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So if TR is fine with this and Hoyer is not doing it wouldn’t he get fired? Not like they are winning under Jed. I think to absolve TR of this entirely is foolish. I agree it appears Jed isn’t comfortable with that sort of thing too. But I cannot see how you don’t think Ricketts thinks similar. Honestly it doesn’t matter. The result is still the same. They Cubs organization has not shown they will give 10+ year deals up until now.
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I don’t think we will see many because we never reall saw many. Let’s take Acuna as an example. This is a guy who signed a long extension. However he will be a free agent at 30. Are you saying he won’t get 10 year., or at least 8? As for the age being higher right now to start in the majors, we are coming off basically 2 lost years of minor league play due to Covid. I think we will start seeing fiys coming up earlier again soon. And not all will sign past their mandatory time with a team. Just like it is I just don’t feel any conclusion can be drawn to make the statement you made. I am not saying you are wrong and there will be more signings of 8 to 10 year deals. I am saying there is no basis to your comment.
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How is the age of a free agent any different than it has been the last 20 years? If anything, guys are starting their careers younger now because of the incentive to bring a top guy up early. There is just no proof to what you are saying. Guys will be free agents at 27, 28 and even 30. And they will still want the 8 year deal for sure. And the elite will still want the 10 year deal. No different than now.
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Cuzi, I agree with everything you said except I also place this line of thinking on the ownership too. I think they are just as responsible as Hoyer, and maybe more so, when it comes to not giving out 10 year deals. But regardless of whose is responsible, the Cubs have not shown the desire to offer those contracts. And I feel there is enough proof to back that line of thinking up.
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I disagree. How many times do they have to not go to a 10+ year deal before there is enough data. You are discounting the SS in this class by suggesting they got who they wanted. But maybe they wanted him because he wasn’t a 10+ year guy. I just don’t think it is an exaggeration to say they have avoided this sort of signing. Again, pinning it all on Jed, isn’t right IMO, but ignoring the past examples isn’t right either. That said, maybe they have a change in thinking. Maybe Soto or Ohtani are different. Maybe where they are as a team makes the scenario different. But up until now I feel they have shown us who they are. They are a FO/Ownership who do not offer the 10 year deals. I would be very happy if they proved me and others wrong this off season.
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That is why I don’t think it is all on Jed. I think it is more on the ownership. If you put it on them you can add guys like Harper and Machado to the list of long term contracts the Cubs didn’t get involved with. I think Jed is there because he agrees with ownership and is ok with not going 10+ years. But if you take away who is to blame it still comes down to the Cubs not showing a desire to go 10+ on guys, which is needed if they want to extend Soto, if they trade for him, or sign Ohtani. And I think we have enough examples to make the statement the Cubs are not comfortable doing that long of deals. TBH, I get the thought process. I am not comfortable with those sort of deals either. But if you want the elite talent you have to do it.
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That, I did not see. But for that I would agree with the FO. No reason to do a long term deal for a pen arm. I don’t blame Jed or ownership for not wanting to spend big money and/or long years for a pen arm.
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I think a lot of posts come with some hyperbole. In this case WCWW is at least basing his statement on precedence. Up until now the Cubs have not make that mega year deal. I am sure you and everyone else knows he isn’t talking about 6 to 8 year deals. He is talking about the 10+ deals needed to get the elite free agent. While I wouldn’t put this squarely in Hoyer, I still do agree with him they the Cubs haven’t shown that sort of deal is what they will do.
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To be fair, Jed has never offered the 10+ year deals the elite free agents require. Now you agree or disagree with that way of running the team but you can’t disagree with someone who says they haven’t made those offers. If the Cubs are going to get Ohtani or trade for and extend Soto, they are going to have to go 10+ on the contract. And WCWW isn’t wrong to point out that Jed hasn’t done that as of yet.
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He wouldn’t be my choice either. You can add Wesnecki to that list and take Wicks out. Maybe you give them one of them and then a lowere level guy. Also, if you are correct and the Cubs have no thoughts of Morel at 3rd what would a Morel for Burger trade look like? Both have a lot of control left. Burger is not exactly a good fielder, but he does play 3rd. He is older than Morel but they both come with a lot of control time. What would need to be added from either team to make this work? Miami seems to be a team that acquires guys and then fits them into positions. Plus they are losing Soler. Could make some sense for the Cubs. Just not sure about Miami. Edit: after looking over Miami’s roster they really don’t have a place for Morel. So I don’t see that happening.
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As long as it isn’t Horton I am fine with that. Even if just one year. But, if it is just one year there is no reason not to go over the 1st LT level if they know they will be below it the next year. They can also trade for Glasnow using that same thought process. If they know they won’t keep either past 24’ and they know the replacement for each of them will be someone in the minors, they can go higher with the payroll in 24’ and basically go for it.
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And there was no inclination Madrigal could play 3rd either, until he did. In the end, Morel may not be able to do it. Maybe they do know it already. But if they are not certain giving him this off season to work in it doesn’t hurt anything. It could only increase his stock. If he can’t do it, IMO, he will be traded. And that is ok too. I think fans and posters are way to quick on making opinions on players. We don’t know why he didn’t play there. We don’t know why the Cubs seemed to want him as a super utility guy. We all just speculate. How many people were wrong in Masrigal? How many felt it was a stunt by the cubs to see if they can raise his value. How many are surprised at how elk he did? Since Morel has played some third why is it so silly an idea to think that if the Cubs worked with him exclusively at 3rd he could turn into an average, playable 3rd baseman? I don’t even know what mental gymnastics are, but I don’t feel that is a requirement to at least believe he might be able to do it.
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I don’t. I think the Cubs wanted to groom Morel to be a guy for multiple positions. So they put Madrigal at 3rd to build up his stock a little. Then when they brought Morel up he hadn’t worked at 3rd base. They wanted his bat and didn’t want to mess with him learning 3rd base on the fly. Learning during the season which could have affected his hitting. So now this off season they need for him to just play 3rd and work with coaches specifically on playing 3rd. Maybe he can’t do it. But I think they are going to give him every opportunity to prove he either can or can’t. What decision they made last year, IMO, has no bearing on what they do this year.
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So you really think the Cubs won’t retain Hendricks? I think they will. I can also see them going over the 1st layer on the LT if they traded for someone like Glasnow for 1 year. Then in 25’ let him walk and replace him with Horton or another young arm. So they can go over my his salary knowing they won’t be over the next year.
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This also might make Glasnow more likely. Similar 1 year salary.
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Why is it unlikely the Cubs retain Hendricks? I would say retaining him is very likely.
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Either way he will be in the rotation. Probably not enough savings to the payroll for them to guarantee a second or third year. $16M is a little high for his pitching ability. But maybe what he adds as a teammate and someone to work with the younger pitchers offsets the couple million he is overpaid. I am fine with him another year.
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Hendricks will be in the rotation. Especially now. Either they take him on that 1 year deal or he gets a 2 or 3 year contract with an average of around $12M to $13.5M. I can see 2/$27 with a 3rd year option of $9M. I would rather not go 3, but that might be what Kyle wants.
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Another angle on this is maybe Stroman is not very confident he can go through a year and not get injured again. Maybe he wants the security of a 3 or 4 year deal because he fears going down next year might be the end of his earning years. Why not get the 3 or 4 years and the $50M to $70M now.
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I get it. I can see Stroman getting a 3 or 4 year deal with annual right around what he makes next year if he opted in. Maybe a little less. Maybe 4/$72 or 3/$56. Something in that area. So why not get the guaranteed money now.
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I get that. Yes, now it means the FO doesn’t have any excuses when it comes to signing a top FA starting pitcher. If they don’t sign Yamamoto or Nola they can’t fall back on suggesting they like their staff so they didn’t go after the top guys. They need one of them now. And if not them, at worste Jordon Montgomery. I feel if Stoman stayed they wouldn’t have gone big for a pitcher. Might have ended up with the other guy from Japan or someone like Lugo. Now they have more money and a bigger need for a top guy. So go get him.
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That is a good thing. I am surprised he would do that. But happy he did.
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But if Morel can play 3rd they can have both. Not suggesting they get Soler, just saying if they did it wouldn’t have to be either or.
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I think you are right about Estrada. What the Cubs did is really not a big deal. They can keep them all if they want them.
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Cubs didn’t lose any of those guys. If they want them back. They just took them off the 40 man roster. They can sign them up again as a minor league free agent. I would expect they do that for Estrada, at the very least.
