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Just because USC beat them in Week 1? You're arguing that Arkansas going undefeated in the SEC doesn't deserve to be ranked above a USC team that lost to an unranked Oregon St. ? Every game matters. If two major conference teams both have one loss and Team A beat Team B, then why shouldn't Team A be ranked ahead? strength of schedule, conference record, when the game was, etc., etc., etc. Doesn't matter. Team A beats Team B. Do you remember the 2000 National Championship game between Oklahoma and Florida State? Well Miami handed Florida State their only loss that year but because it was early in the year and Miami lost later in the year, Florida State was incorrectly ranked higher in the polls. Miami should have played Oklahoma that year. USC should be ranked ahead of Arkansas if they both have the same number of losses. I don't really understand how there could be a better factor for which team is ranked higher under the circumstances (both with one loss) than the head to head result. In your 2000 thought process, you missed one thing. Florida State did lose to 11-1 Miami, but Miami lost to 11-1 Washington. Washington under that logic should have played for the national title, not Miami. But then they lost to Oregon... we could go on and on with this. There really is no way to solve it without guessing which was the best team at the end of the year. Ok, sorry. Bad example. But in 2006, USC beat Arkansas. USC lost to Oregon State, a team which more than one loss, so Oregon State is out of the equation. If USC and Arkansas both finish with one loss, you have to rank USC ahead of Arkansas because they defeated them. There is no string of teams like in 2000. It's plain and simple.

Just because USC beat them in Week 1? You're arguing that Arkansas going undefeated in the SEC doesn't deserve to be ranked above a USC team that lost to an unranked Oregon St. ? Every game matters. If two major conference teams both have one loss and Team A beat Team B, then why shouldn't Team A be ranked ahead? strength of schedule, conference record, when the game was, etc., etc., etc. Doesn't matter. Team A beats Team B. Do you remember the 2000 National Championship game between Oklahoma and Florida State? Well Miami handed Florida State their only loss that year but because it was early in the year and Miami lost later in the year, Florida State was incorrectly ranked higher in the polls. Miami should have played Oklahoma that year. USC should be ranked ahead of Arkansas if they both have the same number of losses. I don't really understand how there could be a better factor for which team is ranked higher under the circumstances (both with one loss) than the head to head result.

Just because USC beat them in Week 1? You're arguing that Arkansas going undefeated in the SEC doesn't deserve to be ranked above a USC team that lost to an unranked Oregon St. ? Every game matters. If two major conference teams both have one loss and Team A beat Team B, then why shouldn't Team A be ranked ahead?

Lame. It's the truth. Maybe if the Cubs actually had a realistic shot of contending next year I would me more excited about what offseason moves they make.

There are a lot more non-con games in basketball than in football. A lot of teams also play in early season tournaments that involve multiple quality teams so the schedule you see now will change. Plus, with most of the conferences, you will play every team twice rather than just once. As for not scheduling good teams, where did you get that from? Some football teams don't schedule anybody Look at some of the college basketball teams this year: #1 Florida: vs #3 Kansas, vs #4 Ohio State, #2 North Carolina: vs #4 Ohio State, vs #22 Kentucky, at #10 Arizona #3 Kansas: at #1 Florida, vs #15 BC, at South Carolina #4 Ohio State: at #2 UNC, at #1 Florida, vs #24 Tennessee, Every major conference team has a couple guaranteed games against other major conference teams that are ranked right now. In college basketball, which is different than football, is the smaller conference teams and mid-majors routinely pull upsets over the major conference teams. Now it's not day in and day out, but it's not the huge shock that it is in football. The talent level between a major conference school and a mid major in basketball is nowhere near as big as it is in football. Also, aren't the games going on now just exhibition games that don't count towards a teams record?

Week 9: vance: - Mark: - ndistops: 5-9 soccer: 5-9 Ryan: - Truffle: 10-4 UMfan: 4-10 rawaction: 5-9 ChiCubsFan: - Overall: vance: 53-56 Mark: 31-39 ndistops: 58-65 soccer: 59-64 Ryan: 27-27 Truffle: 39-27 UMfan: 29-62 rawaction: 28-35 ChiCubsFan: 25-26 Note: There have been 5 ties overall (2 in Week 3, 2 in Week 5, 1 in Week 7)

It's football season. And college basketball is about to start. If something gets posted on here, I'll read it and discuss it. Otherwise, I could care less about the Cubs right now.

With the games Arkansas has remaining (vs LSU, vs Tennessee, and vs Florida if they make the SEC championship game) if they win out I guarantee they will jump ahead of all the other one loss teams because they will have run the table in conference play in the SEC. There is no sportswriter in the country who would vote an 11-1 Auburn team over a 12-1 Arkansas team. If Arkansas runs the table, both teams will have defeated LSU and Florida, Arkansas would have defeated Tennessee and they will have defeated Auburn on the road. If Arkansas runs the table, they'll jump Auburn without a doubt. EDIT: the bolded part. I don't think there's any way a 12-1 Arkansas team jumps an 11-1 USC team. Nor should they. Sorry, I was still thinking along with the scenario of ND beating USC which would give USC 2 losses. If USC and Arkansas both finish with one loss than I agree with you and Arkansas shouldn't jump ahead of them. FWIW I happen to think USC will lose another game this year. I think Cal will beat them but if I had to put money on it, I would bet against USC running the table over Oregon, Cal, ND, and UCLA.

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game. If Arkansas stumbles and Auburn makes it to the SEC championship game and wins it, then sub in Auburn for Florida in the scenario I laid out earlier. So what if Arkansas doesn't stumble? If Arkansas takes out Tennessee, LSU, and Florida in the championship game, what happens to them? Under the same scenario (i.e. Louisville losing), Arkansas should go to the National Title game. If Arkansas finishes the year (before a bowl) 12-1 they will have defeated Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, and likely Florida. Somehow I find it hard to imagine that happening just because of the cushion Auburn has. They have a very good shot at running the table, so it'd be tough for the Hogs to jump them. Jumping WV if they're still at one loss shouldn't be tough, and at least two out of USC/Cal/ND will likely lose again. Texas and Auburn are the teams that are tough to figure out how Arkansas would pass. With the games Arkansas has remaining (vs LSU, vs Tennessee, and vs Florida if they make the SEC championship game) if they win out I guarantee they will jump ahead of all the other one loss teams because they will have run the table in conference play in the SEC. There is no sportswriter in the country who would vote an 11-1 Auburn team over a 12-1 Arkansas team. If Arkansas runs the table, both teams will have defeated LSU and Florida, Arkansas would have defeated Tennessee and they will have defeated Auburn on the road. If Arkansas runs the table, they'll jump Auburn without a doubt. EDIT: the bolded part.

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game. If Arkansas stumbles and Auburn makes it to the SEC championship game and wins it, then sub in Auburn for Florida in the scenario I laid out earlier. So what if Arkansas doesn't stumble? If Arkansas takes out Tennessee, LSU, and Florida in the championship game, what happens to them? Under the same scenario (i.e. Louisville losing), Arkansas should go to the National Title game. If Arkansas finishes the year (before a bowl) 12-1 they will have defeated Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, and likely Florida. At the risk of receiving a red-faced rant from somebody, what if ND beats USC by 10+? It seems to come back to the same argument over Florida-Auburn, where ND beats USC and Arkansas loses bad to them. Tough one. Both ND and Arkansas would have been blown out at home early in the season. The Notre Dame hater in me wants to say Arkansas should go over ND but that's obviously not a legitamate argument. I'm going to think out loud for a minute here. Using the current AP rankings but assuming both teams win out, Notre Dame beat #19 GT on the road, lost to #2 Michigan at home, beat Penn State at home, and will have defeated #7 USC on the road. Arkansas has lost to #7 USC at home, beat #5 Auburn on the road, will have defeated #13 Tennessee at home, beat #12 LSU at home, and #6 Florida in the SEC title game if they win out. Obviously the rankings will change over that time but Tennessee, LSU, and Auburn all should win out (aside from the Arkansas games for UT, LSU) so they won't rise/drop much. Florida has FSU left but they should win out and won't drop much either. The thing that could seriously hurt Notre Dame is if USC loses to either or both Oregon and Cal in the next two weeks before the ND game. If USC drops both of those, they will drop significantly in the polls since both games are down in SoCal and all of a sudden a ND victory over USC doesn't look as good. I think I would have to give the edge to Arkansas over USC if both finish the year with one loss based on who Arkansas will have to beat to finish the year with one loss.

Rutgers? I don't think they'll beat either Louisville or WVU. Anyway, I guess they've played a marginaly tougher schedule than Louisville. I imagine the winner of the UM/OSU game would only be favored by 30 in the national title game. The Big East is a joke. I don't think Rutgers will beat either Louisville or WVU either but all the talk before the WVU/Louisville game was that the winner would have the inside track to the National Title game. Well, if Rutgers beats both Louisville and WVU, then they should be treated the same and should be in the National Title game. As I said, this point will be moot anyway since I belive they will lose to Louisville on Thursday, but it has to be brought up. The Big East is not a joke. The ACC and the Big 12 are easily worse conferences.

Oh, I should also add this disclaimer for the situation, if Rutgers goes undefeated, then they should take precedence over any of the one loss teams. An undefeated Rutgers team is the same as an undefeated Louisville team so in my book, for a one loss SEC team to make the title game, both Louisville and Rutgers would have to lose.

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game. If Arkansas stumbles and Auburn makes it to the SEC championship game and wins it, then sub in Auburn for Florida in the scenario I laid out earlier. So what if Arkansas doesn't stumble? If Arkansas takes out Tennessee, LSU, and Florida in the championship game, what happens to them? Under the same scenario (i.e. Louisville losing), Arkansas should go to the National Title game. If Arkansas finishes the year (before a bowl) 12-1 they will have defeated Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, and likely Florida.

Carlos Lee...Beltran money? HAHAHAHAHA. Are you kidding me? Ramirez, I would seriously consider. Soriano, maybe. But not Lee.

Paterno's surgery successful, wants to coach Saturday Good for Joe with the surgery. Not surprising that he wants to coach this weekend even if it is just Temple.

That is nice to see and what's even more strange is that they let the teams decide it on the court. What was North Carolina's record last year? 23-8. They were pretty young too weren't they? This ought to be an interesting year. Yes they were. I don't know any of the names off hand other than Hansbrough but I'm pretty sure, with the exception of one player, that a majority of the team last year were freshman and sophomores after the mass exodus of players from the National Championship team.

The difference is the Dolphins just suck. Cincinnati actually has a decent team with a good quarterback.

That is nice to see and what's even more strange is that they let the teams decide it on the court. What was North Carolina's record last year? 23-8.

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game. If Arkansas stumbles and Auburn makes it to the SEC championship game and wins it, then sub in Auburn for Florida in the scenario I laid out earlier.

I can't see how anybody would put OSU ahead of UL. It would totally suck for both Louisville AND Michigan. Michigan would of beaten OSU at Columbus and then have to follow it up with another win over OSU to win the NC, thats pretty ridiculous. If Michigan doesnt win on Nov 18 and even if the game is close they do not deserve another chance either (unless Texas is next in line, Texas wont move in front of UL unless they lose). They had their chance and blew it, the way the system is set up they need to live with it and move on and let someone else have a crack at OSU like UL. That true, if Texas is near the 2nd team and Ohio State is the one, what gives Texas the chance for a rematch and not Michigan. They had their shot, now it's Louisvilles turn if they run the table. If Florida wins out, and that includes the SEC title game, OSU beats Michigan, and Louisville loses, I think they're deserving of the #2 spot in the nation. Their only loss is, essentially, a four point loss at Auburn since Auburn returned a fumble for a TD as time expired. I agree with what has been said about Texas and Michigan already having their shots at OSU - especially Texas since that game was in Austin. But then the argument comes up, "but Auburn beat Florida, why not them"? Well, Auburn got handled by Arkansas at home and, if Florida runs the table, they will likely have defeated Arkansas in the SEC title game. Either way, a close loss in the road looks much better than getting handled in your own stadium.

Especially when the last place team is Stanford.

Louisville wins by more than 10. Only 3 teams have scored 10 points on the Rutgers D this year And how many of Rutgers' opponents have averaged 492.6 ypg this year? I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say 0.

Why do you say that? The puters have them 6th right now. They need to sell the voters to improve their BCS points. IF they beat USC ill put money they get the BCS and they would rightfully deserve it. They might lose some power in the computers in the next couple weeks because of a deteriorting SOS but when they play USC the SOS will greatly improve. USC beating Oregon and Cal would only improve that. If Notre Dame beats USC, they're in the BCS regardless of what USC does in their other three games. Notre Dame will beat Air Force and Army. A 11-1 ND team or, for that matter, an 11-1 major conference team (with the exception of the Big East because they are looked at as an inferior conference by the voters) is not going to be overlooked by the BCS. The question is what happens to Notre Dame - regarding a BCS bowl - if USC is victorious in the game between the two. This hinges mainly on how close the score is and then how USC does in their games against Oregon and Cal leading up to the game. If it's a close game, regardless of USC's record, Notre Dame gets a BCS bowl. But if Notre Dame gets blown out, then it will become interesting.

Can someone explain to me why the computer's averages are so different from the BCS poll? Because the other two polls, Harris and USA Today, make up 2/3rds of the BCS score while the computer polls combined only make up 1/3rd of the BCS.

New BCS Poll is out. 1. OSU .9865 2. UM .9706 3. UL .8907 4. UF .8017 5. Texas .7998 6. Auburn .7814 7. USC .7449 8. Cal .7330 9. ND .7316 10. WVU .5742 The computers still have Michigan as basically a unanimous #1 so they are still easily ahead of Louisville although Louisville is easily ahead of Texas for the #3 spot.