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More walks for Cedeno, hooray.

The reason the team with the better record has a better record is because they have better players overall. Say Neifi and Eckstein have each had the exact same season to this point, value wise. Eckstein won't have a higher value than Neifi because guys like Pujols and Edmonds will be taking up all those extra win shares. I'm sure now I'm getting into where Win Shares gets really complex, but how do you account for chance? Performance numbers don't correlate precisely with win-loss record, correct?

Relating to this Nathan, how do you get the split information? Does the team track it? Can you get this info for opposing players? As you know, this sort of information is very useful when evaluating minor leaguers, and yet there is very little of it available to the public.

If I understand the win shares correctly, Pujols has 30 of his team's 228 win shares, or 13%. Lee has 29 of his team's 177 win shares, or 16%. Wouldn't that make him more valuable to his team than Pujols? I don't get win shares as a way of comparing players on different teams. Win Shares is a stat that tells you how many wins a given player has contributed to his team. 3 win shares = 1 win. 1 win share is hardly conclusive evidence, but it indicates that Pujols has contributed one third of a win more than Lee. If you go by percentage of team's win shares, a good player on a bad team will always look best. Bay and Dunn also rate higher than Pujols. Evaluating two players on different teams is simple, the bigger number the better. However, like I said, 1 win share is definitely not a huge margin. How is that evaluation fair, since almost every team has a different number of total win shares? If two players hypothetically performed exactly the same, and were on teams with drastically different records, wouldn't their win shares vary as well? EDIT: Here's an extreme example. Pujols gets traded to an expansion team who's pitching staff consists of 9 year olds. That team wins 12 games all year. Pujols if he is 100% of the team gets 36 win shares, a number that Derrek Lee surpasses if he is on a .500 team. So Pujols could never make an out, and not have as many win shares as Lee will at his current pace.

If I understand the win shares correctly, Pujols has 30 of his team's 228 win shares, or 13%. Lee has 29 of his team's 177 win shares, or 16%. Wouldn't that make him more valuable to his team than Pujols? I don't get win shares as a way of comparing players on different teams.

I think the 0 fer was two nights ago. I'm pretty sure he had something like 3 hits yesterday. EDIT: It was 2 for 3 with a 3B and a SB.

AVG: Lee .347 Pujols .337 OBP: Lee .426 Pujols .432 SLG: Lee .676 Pujols .629 OPS: Lee 1.102 Pujols 1.061 RC: Lee 120.1 Pujols 115.2 RC27: Lee 10.56 Pujols 10.03 ISOP: Lee .329 Pujols .294 Pujols makes strides, but Lee still leads all categories except OBP.

Also, John Kruk gained 10 pounds.

No mas.

Simple, the hitters are better, and there are more of them. Better hitters lead to more hits and runs, which lead to more high effort pitches from pitchers.

For perspective, BA before the season ranked the NL Central as follows: Brewers(3rd overall) Cubs(10th) Pirates(18th) Astros(22nd) Reds(23rd) Cardinals(30th) Also, since I wasn't sure that Reyes should be ranked higher than Pie, here are there pre-season placement in all of baseball by the BA writers. Pie: 33rd, 48th, 46th, 35th, Reyes: N/A, N/A, 41st, N/A

attempted 3-6-1 DP, Nomar threw the relay into the dugout.

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See, I think this really is a situation where you would sit Corey. 0-4 nights do nothing to help confidence which I believe is his main issue right now. Patterson has dominated Oswalt in his career.

FWIW, the White Sox are last in baseball in RISP OBP. And Pittsburgh is 4th.

The Cubs were over .500 on the road before the big losing streak, just throwing that out there.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/chc/news/chc_news.jsp?ymd=20030705&content_id=409599&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp Isn't Patterson making close to 4 million? He was sent down, where was Dusty arguing to keep him up? 2.8 million for Patterson this year, compared to the 4.5 million of Burnitz and 7.75 of Lawton.

I only find one post that says "evaluating a pitcher on Wins is just plain ignorant". That's attacking the argument, not you. Like I said, implying "ignorance" about anyone is ugly, in my opinion. You're entitled to disagree. That's fine, but attacking the argument in that fashion falls within the parameters of the community, so don't be upset when it happens. I'm hardly "upset". I just think there are more appropriate ways to attack an argument, that's all. Okay. I didn't mean to imply that you were upset, I meant in the future. Sorry about that.

I only find one post that says "evaluating a pitcher on Wins is just plain ignorant". That's attacking the argument, not you. Like I said, implying "ignorance" about anyone is ugly, in my opinion. You're entitled to disagree. That's fine, but attacking the argument in that fashion falls within the parameters of the community, so don't be upset when it happens.

Not to nick pick, but he's actually hitting .276/.323/.483/.806 - which is MUCH better. :lol: I didn't want to be accused of rounding up to favor him. :P

I only find one post that says "evaluating a pitcher on Wins is just plain ignorant". That's attacking the argument, not you.

Good to see some walks from Cedeno since his return to AAA.

I'm pretty sure it's Billiards.

.275/.322/.482/.804 in 31 Plate Appearances.

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