Are you seriously arguing that Parker, Ginobili, and Cassell were more important to championships than Duncan and The Dream? That's a joke. That's like saying Jordan didn't win til he got Bill Cartwright. Also, what has Kobe won without Shaq? What do you forsee Wade winning without Shaq? Shaq got to the finals with Penny Hardaway, Nick Anderson, and Dennis Scott...all guys that were on their way out of the league soon as Shaq left Orlando. That example's not gonna last very long... At least you'll get some use out of it before it's obsolete. :wink: And Penny was a stud, Shaq or no Shaq. Injuries derailed his career.