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That final drive by the Giants was eerily familiar to the Titans' final drive in 99. All the way to Eli evading what should have been an easy sack and bombing a completion to Tyree (compared to McNair evading Kevin Carter and another Ram hitting him at the same time and then hitting Derrick Mason at the 10). Too bad the Titan ending didn't go as well as this one...

vomit. he overthrew burress on what should've been a big play down the sideline. It was pretty clear on the replay that Burress completely stopped his route after Eli threw the ball. It was simple miscomunication between them - something that happened to Brady multiple times tonight. Again, it was pretty clear from Eli's reaction that the receiver ran the wrong route. The receiver (Steve Smith I think) cut in on a hook instead of continuing the go route. Again, not Eli's fault (completely at least). Yeah, the wounded duck Eli threw after fighting through what should have been a sack a few times. And, after he evaded multiple Pats, he threw a rifle that Tyree snagged on his helmet. Was it the greatest throw? No, but it got to the receiver and was highly unlikely to be picked. He did and I'll give you this one. It wasn't a great decision, but then again, nobody was open. So yeah, one bad decision on a final drive that resulted in a Super Bowl winning touchdown. I'd say most any NFL fan will take that from their QB. Eli didn't have a ton asked from him, but that's not the Giant offense. He made no real mistakes (the pick was Steve Smith's fault) and made the throws when they needed to be made. He's definitely not Peyton or Brady level, but like others have said, next season will truly tell us if he's turned the corner or if the final five weeks were an aberration.

Um, have you actually compared the 2 of them? Career numbers Furcal - .284 BA/.349 OBP/.407 SLG/94 OPS+ Theriot - .276 BA/.341 OBP/.379 SLG/83 OPS+ Furcal has never had a season with an OPS+ as low as Theriot's 72 in his only full year. And Theriot's career numbers are helped greatly by a huge 53-game season two years ago.\ Plus, Furcal is just three years older than Theriot. I'd happily take Raffy.

That would be stupid for both teams. Why in the world would Marion Barber have that much value to the Dolphins? Even if you want to label Ronnie Brown as injury prone (which I think would be unfair), why would a rebuilding team like the Dolphins give up a valuable pick for a good but not great vet at a position of strength? If I were Parcells and felt Miami needed someone to take carries from Ronnie, I'd use a later pick (but still 2nd to 3rd) to get a much younger player and less worn player. Take out Barber and toss in the other first rounder and I think it's a decent deal for Miami, though. I probably wouldn't do it (they need a higher pick than the 20s), but it'd be better.

I watched a large portion of the game and was very impressed with Cromartie. I didn't like much of what I saw of any of the QBs except I like Flacco's arm and I think Ainge looked pretty solid. Erik didn't do much of anything but what he did at Tennessee though.

I think Pie will be fine. He was 22 last year and posted a .973 OPS in AAA. Sure, he struggled at the MLB level. Not every prospect is Pujols. Here's what I would do with Pie: let him play. Let him learn. Don't platoon him. He's hit at every level, while being young for his level. He does need to work on his plate discipline and taking walks, but he's shown the capacity to improve. Bat him 7th and let him learn. I agree with everything you said except for not platooning him. Felix has learned to hit at every level against rightys, but has never hit lefties worth crap. I'd be alright with just letting him play no matter the pitcher, but it could also help alleviate some pressure from him to not have to face pitchers he's historically never been able to hit. I wouldn't give Murton for Byrd just to get him a platoon partner, but I think having one could help both Felix and the offensive production.

Haven't you been paying attention? It's now about a blockbuster Santana-Lincecum-Cain-Bedard-Roberts-Griffey-Crawford-ARod for Patterson-Murton-Cedeno-Gallagher-Marshall-Lieber-Colvin trade Man, I'm glad we're going to get this done without giving up Pie and Hill..... Hendry truly is amazing. Yeah, but is Griffey that much of an upgrade over Pie? Hmm, the joke must have sucked. Oh well, those numbers are interesting though. He's at least a marginal upgrade over Pie, maybe even a significant upgrade - it just depends on what you define marginal and significant as. He's definitely not a minor upgrade, though. :wink: He's like a -20 defensive CF these days. Pie's at least +10. If we assume a .295 EqA for Griffey (hes done that once in the least four years) and assume a gets enough PT for 400 outs (he hasn't topped that figure in the last NINE seasons), as long as Pie EqA's .250 it's a tie. In other words, if Pie hits like Ryan Theriot he's an upgrade over Griffey in CF. See I don't hate Pie.

Haven't you been paying attention? It's now about a blockbuster Santana-Lincecum-Cain-Bedard-Roberts-Griffey-Crawford-ARod for Patterson-Murton-Cedeno-Gallagher-Marshall-Lieber-Colvin trade Man, I'm glad we're going to get this done without giving up Pie and Hill..... Hendry truly is amazing. Yeah, but is Griffey that much of an upgrade over Pie? He's at least a marginal upgrade over Pie, maybe even a significant upgrade - it just depends on what you define marginal and significant as. He's definitely not a minor upgrade, though. :wink:

He hits lefties fairly well. A career .803 OPS vs lefties is better than Pie will give this season (or possibly ever). He does hit lefties better, but he's still a .280 career hitter overall, can play all 3 OF positions, and he has a .457 career AVG at Miller Park. I'd take him as a throw-in in a trade for Roberts and/or Bedard, but I'm not sure I'd trade for him outright - he'd probably cost too much. He definitely has value though.

He hits lefties fairly well. A career .803 OPS vs lefties is better than Pie will give this season (or possibly ever).

I'll take them if doubling up is needed.

What else would Eli be short for? Only other name I can think of is Elijah. Both are Biblical names, but Elijah is a bit more popular these days.

This is pretty much how I feel. I expect the Pats to win; probably by 10-14. But the Giants can win, and I definitely don't think they'll get destroyed. Strahan, Umenyiora and Tuck will have to have big games to cover for a weak (I'm being generous) secondary. If the rush can get to Brady and throw him off, the Giants have a great chance to win. Offensively, Eli must play at least as well as he did tonight and maybe up to the level he did against the Pats before. The offense will have to keep the playoff turnover streak going too - Eli's INT in the first game really hurt them. Besides all that, I think the Giants have a great shot. :D

There aren't very many people who ever look in Fantasy Sports, especially this time of the year. Most of the people who look either just care about baseball or are already signed up, so I don't see many signups happening as long as the thread stays here. Maybe if it's stickied, maybe in this forum and Social, it would get more interest. I know I keep forgetting to check on it here.

I know you Colt fans will hate me for saying this, but I'm actually as irritated at Indy for rolling over for the Chargers as I am at Norv and his horrible coaching ability. If only the Colts had been in this game, there would have been a good chance they would have won. Oh well.

I could also see the Titans trading up if they see somebody earlier they want. Jeff Fisher has talked about needing to improve the offense this year, so I could see Reinfeldt moving up a few spots to grab a receiver they may desperately want. I'll be happy with this draft so long as the Titans don't take another first day tailback - we've used our last two second rounders on them and also still have Chris Brown. I also wouldn't have a problem with using a pick or two to acquire a big-time receiver (Steve Smith or Roy Williams, etc.).

As I have posted many times, Lou and Hendry prefer going with veterans at crunch time. For all the hype about Lou playing youngsters more than Dusty, I'm sure he was the driving force in getting Kendall, Monroe, and Trachsel over Soto, Murton, and Gallagher/Marshall last year. That's why signing Lieber doesn't surprise me today and a big blockbuster deal involving Pie wouldn't suprise me in the near future. Lou prefers vets in crunch time (as the vast majority of managers do) but he's shown multiple times that he'll bench the vet to go with the more productive youngster. Just in your example, Kendall wasn't producing at the end of the year and Soto was - Soto played the end of the year and the playoffs. Monroe and Trachsel played some and were completely ineffective. The result? They were both left off the playoff roster in favor of Murton and Hart. Lou will play whoever is performing no matter their status - but if all things are equal he'll do like most other managers (right or wrong) and go with the vet.

Sunday at 3 p.m. and 6 p.m. roughly. Chargers/Pats are first and then Giants/Pack.

They were probably responding to me. I didn't say McFadden was as good, but said the argument could potentially be made given that he and Felix Jones were the only real options on the Arkansas offense. OU, on the other hand, had some semblance of a passing game while Peterson was there. I'm not arguing McFadden is better - I think they're very close but Peterson's a little better.

Who? That is just insane..Peterson is a talent that comes around every 10 years or so..he is just has fast as McFadden but also is much bigger and can either run over you or around you. He would have been the #1 overall pick(and it appears he should have), but the injury concern had him drop. More than a few people compare the two favorably. Peterson is a great back, but McFadden is likely just as good. In fact, the argument could be made that McFadden is better because he's had success as one of two good options for his offense (along with Felix Jones). Peterson had the luxury of some level of a passing game while at Oklahoma. There's really little to support that Peterson is any better - much less significantly better - than McFadden.

How many rounds are we going with this one? Three like last year, or more, or perhaps less? I'm glad this is back up again, by the way. It was long but enjoyable last year.

I'll take the Titans.

yes, there's also the regular season, which concludes with teams like indy, gb and dallas sitting a lot of their regulars for the last week or two because they're already locked into their playoff spot. 95% of people who don't want a college football playoff (16 teams, say) feel that way not because they think a playoff would be boring, but because it would cheapen what is the most important "regular season" in major sports. and I contend that it the regular season being so "important" is ruining what could be a good thing And I can't figure out why it's more important to have an important regular season than an important postseason. Seems to me like sports are played to win in the postseason primarily, so why cheapen that to make the regular season more important? i made this point before, but i think that the importance on the regular season (this season being the exception) usually kills your team's chances for a title really early. If USC, for example, loses to OSU in the first few weeks next year, they may be eliminated from title contention. It would be like being mathematically eliminated from the playoffs in April of the baseball season Exactly. It's more exciting for fans whose teams are lucky enough (or have a weak enough schedule Ohio State) to make it through the season unbeaten. For those who play in a tough conference a lot of teams are screwed early in the year. A postseason deciding a champion is better than a regular season doing so because, in theory, everybody has similar strengths of schedule in a postseason. OSU getting to play Youngstown State, Akron and whatever other crap they played non-conference was a built-in advantage over a team like Tennessee, for instance, which played Cal plus a tougher SEC schedule. In a postseason though, Ohio State and Tennessee both would have to make it through tough teams. and the current system discourages teams from scheduling tough non-con schedules It's really kind of silly that this system is in place in a major sports atmosphere. You'd think a sport as wildly popular as college football would have at least a mediocre championship season. It's a shame.

I thought Boone declared yesterday. Unless he changed his mind later in the day, I saw yesterday that Boone decided to return.

yes, there's also the regular season, which concludes with teams like indy, gb and dallas sitting a lot of their regulars for the last week or two because they're already locked into their playoff spot. 95% of people who don't want a college football playoff (16 teams, say) feel that way not because they think a playoff would be boring, but because it would cheapen what is the most important "regular season" in major sports. and I contend that it the regular season being so "important" is ruining what could be a good thing And I can't figure out why it's more important to have an important regular season than an important postseason. Seems to me like sports are played to win in the postseason primarily, so why cheapen that to make the regular season more important? i made this point before, but i think that the importance on the regular season (this season being the exception) usually kills your team's chances for a title really early. If USC, for example, loses to OSU in the first few weeks next year, they may be eliminated from title contention. It would be like being mathematically eliminated from the playoffs in April of the baseball season Exactly. It's more exciting for fans whose teams are lucky enough (or have a weak enough schedule Ohio State) to make it through the season unbeaten. For those who play in a tough conference a lot of teams are screwed early in the year. A postseason deciding a champion is better than a regular season doing so because, in theory, everybody has similar strengths of schedule in a postseason. OSU getting to play Youngstown State, Akron and whatever other crap they played non-conference was a built-in advantage over a team like Tennessee, for instance, which played Cal plus a tougher SEC schedule. In a postseason though, Ohio State and Tennessee both would have to make it through tough teams.