In other words, people make this stupid disctinction all the time even though they are wrong, so the only right thing to do is keep doing it. Soriano and Sosa are both black. What they are not is african american. this is an unproductive statement. In my definition, I'm distinguishing people by ethnicity. in yours, you distinguish them by skin color. how is that helpful? So you're saying that Renteria is not black? Keep telling yourself that, but I'm pretty sure he's one of the blackest people ever. Yeah, I must admit I'm having difficulty figuring out where Derwood is going on this one. To me, a black person can trace their ancestry back to African tribes. Doesn't matter to me where their forefathers wound up when they crossed the Atlantic. U.S.A., Dominican, Mexico -- why should this matter? Black people have a diverse, complex history of migration just as Caucasians do. Doesn't mean they aren't black. And it certainly shouldn't mean they are segregated away from African Americans in order to cry racism. It's like Jesse Jackson doesn't even accept that they are worthy of being part of the discussion. That's crap, IMO.