David

Consistently around 90-91, hitting 92 at times.

Those stupid someone-hater terms agrivate me. It is just a way of grouping those whom one disagrees with together into a group. Furthermore, WHO hates prior here? There were those who were skeptical, but no one hated him. OF COURSE they were skeptical, his velocity was not to be found in his first start. /rant I usually agree with you, roast. But I have to say, there are definitely some Prior "haters" on this board. The ones who like to call him a pansy, wuss, etc. (Some even pinning steroid accusations on him). So texascub, I'm right there with you, man.

Prior and Wood have both publicly expressed frustration with their constant need for rehab, and I have no doubts that your post is the complete opposite of the truth. Agreed. I'm so tired of reading/hearing comments like the one you're replyng to. People act as if theses guys *want* to be in the position they're in. RRRRRIIGHT.. :roll:

2006....

except for our pitchers - they aren't allowed to be sore. Only Prior, who's a big baby and can't tell the difference b/t pain and soreness. In most cases, I'd think this post was sarcastic. Sadly, I get the feeling that it isn't in this case. :roll:

Oof, thats when you know your team stinks, when your middle reliever is your lone all star. I don't know about you, but I'm not sure I'd want Barrett behind the plate catching to decide who gets HFA in the World Series :-k :-k :?:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8655/pujcurse7ss.jpg Saw this on a Cards forum... The SI curse strikes again. Funny how it never affected MJ.

sounds like you are rooting against him. Doesn't sound like that to me. Sounds like he's suggesting it's too early for people to be saying, "I told you so." Especially when Jones has had two full poor seasons before this one. BTW, I sure wish Jones were more "patient" himself. .339 OBP... Out of our everyday RF (who is probably overachieving at the moment)... Count me as "not all that impressed." It's not Jacque's fault, though. It's Hendry's. Considering the fact that we're probably stuck with him for 3 years, "Go Jacque!" As for the All Star team, I think Barrett and Zambrano are much more likely. With Pujols out for 6 weeks now, even Lee might be more likely (depending on when he gets back and how he does).

I'm just guessing...but does the context have something to do with rehab stints (probably because Prior got hit pretty hard)? In that context, it SORT OF makes sense. They're all excited to face an ML pitcher and they go out there and swing away...meanwhile Prior (or whatever pitcher) is just trying to throw strikes.

OMC's coherent posts in Rants & Rivalries were definitely not from the same time frame.

nevin at 1b, walker at 2b, womack in left is my guess. My guess is Walker at 1B, Womack at 2B, and Nevin as a pinch hitter/double switch for Jacque Jones. Womack will start "Because he knows the park dude" that would be tuff since it is brand new this season :D OK, OK.. Dude, he knows the city. He knows how to play in St. Louis, you know what I mean? You gotta know how to work in St. Louis before you know how to play in St. Louis. 'Mac has been there, done that, dude.

I can't say I'm all that surprised. I put it all on the coaching staff(s). They all wanted to turn Corey into a slap (crap) hitter. With the comments we've heard from these coaches over the years, I also doubt they were doing much to emphasize his plate discipline. They were almost certainly preaching the very aggressiveness that got him into so much trouble. This team's management... I just... hate it. At this point, I am just rooting for the name, because I am so strongly opposed to the way this team is run that it frustrates the HELL out of me. There's no end in sight. Hendry was just re-upped. He's chomping at the bit to re-sign Dusty. How can I root for this team when they are committed to doing everything the wrong way? I saw the whole walks "clog the bases" thing again in a thread recently. It was so depressing. How can a man be this idiotic? How can a man employed to run a major league baseball team be this baseball-stupid? For our own manager to ask if the winners of the World Series the last few years were concerned with OBP, and then to use the Yankees as an example? For one, the Yankees haven't even won one since 2000. On top of that, they STILL have been one of the most patient teams in baseball through all these years. Worse yet, if I remember right, he said it early in 2005...just after the Red Sox had won it. Were the Red Sox concerned with OBP? Wow. Just Wow. /rant I realize I just went totally off the thread topic. Oh, well.

The entirety of that sucker is a classic: I think walks are overrated unless you can run," Baker said. "If you get a walk and put the pitcher in a stretch, that helps. But the guy who walks and can't run, most of the time they're clogging up the bases for somebody who can run." That kind of talk is nothing short of heresy for those in the OBP-is-king camp. Baker, an old-school sort, doesn't seem to mind. "Who's been the champions the last seven, eight years?" he asked "Have you ever heard the Yankees talk about on-base percentage and walks? Walks help. But you ain't going to walk across the plate. You're going to hit across the plate. That's the school I come from. "It's called hitting, and it ain't called walking. Do you ever see the top 10 walking? You see top 10 batting average. A lot of those top 10 do walk. But the name of the game is to hit." Seeing this again just makes me sad. :(

He could be 10 for his last 10 and any trade that gets Tony Womack less playing time is still a good one. can we be sure that this results in less playing time for womack? walker could be the one screwed here. I'm not saying we can. I'm just responding to the sentiment expressed in the post I quoted. But I do highly doubt that Dusty would put Womack ahead of Walker on the depth chart.

He could be 10 for his last 10 and any trade that gets Tony Womack less playing time is still a good one.

Three more words: 1998 Gary Gaieti. Hey, a guy can dream right? I would only take it if he's not brought back for the following year, ala 1999 Gary Gaetti.

At least he's patient. OBP isn't that bad considering his average. How's his BABIP?

These guys are beasts. When I was in Little League, a teammate of mine, broke his wrist, though not as bad. He was in a cast for 4 weeks. And he was back and mashing the ball 2 weeks after the cast was removed. As for Prior, he is just a big who can't tell the difference b/t pain and soreness. You might want to watch the language when making blanket statements about things you probably know nothing about. :roll: Of course, anybody who fits your description would come back and pitch with a fracture from a line drive to the elbow.

I thought he had no BB? Could've been wild in the zone, not hitting his spots. That (along with the lack-luster stuff) would explain the way he got smacked around.

Hasn't Wood been in the low 90's.. 91-92.. in his first few starts (he started out a little higher today)? That's a good 3-4 mph below what you would expect out of him. Normally, I expect Prior to be in the 92-93 range, on rarer occasions hitting 95... Today he was, what, 88-89... So both are down about 3 or 4 mph from their normal selves.

When did it become a "one or the other" proposition?

I think you're falsely correlating low K totals with patience. As you said, his walk totals were never anything great. There are tons of hitters that aren't patient that barely strike out, i.e. our (s)crappy leadoff man. On the other hand, some of the most patient hitters have very high strikeout totals (i.e. Dunn). They almost go hand in hand. If you're taking a lot of pitches, you're also taking more strikes.

My guess is they probably aren't sac bunting enough, or aren't gritting their teeth hard enough. They need more gritty gamer types.

No. I think it's just you.

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