say I wouldn't understand the numbers? Oh yeah, you said that not me, to make an incorrect point.

I have you to help me do it.

Are you a high school baseball coach? Yes.

You're wrong. It means he's a piss poor ninny who should be dealt immediately. What kind of pansy has a higher ERA with guys on base? I'll tell you what kind, a documented steroid abuser. Funny how you revert to this type of a point when you can't prove me wrong. 'Cuse, it's going to be impossible to prove you wrong, because if he's getting rocked, his numbers will suck because he's getting rocked. You've constructed a circular argument. No I haven't USS. What I'm asking is what numbers prove when he is struggling how he reacts to that. Prior has had success his whole life and is used to things going his way pitching wise. My point is when he doesn't have that success, how he reacted or performed when he was failing. I've worked with many pitchers in my life and I've seen and actually been there when some of them that when things are going well, they're fine. But, when they get hit hard their confidence changes. It's my opinion that Prior was like this. Now, I've had kids that were just as good but wouldn't give an inch at any time. Again, it's my opinion. You've created a hypothesis which has it's basis in a person's psychological reaction to failure. However, there isn't going to be a metric to show you how he "handles failure". That's a perception. What numbers will show you is that if a guy is having a bad game, he's going to have crappy numbers. Which doesn't prove that he can't "handle failure". It only proves that he experiences failure. The closest thing you could get to what you're trying to argue is his record after a disaster start. I'm sure someone here would have the time to dig that up, but I'd wager it's probably pretty good, and even then, it wouldn't prove squat, because wins are a lousy metric as well. You could look at his peripherals after a disaster start, and that might give you insight, but probably not, because the hangover from sucking isn't going to last 4 or 5 days. You're asking for proof of something that cannot be quantified effectively. It's like arguing about the existence of unicorns. Wins have nothing to do with what I'm asking and I never mentioned them. Can I ask you a question. Does the game of baseball involve a mental aspect?

Probably not, but why does that matter? Are you saying he can't keep a team "in the game" or pitch to his run support? No. What I'm saying is the focus after failing.

Honestly saying numbers tell the whole story just boggles my mind. I understand the points that these guys are making but they simply do not tell the whole story.

You're wrong. It means he's a piss poor ninny who should be dealt immediately. What kind of pansy has a higher ERA with guys on base? I'll tell you what kind, a documented steroid abuser. Funny how you revert to this type of a point when you can't prove me wrong. 'Cuse, it's going to be impossible to prove you wrong, because if he's getting rocked, his numbers will suck because he's getting rocked. You've constructed a circular argument. No I haven't USS. What I'm asking is what numbers prove when he is struggling how he reacts to that. Prior has had success his whole life and is used to things going his way pitching wise. My point is when he doesn't have that success, how he reacted or performed when he was failing. I've worked with many pitchers in my life and I've seen and actually been there when some of them that when things are going well, they're fine. But, when they get hit hard their confidence changes. It's my opinion that Prior was like this. Now, I've had kids that were just as good but wouldn't give an inch at any time. Again, it's my opinion.

Again, I use both but as I said, you're narrow minded and just see one thing. Honestly, I could care less what you think. Seriously, how can you possibly believe that thinking you see Prior fade away mentally when he is being hit can outweigh the facts that Prior has done fairly well when he gets into situations when guys get on? Show me your numbers after he gives up 4 or more runs...his line drive % numbers. Do you not see how ridiculous that request is? If a guy gives up 4 runs, he's having a bad game. If he's having a bad game, he probably doesn't have his best stuff, and when he doesn't have his best stuff, he's going to get hit more. Do you think all those times that Roger Clemens got absolutely rocked, and it's happened quite a few times over the years, it was because he was a mental midget? Is there a single pitcher in the game who hasn't had bad games where they give up lots of hits and 4+ runs? So show me the numbers that say he had bad stuff then?

You're wrong. It means he's a piss poor ninny who should be dealt immediately. What kind of pansy has a higher ERA with guys on base? I'll tell you what kind, a documented steroid abuser. Funny how you revert to this type of a point when you can't prove me wrong. Prove you wrong? It was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen written on here, what is there to prove? A guy gets hit harder in games in which he doesn't perform well. Oh geez, I think we're onto something here. So I was right then.

No one has LD% by split. And I have no idea why you'd want that anyway. To prove that once he starts to get hit, he gets lit up. I thought numbers told the whole story? That's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's like asking for a team's record when they score fewer runs than the other team. No it isn't. I was asked to show numerically why I thought he struggled when others hit him hard and that's simply what I'm asking for. Yes it is. If Prior started to get hit and then was able to stop the bleeding, it wouldn't show up there, because he wouldn't have given up 4+ runs. So there are no numbers that tell us once a pitcher gives up a certain amount of runs, how well or poorly he pitches?

You're wrong. It means he's a piss poor ninny who should be dealt immediately. What kind of pansy has a higher ERA with guys on base? I'll tell you what kind, a documented steroid abuser. Funny how you revert to this type of a point when you can't prove me wrong.