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Agreed. As I stated above, I think many people's opinion of Koufax would be drastically different if he had pitched a few more years (even until 34 or 35). Koufax won the Cy Young award in three of his last four years and won pitching's Triple Crown each of those three years. How many other pitchers have won pitching's Triple Crown three times in their career? Zero. Roger Clemens only won 3 of his 7 Cy Youngs before the age of 30. Koufax's short career has a huge affect on his status as one of the best pitchers of all time. Note: I'm not trying to say that one should try to estimate what Koufax would have done in his career had he played longer. I'm just saying that IMO, Koufax's career would be considered MUCH more impressive had he played a few more years. Obviously one cannot judge a player's place among the all time greats based on what he could have done had something happened differently.
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I accept that people feel this way, but I'd like to see someone provide better empirical evidence that Sammy is better than people like Billy Williams or Santo. Just to clarify my post a little better, I would replace Jenkins with Sosa and would consider replacing either Williams or Santo with Anson. I would not exclude Santo (keeping the other four listed) and replace him with Sosa. I didn't mean to start the debate about who was better between Sosa and Santo but it appears that I inadvertantly did.
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Clemens has only given up 9 ER in 6 starts and has a 2.43 ERA so it's not like he pitches way better against the Cubs than against other teams.
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Great comments again from the Tribster Photographer...
soccer10k replied to Abe Frohman's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
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I felt this quote was very interesting. Immediately following the incident, I don't recall Ozzie saying anything about Barrett being in the wrong. Most of Ozzie's comments were in regards to Rich Hill. Please, correct me if I'm wrong though.
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I found it on ESPN.com Yep, ESPN forced you to start the thread here.
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Why can't I stop laughing You keep picturing prior in that scene where he falls down the stairs ooching and ouching all the way down. BTW, PRIOR is starting? WTF? I thought he was going to be out for awhile. They placed Prior on the DL retroactive to a date a few days before they made the actual announcement.
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No knock on Zambrano, but Brandon Webb has/is looking strong with another good outing against the Dodgers. I don't think Z will get it because of the Cubs. Even if he pitches well, the team is going to screw him over a couple times and cost him wins by not scoring runs. While the Dbacks aren't a great team, they are a .500 team. Since the main statistic used in the Cy Young voting is wins (not saying it's the right statistic) it's likely that Webb will end up with more wins than Z. Combine that with a better ERA and you have a favorite.
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Besides general business ethics, yes, the commissioner's office would most definitely get involved. Just to play devil's advocate, how would the commissioner's office know? If nothing came out to the press and this scenario happened, how would anybody know that it wasn't just Aramis wanting to return to Wrigley in 2007? They'll suspect something fishy. That Ramirez viods his contract, the Cubs make the excat same offer, and he pounces on it. That is very fishy. And any trade w/ the Dodgers needs to involve breaking Furcal's wrist. Again, say Ramirez voids his contract but in every interview he gives before (but after the season) he says he wants to return to the Cubs. Then say they offer him close to (not exactly) the same type of deal. If Ramirez says he wants to return to the team, and the Cubs say they want him to return, how is that fishy? That situation - maybe not the voiding of a contract part - has happened before. Player is on a losing team. Player gets traded to winning team at the deadline. Player returns to original team in the offseason. Obviously it doesn't happen all the time but it has happened before. Again, devil's advocate.
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I wouldn't pay Luis and his declining stats $10 mil next year either. His OBP and SLG (and subsequently his OPS) have dropped for each year since 2003. He's on pace for his lowest HR output since 1997. I'm not even going to use the 'S' word in this argument. EDITED to change would to wouldn't.
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WGN showed Dempster on the phone during a game a few days ago. Was he at Wrigley on one of the new dugout phones? It was at Wrigley and if the dugout phones look like cell phones then I guess it could have been. IIRC either Len or Bob said something about it as well. Not anything negative, just mentioning it. the new dugout phones are wireless phones. Hmm...maybe it was one of those then. I'm pretty sure I remember Len and Bob saying "cell phone" but I definitely could be wrong.
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If the Cubs just won (2 of 3 or 3 of 4) every series from here on out (after Houston) the Cubs would finish the year with 85 wins which still might not get them into the playoffs.
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WGN showed Dempster on the phone during a game a few days ago. Was he at Wrigley on one of the new dugout phones? It was at Wrigley and if the dugout phones look like cell phones then I guess it could have been. IIRC either Len or Bob said something about it as well. Not anything negative, just mentioning it.
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I'm dropping the subject myself since I'm no expert on who attends games at Wrigley Field. I do want to point out that your "This is a stupid angle...." comment was disrespectful of another posters opinion, which is probably what I should have just stuck with rather than entering a debate that I'm not so educated on. I found your comment a bit offensive. Debate it all you wish, but please try to be a bit more respectful of an opposing view. And this wouldn't be directed only at you. We all should attempt to be a little more respectful of opposing views. I for one never get offended and took no offense to what was said. I honestly don't think internet discussion boards should be moderated at all, but that's irrelevant since this one is. In any regard, I appreciate the kind comments. :D I actually like that the board is moderated because it keeps the peace on the board and keeps the topic on what the board is about (in this case the Cubs) rather than personal attacks at other posters.
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I would definatly remove Jenkins from the list partly because he played a bunch of years with other teams and because his career ERA+ is 115. I would be hesitant to add Hack Wilson to the list because of the first reason listed for Jenkins. I would definately include Sammy Sosa as well. Excluding him is ludicrous. I would also consider adding Cap Anson for either Billy Williams or Ron Santo.
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I never liked that he came back so quick. He should have taken another couple weeks off to rest the wrist.
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And then where does Barrett bat today? Third.
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QFT.
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CUBS WIN!!
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MUI? MWI?
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Ozzie Guillen has never "dissed" the cubs? Huh?
soccer10k replied to bhogg's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
When you make repeated misstatements of fact on this board, you will always be greeted with what may appear to be hostility. Some folks just can't take being corrected. Oh well. And please, do not flatter yourself. You will not be missed in the least. No need to be hostile Fred. :roll: -
Z gets out of it.
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Koufax has the ninth best career ERA+ among lefties. Here is the list: Lefty Grove Randy Johnson John Franco John Hiller Rube Waddell Harry Brecheen Whitey Ford Noodles Hahn Sandy Koufax Franco and Hiller were relievers. Hahn only pitched 6 years (the other two he made 19 total appearances). That puts Koufax 6th all time in career ERA+ among lefty starters. It's too bad that Koufax retired at 30 though because he put up his best four ERA+ (by far) in the last four years of his career including his best ERA+ in his final season. One has to wonder how much higher his career ERA+ would have been if he played a few more years. I would imagine that a three more years in the 170 ERA+ range would vault him over the other lefty starters except Johnson and Grove. EDITED to include the two bolded words.
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Agreed. Time for a double play ball. Two strikeouts will work as well.
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Agreed. Time for a double play ball.