Bobson Dugnutt
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Cubs trade Eloy, Cease, others for Quintana
Bobson Dugnutt replied to Transmogrified Tiger's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
While trading Eloy eliminates a source of cheap offensive production, penciling in Quintana at his stupidly cheap salaries adds a source of cheap pitching production (to go along with Hendricks and Monty) for the next few years. That gives a bit more flexibility to play with in the upcoming offseasons, not being forced to pay big bucks for 2 post-prime starting pitchers. I was extremely considered about the long term starting pitching outlook, and now that concern is almost completely gone. Also, as much as I like Cease, I feel next to no regret giving him up. Given the health history, the range of possibilities of what he can eventually become is so wide that I just can't get myself to care about losing him. Losing Eloy is sad because I really loved him as a prospect, but the more I think about it, the more I really like this deal. -
Cubs trade Eloy, Cease, others for Quintana
Bobson Dugnutt replied to Transmogrified Tiger's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
He's been much better recently. 2.70 ERA since the start of June. -
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Minor League Discussion & Boxes, 7-5-17
Bobson Dugnutt replied to CaliforniaRaisin's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
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Those 2 quality starts are part of a run of having 4 quality starts out of 14. His ERA is 66th of 74 qualified starters, and his FIP is dead last. I agree they won't DFA him for Hendricks, but when they add another SP or maybe even when they get Anderson back he's not secure in his roster spot. EDIT: More to the point, I'd like to imagine that come 8/1 the rotation has Lester, Hendricks, trade acquisition, Arrieta, and Montgomery, with Butler back in Iowa in reserve and Anderson fulfilling Montgomery's previous role. The timing of Lackey's departure depends on several factors(when a trade happens, when Hendricks and Anderson are healthy), but I would hope that he's the one that doesn't have a home when the dust settles. I agree with this for the most part, but I'm betting on an extended DL stint rather than the Cubs cutting him. Given his relationship with Lester, I see them handling it as delicately as possible. He can sit on the DL through August and come back when rosters expand. That is, unless Lackey takes issue with this plan, in which case, they'll send him packing.
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Aren't nearly all of the outs he's made down there strikeouts?
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Yup, a big part of the appeal of Gausman is that you'd be able to hang onto all of your top trade chips and get back a guy with upside, youth, pretty clean health history and 4+ years of control.
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surprised no one's talking about this.
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in 2015 they did. My memory is terrible. Please forgive. I will never call out David in public again. http://i.imgur.com/dVDJiez.gif
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pretty sure that's james russell, not hammel. Those 3 never played together in 2015 they did.
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Random In-season Musings and Rumors
Bobson Dugnutt replied to Post Count Padder's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
isn't Flowers considered pretty strong in terms of pitch framing? i could get behind a flowers deal depending on what we'd have to send out. -
Random In-season Musings and Rumors
Bobson Dugnutt replied to Post Count Padder's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
does this basically take Caratini out of the mix in any trade talks, or would they roll with a Baker/Federowicz hump off the scrap heap as a backup? -
good, this team needed to get younger.
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Maybe I'm seriously overvaluing him, but I'm having a hard time coming up with anyone aside from Archer and Stroman (of even remotely plausible trade options) that I'd be interested in trading Eloy for.
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Why is that? People are talking about giving up Eloy in a Sonny Gray package here. You don't think that's 1 for 1, do you? Since 2014, Gray has thrown 601 innings, to 568 for deGrom. Gray has been worth 8.5/8.7 WAR between FG and BR. DeGrom is at 13.6/13.2 over the same time. And deGrom has an extra year of control. Pitching costs. I do not agree with giving up Eloy for Gray, if people want to talk about that or think that's fair, great. Either way that's awful value/risk taking in my opinion. Right, I wouldn't do Eloy for Gray, and deGrom's got more red flags than gray, so I absolutely am not trading Eloy for deGrom.
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This is Jacob deGrom we're talking about, right? Uh yeah. Is he illegal to bring up or something in your opinion? no, of course not. cw11, tom, & clapp have already pretty much covered the reasons to be concerned. but given his injury history, don't you think we could find a better return than deGrom if we're sending out maybe our two most attractive (prospect) trade chips? I get that pitching costs, but if that's the cost, I'd rather hope for some more savvy moves like vogelbach for Montgomery. deGrom just seems wayyyyy too risky to give up such valuable assets for.
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This is Jacob deGrom we're talking about, right?
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Jimmy's under contract for three more years, not two. And I disagree that the path that leaves us with zero stars is likelier to get us into contention more quickly than the one in which we have one. It's really 2 years. 3rd year is player option which he'll opt out 100%. ah, ok.
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That was not the alternative though, and I'm not quite sure why you, and people like David Haugh, are ignoring that fact. Choosing to rebuild is a viable game plan, but having the strategy in place does you no good when the tactics taken to get to your goal are poorly done. If you want a rebuild, you need very good drafter/developer people in charge, and if you are going to sell off valuable assets you need to turn them into valuable future assets. It's kind of insane that they didn't get any future picks when trading a current star. A rebuild doesn't start just because you've sold off your assets for 71 cents on the dollar. It is amazing how much the incredibly unique strategy taken by Theo and the Cubs has blinded so many people to the actual work that has to be done to make it a success. We weren't competing for a title within the next two years, under any circumstance. At that point, you'd be paying Jimmy a super max deal and making it even harder to truly compete. I think this path is the one likelier to get us into contention quicker, acknowledging that NEITHER is likily to get the Bulls there within the next 3-4 years. Jimmy's under contract for three more years, not two. And I disagree that the path that leaves us with zero stars is likelier to get us into contention more quickly than the one in which we have one.
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Is there a single person in the media even kind of defending it? Legitimately asking. I'd love to read it.
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Rose's two year peak during which he won an MVP that he almost definitely didn't deserve was nice and all, but I'll take the bigger, stronger, more complete, more durable Butler who's hung around the top of the league for like 5 years now. They're both 3 time All Stars. Rose has an MVP. This is kind of a silly thing to argue, so I'll stop here on it. But, I'd say Rose is the best Bull since the 90's, whether he deserved the MVP or not. Eh, it's close, but I very much fall in line with this guy's rankings. [tweet]https://twitter.com/cosmis/status/833382838909227009[/tweet]
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Jimmy is a top 10-15 player in the league, one of the 5 or so best players to ever put on a Bulls uniform, and the best Bull since MJ and Pippen. Our sorry ass front office, who you admit is terrible and needs to go, just traded him for a pile of flaming garbage, and your like "cool guess we overvalued him. But what a breath of fresh air this is." This is so bizarre I can barely handle it. Come on, the package isn't great. But, its not a flaming pile of garbage. If it PROVES to be, then fine. But, its not right now. There's possibilities with them. And as much as I hate Rose, he won a horsefeathering MVP. Jimmy is NOT the best Bull since Mike and Scottie. The one thing I honestly don't get is standing pat with being .500. I'd much prefer trying to be great than being average. This gets us on an actual path. Probably won't work with these guys running the show, but its better than running the risk of getting even less for him later. Rose's two year peak during which he won an MVP that he almost definitely didn't deserve was nice and all, but I'll take the bigger, stronger, more complete, more durable Butler who's hung around the top of the league for like 5 years now.
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This I'll actually debate, without conceding I'm auto-wrong lol. We very well MAY have overvalued Jimmy. Again, my honest guess is we chose the wrong deal to accept. But, at mid season, or after the season, I honestly doubt we'd have received THIS much. And I'm OK with moving him now, instead of another middling, at best year. Jimmy is a top 10-15 player in the league, one of the 5 or so best players to ever put on a Bulls uniform, and the best Bull since MJ and Pippen. Our sorry ass front office, who you admit is terrible and needs to go, just traded him for a pile of flaming garbage, and your like "cool guess we overvalued him. But what a breath of fresh air this is." This is so bizarre I can barely handle it.
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taking the path to blow it up and start fresh is all well and good, but you still must maximize your returns when you're dumping and most importantly must have good decision makers treading that path. I can't argue that obviously. But, when your team is run by morons, I think this is better than if they waited. And while I want them gone, I don't think they will be. I'd love to see what the other offers were. I'd probably be mad, if I saw them. I'm so fed up with the org, that I've decided throwing poo on the wall and seeing if something sticks is better than holding tight. Again, I'm on this island by myself, so I know what that means lol. look what garpax have done to you
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it's so laughably bad.