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And a certain RB getting hurt.

Never played it regularly, but has appeared in 48 career games there. We would not like Kielty in CF. I'm fairly certain the Cubs wouldn't consider him as an option there. A Murton type fielder or worse? You do realize that Murton was ranked as above average by several different defensive metrics, right? It surprises a lot of people (including me) because he looks awkward out there sometimes, but he has a lot more range than he usually gets credit for. Anyway, all the metrics I've seen rank Kielty lower than Murton as a left fielder. I know he's decent but I don't know how he'd be in center. I had a kid last year that played a great RF. My starting CF got hurt so I slid the RF over and he could not read the ball at all. I honestly thought he could handle it but things broke mechanically for some reason.

ah, so they would get to Mike Hart quickly before they bounce off of him. that's it. I'm done. you sir, are absurd. I'm being realistic but you have the top 3 teams in the Big 10 as good as the NFL. I haven't seen or read a thing from you about an honest evaluation of the top 3 Big 10 teams other than they are the best or better than the Big East. OK I'll try: Ohio St -- you said they were the best team in the country and almost everyone agrees. So I think I'll leave it at that. Michigan -- only loss was to best team in the country (are they now the 2nd best? I don't know, but rankings have them top 3). Beaten several good teams. Wisconsin -- didn't have to play OSU, but only loss was to Michigan. Clearly the worst of the three teams, because they didn't really have to play anyone that was a legit good team other than Michigan. I guess it's who you've beaten vs. who you lost to, right? We can speculate, but that's all we have to go on. Louisville, Rutgers, and WV haven't really played any good or special teams except each other, and they've each lost at least one of those games. So maybe Louisville could beat Wisconsin because they've played 2 good teams whereas Wisconsin has only played 1. It would be a good game (I mean, it's still #6 vs. #7) but I just think that the Big Ten is a better conference. 8 out of the 11 teams have a loss from playing the best team in the country. I just give the Big 10 the benefit of the doubt here. This is why we need a playoff. There is just way too much speculation IMO.

How would you know, Vance? Platoon was released in 1986. I had many dating years between then and the current Mrs. Let me reiterate...not a good date movie. My wife hated that movie.

Mediocre teams don't go 10-2 Bosie State? Wisconsin? Anyway, this is a silly argument. If you think USC is a great team more power to you. We won't get to see Ohio State embarass them so you can keep believing it. However, we might get to see them play Michigan. USC pounded - pounded - two good teams in ND and Arkansas and another pretty decent one in Cal. They have more wins over ranked teams than anyone in the nation. They played bad twice this year and got burned for it. But they're a damn good team. Ironically their own conference bit them and not their tough out of conference schedule.

ah, so they would get to Mike Hart quickly before they bounce off of him. that's it. I'm done. you sir, are absurd. I'm being realistic but you have the top 3 teams in the Big 10 as good as the NFL. I haven't seen or read a thing from you about an honest evaluation of the top 3 Big 10 teams other than they are the best or better than the Big East. I dont really understand why that cant be an honest evaluation? I suppose I meant more of a breakdown of the teams themselves. Congrats on the win today by the way.

ah, so they would get to Mike Hart quickly before they bounce off of him. that's it. I'm done. you sir, are absurd. I'm being realistic but you have the top 3 teams in the Big 10 as good as the NFL. I haven't seen or read a thing from you about an honest evaluation of the top 3 Big 10 teams other than they are the best or better than the Big East.

Never played it regularly, but has appeared in 48 career games there. We would not like Kielty in CF. I'm fairly certain the Cubs wouldn't consider him as an option there. A Murton type fielder or worse?

I saw a debate about platoons earlier and I was curious what everyone thought about them. I would like to see 8 all-stars start but that just isn't possible with so many teams and the Yankees around. 2 things I like about platoons are maximize production and it gives bench players more Playing time. I like the bench guys getting some swings to stay in somewhat of a groove and if it's a good platoon you have a good player off the bench too.

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true. great. now you too. mmmk. no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot. why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board. I watch a lot of college football and I used to scout teams for the Varsity HS team and look for weaknesses and strengths. Honestly, if I didn't feel so strongly about the subject I wouldn't debate it so hard. 2 years ago I would agree with you. Last year the Big East was a competitive conference but not one of the top ones. This year they can compete with any conference in the country bar none but reputations preceed actual production in college football. then I guess the operative words are "used to." your powers of observation must have taken a hit over the years. I just watched WVU-Rutgers and I watched parts of Rutgers-Louisville and I saw Rutgers-Cincinnati. the level of play is far below that of the power conferences. those 200 pound linebackers for WVU trying to stop the Rutgers running back in a goal line situation is all you really need to know about the conference. I never and let me say never said WV had a good defense and I also said at the beginning of the year that Louisville was the Best team in the big East. Opps, sorry, using more facts. You just keep on the rambling assumptions....carry on. your use of facts is selective and often misleading, and always circular, so your attempt at sarcasm falls a little short. in fact, you really don't give any "facts" here other than what you claim you have said. I would love it if regurgitating things I said previously was all I needed to do to persuade. I guess it got us into a war in Iraq, but it's not going to persuade anyone here. so you admit the second best team in the conference is incomplete and these teams don't play at the same level as the power conferences, but for some flimsy reason are going to keep up this nonsense that the Big East is just as good as the power conferences? whatever man. I think this post proves your previous post as a bunch of BS. you don't really believe what you are saying or at a minimum know on a not too deep level that you are in fact full of crap. What I said is WV is capable of beating Ohio St or Michigan. Defensively they tackle too high and get burned by doing so. But, they have a lot of speed offensively and that gives teams a lot of problems for matchups.

Brennen wanted to go to Syracuse but they turned him down because he had past problems and believe me, we needed a QB.

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true. great. now you too. mmmk. no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot. why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board. Yeah, I don't get that either. Ohio St. and Michigan are both really good, Wisconsin is good (that's three BCS teams right there). Are South Florida, Cincy, and Pittsburgh better than Penn St., Purdue, and Minnesota? I don't think so. I take it you win every bet you make since you always know what teams are better? God, UConn which finished in last....last beat Indiana in Indiana. Talk about not getting it. I don't quite understand what you're getting at -- that UConn is a better overall team than Indiana? UConn lost to Syracuse (and I'm sure you're well aware of that team's talents). And Syracuse finished in last, btw. After Ohio St, Michigan, and Wisconsin, I don't think the Big 10 is "crap". The Big East after Louisville, Rutgers, and West Virginia may not necessarily be crap, but I think that the Big 10 has much stronger teams. I mean, I think Wisconsin could beat anyone in the Big East, and they're the Big 10's 3rd team. (You could look at rankings alone) Syracuse and UConn tied for last after UConn lost to Louisville. I think Louisville, Rutgers or WV could beat anyone in the Big 10. I admit Ohio State is the best team right now but I'd like to see them play.

I guess I'm confused on how you think Miami and Kansas St are horrible teams? They have amoung the top 15 records over the last 15 years. I just told you that I am not going to let you get away with selective facts. KState 05 5-6 04 4-7 03 11-4 02 11-2 and in which of those years was KState scheduled? Schedules are made years in advance. Whoops sorry, I was using facts again. nice try, but I didn't ask you how things usually are done. I asked you when this game was actually scheduled. two years ago Louisville was scheduled to play Memphis, UAB, Southern Miss, and Houston this year, but it didn't exactly happen now did it. doesn't really matter though. play some teams that are good the year that you actually play them, and maybe you'll get some respect. I'm still confused on who Wisconsin scheduled to get respect?

I forgot how they pick the teams again. Do they pick by bowls 2 at a time or does each bowl get one pick? The Rose will get the 1st pick since they lost OSU. They'll pick USC. If Florida goes, the Sugar picks next, and they'd take ND (we assume again). If not, then no one has a "special" pick. The Sugar has the 1st at-large pick because it rotates each year. They would take ND (if Florida does not go, to set up the ND/Florida matchup), or they would take LSU (if Florida goes in which case they'd already have picked ND, setting up an ND/LSU matchup). The Rose has the 2nd pick, and would take Michigan. After that it's much less confusing. The Orange would pick Louisville to face Wake (who is locked into the Orange as ACC champ). The Fiesta has the last pick and will take Boise State to play Oklahoma (who is locked into the Fiesta as Big 12 champs). Hope I didn't make it too confusing. Edit to fix something, I think. No that makes sense, thanks. I didn't realize that the Orange was tied to the ACC or the Fiesta to the Big 12.

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true. great. now you too. mmmk. no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot. why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board. I watch a lot of college football and I used to scout teams for the Varsity HS team and look for weaknesses and strengths. Honestly, if I didn't feel so strongly about the subject I wouldn't debate it so hard. 2 years ago I would agree with you. Last year the Big East was a competitive conference but not one of the top ones. This year they can compete with any conference in the country bar none but reputations preceed actual production in college football. then I guess the operative words are "used to." your powers of observation must have taken a hit over the years. I just watched WVU-Rutgers and I watched parts of Rutgers-Louisville and I saw Rutgers-Cincinnati. the level of play is far below that of the power conferences. those 200 pound linebackers for WVU trying to stop the Rutgers running back in a goal line situation is all you really need to know about the conference. I never and let me say never said WV had a good defense and I also said at the beginning of the year that Louisville was the Best team in the big East. Opps, sorry, using more facts. You just keep on the rambling assumptions....carry on.

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true. great. now you too. mmmk. no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot. why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board. Yeah, I don't get that either. Ohio St. and Michigan are both really good, Wisconsin is good (that's three BCS teams right there). Are South Florida, Cincy, and Pittsburgh better than Penn St., Purdue, and Minnesota? I don't think so. I take it you win every bet you make since you always know what teams are better? God, UConn which finished in last....last beat Indiana in Indiana. Talk about not getting it.

I forgot how they pick the teams again. Do they pick by bowls 2 at a time or does each bowl get one pick?

I guess I'm confused on how you think Miami and Kansas St are horrible teams? They have amoung the top 15 records over the last 15 years. I just told you that I am not going to let you get away with selective facts. KState 05 5-6 04 4-7 03 11-4 02 11-2 and in which of those years was KState scheduled? Schedules are made years in advance. Whoops sorry, I was using facts again.

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true. great. now you too. mmmk. no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot. why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board. I watch a lot of college football and I used to scout teams for the Varsity HS team and look for weaknesses and strengths. Honestly, if I didn't feel so strongly about the subject I wouldn't debate it so hard. 2 years ago I would agree with you. Last year the Big East was a competitive conference but not one of the top ones. This year they can compete with any conference in the country bar none but reputations preceed actual production in college football.

Common sense would say that Bonds would go DH somewhere and an AL team would take advatage of that. What do the Yanks have for DH? Yeah I agree, that's what Bonds will try to do. He doesn't want to take the field anymore, just "break" the record. I'm really curious on how his knees really are. How did he hurt them in the first place? Nobody knows. It's all speculation, everything from "he works out so hard" to "he banged them against a locker"....... The only thing we really know is, he had the cartilege cleaned out and that didn't cure it, so he had a 2nd, separate procedure. Pretty serious stuff. I've banged my knee on a few things; never needed surgery. I think you're right. He wants to DH in the worst way. That's one of the things that I find very suspicious, this knee injury thing. Do you think his ego is too big to DH? I hope it is, at least bigger than his quest to the HR title. I think he just wants to stick it to everyone by breaking the record. If he thinks his best shot is by DH'ing to save his knees the trouble, I think he'll try to go that route. Probably. This is going to be one interesting story following this Bonds fellow.

I guess I'm confused on how you think Miami and Kansas St are horrible teams? They have amoung the top 15 records over the last 15 years.

How did Georgia do against WV last year, I forgot? they edged them by 3. damn, you're righ Cuse. I take it all back, the Big East is awesome. if only Georgia wasn't the third or fourth best team in the SEC last year that happened to get into a BCS bowl, you might have a point. how'd WVU do the year before? oh, they got crushed. and the year before? oh, they got crushed. and the year before? oh, didn't make a bowl game. and the year before? oh, didn't make a bowl game. and the year before? hey, a big win against Ole Miss. the year before? oh, didn't make a bowl game. nice feather in your cap with that Georgia win, buy I have too much time on my hand for your selective facts to have much impact in this debate. We'll see this year in the bowls my friend.

Common sense would say that Bonds would go DH somewhere and an AL team would take advatage of that. What do the Yanks have for DH? Yeah I agree, that's what Bonds will try to do. He doesn't want to take the field anymore, just "break" the record. I'm really curious on how his knees really are. How did he hurt them in the first place? Nobody knows. It's all speculation, everything from "he works out so hard" to "he banged them against a locker"....... The only thing we really know is, he had the cartilege cleaned out and that didn't cure it, so he had a 2nd, separate procedure. Pretty serious stuff. I've banged my knee on a few things; never needed surgery. I think you're right. He wants to DH in the worst way. That's one of the things that I find very suspicious, this knee injury thing. Do you think his ego is too big to DH? I hope it is, at least bigger than his quest to the HR title.

that's because a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap. and b. he just made up this point. there were few games between the two conferences, and their result says nothing about the two conferences. pick your winners Cubs OSU-Louisville UM-WVU/Rutgers UW-Rutgers/WVU South Florida-Penn State I'll even cut out the middle ground Cincy-Iowa Pitt-Northwestern UConn-MSU Syracuse-Illinois pick your winners. cut out two bowl eligible team and an 'up-and-coming getting better faster than anyone expected' Indiana team from the middle of the Big Ten, and the Big Ten still wins 6-7 of those games, five under a worst case scenerio. I'll take that bet. You're looking at the names and not the teams. Hopefully we'll see some games between these teams in the future so they can show the results on the field and not on perception. riddle me this. how have you had time to observe so much Big Ten football when you have been watching so much Big East football? don't be bashful now. pick your winners and show the whole board how absurd your Big East hypothesis is. Because we get all the Big 10 games on ABC rammed down our throats.

The difference is that the NFL has a more balanced schedule and each team plays each other twice in their division. Ohio State didn't even play Wisconsin. so what? The point is that a bowl rematch isn't unprecedented (though rare) and doesn't take anything away from that potential NC mathcup if the BCS system has deemed them the best 2 teams in the country. Let me add this then. They have a playoff to get there to prove they are the best not a bunch of good old boys picking who goes. What if the NFL said after the season was done, well I think Indy and Dallas have the best teams so they go to the Super Bowl. The Bears played in a crappy division so they don't deserve to go over the Cowboys who played in a tougher conference.