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I still can't find these numbers. Youk's career difference in batting average vs. RISP batting average appears to be 50 points. (I will say that I'm surprised at this, as most batters won't normally be far off their normal batting average when looking at their RISP batting average (for your career, that is)- I wonder if Youk will regress in the coming seasons) http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7049/situational;_ylt=AnuMcFJmiPCYk5ESZJ6cdA2FCLcF?year=career&type=Batting Here it is - I think you are comparing his overall average to RISP avg (the overall avg includes the RISP average) I think you want to compare it to the average with no base runners on (which still isn't 100% because you are missing the runner only on 1st situation - which you could figure out) FWIW DLee is almost identical; Ramirez is much better and Soriano is much worse w/ RISP But all this really does not have much to do with the original point which was there seems to be a propensity to dismiss RBI totals because they are a team stat. When in fact if you look at that numbers one player can do a much better job of driving in runs than another player despite the fact that he may have lower overall totals. Whether that's due to a player performing exactly the same in all situations or from performing better or worse in certain situations is immaterial. You can still say one player is better than another at driving in runs for which their RBI total may or may not be indicative. RBI totals can be meaningful if you are willing to do a little research.

I heard its because he puts a chicken foot in his jock when there are runners on. Not gonna verify though.

That's why you need to look at the numbers more closely. Wells has had 43% more at bats with RISP. Which isn't surprising taking their leagues and place in the batting order. Although I'm guessing that wasn't your point.

I've never understood this. There needs to be some context given but dismissing is ridiculous. If a player has come up with 400 players in scoring position and drives in 40. That's terrible. If he has come up with 100 in scoring position and driven in 40 that's pretty good. If you want to say that Bradley's rbi total isn't disapointing then you need to show me that he has had significantly fewer chances to drive in runs than other players. Do that and I'll agree it's not disapointing - (I have no idea what the numbers are) We all know rbi's are heavily influenced by the team - but if you want to outright dismiss some players total of 100 - that's fine if you can demonstrate that he's had a disproportionate number of chances. If that's the case I'll agree 110%. I've never understood why there isn't a "percentage of runners driven in" stat of some kind. A few days old, but thanks to Fred. Percentage of baserunners driven in........ 04/06 - 08/23 BDI LOB RBI% D Lee 59 185 0.242 Ramirez 28 91 0.235 Fox 24 79 0.233 Fukudome 36 127 0.221 Theriot 40 164 0.196 Soriano 33 168 0.164 Baker 9 46 0.164 Johnson 16 83 0.162 Bradley 23 127 0.153 Fontenot 27 158 0.146 Hoffpauir 17 101 0.144 Blanco 8 50 0.138 Soto 20 125 0.138 Scales 4 29 0.121 K. Hill 14 103 0.120 Miles 5 66 0.070 Freel 1 17 0.056 Gathright 0 6 0.000 Fuld 0 23 0.000 CUBS 381 1894 0.167 Thanks. I know they have them I guess what I really meant is why they weren't quoted more often.

Just watching BJs and Red Sox game and some RISP avgs came up: Bay's avg w/ risp is about 100 points higher than his overall avg. (so the differential to no risp would be even higher) JD Drew's is 80 points lower; Vwells is a lot lower as well - bunch of others I can't recall now - easy enough to look up somewhere I suppose. I wonder what the difference is in Bay's avg w/ RISP for his career... hint - (it's not 100 points) EDIT- SSR beats me to the punch What does his career totals have to do with an examination of a particular season? The issue was ignoring someone's rbi total simply because they are a "team" stat was wrong. On the surface Bradleys 30 rbi would seem to be a poor total - however it is feasable that he has had relatively few oportunities so in fact his rbi total could actually be impressive (again I haven't looked at his particular totals) The flip side would be a poor avg w/ risp but with lots of opportunities leading to a misleadingly high rbi total. In evaluating a particular season I could care less what his career totals are, RBI totals aren't meaningless they just need closer examination. Staying with Red Sox I wonder what the difference is in Youkilis' avg w/ RISP for his career... hint - (it's not 100 points) ...its 89 points I wonder what the difference is in Ortizs' avg w/ RISP for his career... hint - (it's not 100 points) its 28 points...not 100 but significant none the less see... I can do that too

As long as old men sit and talk about the weather As long as old women sit and talk about old men ...old timers will gripe about the young punks and I guaratee Gramparod and ol'man Jeter will be no different. Book it. they'll probably be right too.

Just watching BJs and Red Sox game and some RISP avgs came up: Bay's avg w/ risp is about 100 points higher than his overall avg. (so the differential to no risp would be even higher) JD Drew's is 80 points lower; Vwells is a lot lower as well - bunch of others I can't recall now - easy enough to look up somewhere I suppose.

Well avg with RISP is a fairly standard stat. Is the correlation between that and the avg with no one in scoring position 100% or thereabouts? (all mertics - not just BA)

I've never understood this. There needs to be some context given but dismissing is ridiculous. If a player has come up with 400 players in scoring position and drives in 40. That's terrible. If he has come up with 100 in scoring position and driven in 40 that's pretty good. If you want to say that Bradley's rbi total isn't disapointing then you need to show me that he has had significantly fewer chances to drive in runs than other players. Do that and I'll agree it's not disapointing - (I have no idea what the numbers are) We all know rbi's are heavily influenced by the team - but if you want to outright dismiss some players total of 100 - that's fine if you can demonstrate that he's had a disproportionate number of chances. If that's the case I'll agree 110%. I've never understood why there isn't a "percentage of runners driven in" stat of some kind.

poorly? Well that's just ignorant. I'll rephrase mediocrely? mediocre and poor are not the same thing. so technically you are restating not rephrasing. his career line is solidly above league averages, so poorly doesn't really seem justified. hence the restatement I guess. if you are looking for a power hitting corner outfielder then I guess you could squeeze him in mediocre.

Soriano is a LF and Wells is a CF Wells is a fair bit better defensively, at least by reputation - he's won a couple of Gold Gloves - which I know isn't the be all and end all but I would assume he's not Adam Dunn out there - I also assume he wouldn't still be playing CF if his defense was a question mark. That said I'd consider it at least - Wells is younger and a change of scenery has done wonders for some players - Cobs are stuck between a rock and a hard place right now.

My head just exploded if anyone finds any of the pieces please PM them to me. Thanks in advance.

his picture looks like it is from 1976

Legit, one hopped and hit the wall it looked like Even so why is Fox still in there??? OMG HR!!!!!!!!

Well he scores every time he gets on. Averages more than one stolen base attempt per time he reaches and is succesful at a resonable rate of 75%. Plenty to be excited about there!! I'm gonna pencil him in at 21 on my top 30,

I live in Toronto and I can tell you he's not thought of that way here. He's constantly dogged by fans and media. I think management thought they were getting him just at the right time when in fact he just flatlined...at best.

An .850 OPS and plus defense isn't too shabby. Calling Rios an .850 OPS guy is mighty generous. He's hit that twice in 6 seasons (06 and 07). The other four, he's been .720, .702, .798, and this year .734. See the bolded part in dexter's post. Rios is one of those players you just figure should be better than he is. He's got a ton of tools but, to this point, hasn't been able to harness them. You see the flashes and salivate at what just might be...and then...poof. Here in Toronto he gets ripped for not being focused and for a widely variable intensity level. i.e alot of times he seems just to be going through the motions. Now I certainly don't know if that's actually the case, only a very few could, but I can certainly see where appearances could lead you to that conclusion. He seems to me to be somone that has enough talent that he can get by (again at least so far) but for whatever reason he hasn't been able to put it together for a full season. He might just not be a "baseball player"...ducks and runs for cover. Seriously though he reminds me a little of DLee who never put it all together until that second season with the Cubs. He had flashes, and certainly had some decent seaons but you always figured that more was possible.

I'm not saying this is the case here, but being a selfish jerk and doing good charity work are not mutually exclusive. Oh, and I'd trade Lou + Larry for TLR + DD any day. Agreed. I just thought the discussion deserved a more balanced look at the man. Is he perfect? No. As far as the DUI, yeah, that was a stupid mistake. Glass houses. Can I just hate him because he's managed both the White Sox and the Cards? :D Either/Or is the trigger point here; hating him because he managed both is like arriving at the party after the cops have confiscated the dummy dust and the rent-a-dates.

:rotfl: "Gold Jerry, Gold!" There is some brilliant quip that ties this into Bill Hall's self proclomation as the best 3B in baseball ... but I'm not smart enough to come up with it.

Close enough.

Ran out of the baseline? Nope Batter interference?

Cripes. Dude strikes out a TON though. But still, he could hit 50 this year. That's nuts. I noticed that the other day too. I think he struck over 200 times last year and is on pace to do it again. I assume he has the season record??

I've never seen him play (I'm in Toronto) and won't likely ever see him so that would be cool.

Suppose his name were Tyler Colvin? Other than the lack of power I'm assuming that most (with a little hindsight at this point admittedly) would be pretty happy with Colvin putting up his numbers. I just noticed that physically they are pretty similar and Aducci is just a few months older than Colvin. He's 6'2 so he's got a bit of size so maybe some increase in power is a possability. I always find fringe players like him a little interesting - they quitely put up decent numbers but because of lack of pedigree, a percieved deficincy in some part of their game or just simple circumstance they may never get a shot. But given that shot the could be decent major leaguers - and I'm sure there are hundreds (well maybe dozens) of these guys scattered around the minors. Until Soto had his explosion 2 years ago I would have put him in that catagory, maybe even in Theriot. Maybe Casey Maghee is one of those guys getting a chance this year.

Patterson had some success - a lot of those guys had none - I'm not sure he belongs on this particular list. Was Josh Booty this decade? What about the SS San Diego drafted - Matt Bush?? I just noticed John Ford Griffin on the Iowa roster wasn't he once really highly regarded?