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i don't know if "his heart is in new york city." it's probably more that snyder is a meddling moron, and he'd have no control over who his OC and DC would be since the skins already hired people at those positions. True, I wonder, though, if perhaps Spagnuolo figures Tom Coughlin only has a couple years left and wants to take over the Giants? It'd be a good opportunity for a first-time coach - a still relatively young, very good (I know you disagree :D ) QB, good young talent elsewhere. The Redskins, on the other hand, are much more of an unknown and don't have the young talent base the Giants do.

Steve Spagnuolo will remain with the Giants as their defensive coordinator (may be old news for some, but I haven't seen it posted yet). http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3235255 Also, I keep hearing the Titans may have some interest in trading for an elite receiver since there are some (Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, Roy Williams) rumored to be available. I'd love either of them for Vince.

True, but for some people (like myself) who has limited knowledge on prep football players, it's nice to have a general measure of how a team is doing recruiting-wise. I like looking at the rankings too, but have to keep in mind that they change some guys' ranking depending on who's recruiting him. If a two star is being recruited by FAU, FIU and Central Florida and then UF jumps in on him, his ranking likely goes up to three or four star. Then, if UF loses interest somehow, if no other major team gets involved, the kid could fall back to a two star. Rankings are definitely cool to keep track of and an easy way to have an idea of the talent of a kid, but they're not the be all end all many fans think they are. Keep in mind, Ed Orgeron always had highly ranked recruiting classes...

Tennessee's had a pretty crappy recruiting season, but it's hard not to expect it when half the coaching staff leaves for other jobs. We're doing okay under the circumstances, though. We've got three four stars right now and are well in the running for three or four more. We don't have too many great needs right now (depth on D-line is the worst), so it's not imperative we have a bunch of guys who can jump in immediately. There are a number of three stars who look quite good who will likely be playing for us in a couple years. Gotta rebound next year, though, with a stable coaching staff.

http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/4/2/4/f_woodsonm_b4b189e.gif He proved his ability to carry a full load this season. It's a shame he only had 14 yards in the Super Bowl - even though almost every one of them were crucial. 14 carries, you mean. And enough of him running over Woodson. I prefer the image of him running over Harrison. Crap, you're right. I read that wrong - it seemed like he did better than 14 yards. :oops:

http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/4/2/4/f_woodsonm_b4b189e.gif He proved his ability to carry a full load this season. It's a shame he only had 14 yards in the Super Bowl - even though almost every one of them were crucial.

So what the heck DO you want us to talk about? Can't talk about Eli being good, because he's not. Can't talk about the Giants D being good, because they were only good last night. Can't talk about Belidick being a dick, because everyone knows this already. uh yeah we can. they gave up 38 points to new england the first time, and 14 the second time. what'd they do different? why'd the patriots struggle more to pass protect last night than in any other game this year? why'd belichick go for it on 4th and 18, but not go for it on a couple of 4th and shorts? i can think of 100 more topics more interesting than "bill belichick is a dick," which will result in 50 different people saying "i agree, what a baby" or "i'm glad he lost, he has no class" and nobody disagreeing with the sentiment. I wondered all night why in the world Belichick went for that fourth down. It was a long field goal attempt, but Gostkowski's proven he can hit it and even for the Pat offense 4th and more than 10 is very tough to get. I thought it was a terrible decision and, like minnesotacubsfan said, it was likely made in complete and utter arrogance.

Yeah, Belichick was already a good ways up the tunnel before the final snap was made. That's what people were upset about it. And yup, it's just another thing to add on the long list of Belichick's classless behavior. It just makes it even harder for people who aren't fans of the Patriots to root for them in any game. Exactly, it doesn't change my opinion at all of the man - I've considered him classless for quite some time now. What it should do (but I doubt it will), is once and for all end this ridiculous crap about the Patriots being a "classy and professional" organization. The media obsesses over how "unselfish, professional and utterly classy" the Pats are and this just further proves how much of a crock that is. I've always thought of Belichek as classless too, but to me that just looked like a bunch of people thought the game was over when it wasn't. It's not like Belichek was the only one to come out. There was obviously a mistake. I think it's a bit of an overreaction to just heap all the blame for it on him. Someone let the clock go down to 0:00 when it shouldn't have. I've got no problem with Belichick running out on the field to shake hands. Coughlin and the Giants did too. Problem is, the head referee Mike Carey went to the coaches and told them the game wasn't over and to get back to the sideline. Coughlin did and Belichick didn't. There was confusion at first, but once it was sorted out Belichick should have stayed on the field for one more play. The fact that he didn't shows how little respect he has for other teams. I think it shows that Belichek never even considered he might lose, and so when he did he couldn't think straight and wanted to just go and curl up somewhere. Of course, respecting the other team is never in his repertoire so that comes through at a time like that too. I do agree -- it's clear to me Belichek is self-absorbed and classless. I think there's a pretty large body of work that goes towards that. Yeah, this was just a perfect picture of who Belichick and the Patriots are. Self absorbed, proud, and utterly egotistical. The exact opposite of what the media protrays them to be.

Yeah, Belichick was already a good ways up the tunnel before the final snap was made. That's what people were upset about it. And yup, it's just another thing to add on the long list of Belichick's classless behavior. It just makes it even harder for people who aren't fans of the Patriots to root for them in any game. Exactly, it doesn't change my opinion at all of the man - I've considered him classless for quite some time now. What it should do (but I doubt it will), is once and for all end this ridiculous crap about the Patriots being a "classy and professional" organization. The media obsesses over how "unselfish, professional and utterly classy" the Pats are and this just further proves how much of a crock that is. I've always thought of Belichek as classless too, but to me that just looked like a bunch of people thought the game was over when it wasn't. It's not like Belichek was the only one to come out. There was obviously a mistake. I think it's a bit of an overreaction to just heap all the blame for it on him. Someone let the clock go down to 0:00 when it shouldn't have. I've got no problem with Belichick running out on the field to shake hands. Coughlin and the Giants did too. Problem is, the head referee Mike Carey went to the coaches and told them the game wasn't over and to get back to the sideline. Coughlin did and Belichick didn't. There was confusion at first, but once it was sorted out Belichick should have stayed on the field for one more play. The fact that he didn't shows how little respect he has for other teams. Maybe Bill knew there is a rule that says "If you don't play the whole game and leave before the clock hits zero, you can protest the game and you go back to the 2 minute warning". Pat fans wish that was the case right now. :D

Yeah, Belichick was already a good ways up the tunnel before the final snap was made. That's what people were upset about it. And yup, it's just another thing to add on the long list of Belichick's classless behavior. It just makes it even harder for people who aren't fans of the Patriots to root for them in any game. Exactly, it doesn't change my opinion at all of the man - I've considered him classless for quite some time now. What it should do (but I doubt it will), is once and for all end this ridiculous crap about the Patriots being a "classy and professional" organization. The media obsesses over how "unselfish, professional and utterly classy" the Pats are and this just further proves how much of a crock that is. I've always thought of Belichek as classless too, but to me that just looked like a bunch of people thought the game was over when it wasn't. It's not like Belichek was the only one to come out. There was obviously a mistake. I think it's a bit of an overreaction to just heap all the blame for it on him. Someone let the clock go down to 0:00 when it shouldn't have. I've got no problem with Belichick running out on the field to shake hands. Coughlin and the Giants did too. Problem is, the head referee Mike Carey went to the coaches and told them the game wasn't over and to get back to the sideline. Coughlin did and Belichick didn't. There was confusion at first, but once it was sorted out Belichick should have stayed on the field for one more play. The fact that he didn't shows how little respect he has for other teams.

Very grudgingly, I'd vote McCain. I'm less than excited by him, but he'd still be marginally better than the Dems. I prefer Romney, but I can't say I'm a big fan of his either. Republicans should have gone for Fred Thompson. Of course, he didn't help his case by not getting his name out there better. I'm pretty sure Fred Thompson and myself agreed on zero issues. Maybe even like negative 3 issues. I agreed with him on many issues. Not all, but the vast majority. I'm hoping either Romney or McCain choose him as VP (which is possible for McCain since he'll need to grab the conservative vote).

Yeah, Belichick was already a good ways up the tunnel before the final snap was made. That's what people were upset about it. And yup, it's just another thing to add on the long list of Belichick's classless behavior. It just makes it even harder for people who aren't fans of the Patriots to root for them in any game. Exactly, it doesn't change my opinion at all of the man - I've considered him classless for quite some time now. What it should do (but I doubt it will), is once and for all end this ridiculous crap about the Patriots being a "classy and professional" organization. The media obsesses over how "unselfish, professional and utterly classy" the Pats are and this just further proves how much of a crock that is.

He definitely couldn't have been confused. As he walked out to shake Coughlin's hand, Mike Carey stood in front of him - stopping him - and told him the game wasn't over yet. At that point, Belichick either said screw you to Carey or just ignored him. Either way it shows a lack of class. There's no excuse for the Pats to not show a little respect (for the first time ever) and stay on the field for one more second. i was half way hoping that only 2 Patriots would be on the field for the final snap and that the Giants would score another TD I disagree and see Mizzou's point. He obvioulsy thought the gmae was over, and by the time he made it all the way across the field, why turn around? just shake the mans hand let the game be over. He had to cross over his sidelines anyway. What's the trouble to stop there for a second and show a little respect to the team that gave you a great game once and cleanly beat you on the second try? Sure it hurts to lose the game, but 41 other teams have lost the Super Bowl and shown a little respect. No reason for Belichick to think he's better than them. I don't think they fielded a full 11 guys on that last play. I haven't seen replays before the snap but I'd be willing to bet it's closer to eight than 11.

He definitely couldn't have been confused. As he walked out to shake Coughlin's hand, Mike Carey stood in front of him - stopping him - and told him the game wasn't over yet. At that point, Belichick either said screw you to Carey or just ignored him. Either way it shows a lack of class. There's no excuse for the Pats to not show a little respect (for the first time ever) and stay on the field for one more second. I disagree and see Mizzou's point. He obvioulsy thought the gmae was over, and by the time he made it all the way across the field, why turn around? just shake the mans hand let the game be over. He had to cross over his sidelines anyway. What's the trouble to stop there for a second and show a little respect to the team that gave you a great game once and cleanly beat you on the second try? Sure it hurts to lose the game, but 41 other teams have lost the Super Bowl and shown a little respect. No reason for Belichick to think he's better than them.

He definitely couldn't have been confused. As he walked out to shake Coughlin's hand, Mike Carey stood in front of him - stopping him - and told him the game wasn't over yet. At that point, Belichick either said screw you to Carey or just ignored him. Either way it shows a lack of class. There's no excuse for the Pats to not show a little respect (for the first time ever) and stay on the field for one more second. He had to go back to the locker room and destroy the tapes of the Giants. Coughlin outsmarted him and switched them with the Marx Brothers and 3 Stooges football videos. Sadly, he knows much like many others that Goodell won't come down hard on the Pats. He only stripped their first round pick because they had another. If push comes to shove, Goodell and the NFL won't have what it takes to severly punish the media darling and cash cow that is the current New England Patriots.

He definitely couldn't have been confused. As he walked out to shake Coughlin's hand, Mike Carey stood in front of him - stopping him - and told him the game wasn't over yet. At that point, Belichick either said screw you to Carey or just ignored him. Either way it shows a lack of class. There's no excuse for the Pats to not show a little respect (for the first time ever) and stay on the field for one more second.

I did think strongly about looking at who the Libertarians put up, but I don't think I'll agree enough with him and also don't think he'll have a chance to win (obviously, sorry OMC). McCain would be better than Obama and definitely Clinton. Though I hate voting for the better of two evils.

Very grudgingly, I'd vote McCain. I'm less than excited by him, but he'd still be marginally better than the Dems. I prefer Romney, but I can't say I'm a big fan of his either. Republicans should have gone for Fred Thompson. Of course, he didn't help his case by not getting his name out there better.

no credit for homer picks! How bout my Giants pick then? :D http://www.loudon.xtn.net/index.php?template=news.view.subscriber&table=news&newsid=147804 EDIT: What's with the fat smily face? I keep clicking the normal one, but get this odd looking fat one. I'm confused...

yeah the offensive guys always get the accolades though, especially the QB/RB. so it goes. i think most people who really understand football know that it was the giants' defense that won the game, even though i'm sure 80% of the game analysis will focus on eli manning. spagnuolo might've just gotten himself the redskins' head coaching job. when your defense neutralizes three of the top four offenses in the league, and then holds the best offense ever to 14 points on the biggest stage, people have to notice. he was blessed with an excellent front four, no doubt, but their linebackers are mediocre and their secondary is not nearly as talented as they looked late in the year. he did a great job with their schemes, he's fairly young (48) and is a disciple of jim johnson, the eagles' defensive cooordinator - who is highly regarded, and would be a head coach if not for his age (66). the only thing that will piss me off is spagnuolo helping one of our division rivals win the super bowl, and then going to be head coach of another division rival. can't you go to the afc or something? Yeah, at this point it would be a crime for the Redskins to choose Mariucci over Spagnuolo. I actually like Antonio Pierce, but the rest of the LBs are pretty average (though I think Gerris Wilkinson has a chance to develop). The secondary has a bunch of great tacklers (Gibril Wilson, Sam Madison, etc), but nobody who can cover anybody. The D-line and blitzes hid the weakness of the secondary all night. If the Giants can find a good cover corner and keep the line intact, watch out.

He's definitely starting to show his age. IIRC, a linebacker chased down Boss on that play, meaning that he was pretty much outrunning harrison. rodney was also the one who got beat on that deep ball to tyree; it wasn't a particularly hard play for a defender... all you have to do is get high enough to touch the ball and it's an incomplete pass. i think the pats need to add some athleticism on that defense; guys like harrison, vrabel, bruschi and seau are definitely slowing down. They absolutely have to get younger. Teams showed this year that if you attacked the old linebackers, you could move the ball on the Pats' defense. Vrabel, Bruschi and Seau were great once, but can't last an entire game anymore.

embarrassing myself? i'm not the one calling it one of the best super bowl performances in history. i'm not the one creaming himself over 17 points when their defense held the most prolific offense of all-time to just 14 points. if you want to talk about a great game, let's talk about the giants' front four and secondary, not eli manning. there's a difference between "creaming yourself over 17 points" and giving a man some credit. You'd think that after you just spent the last two months acting like no one could even touch the Patriots that you'd be willing to say a little "well done" instead of acting like a baby. what are you talking about? i said that he played fine. he made a few risky throws that didn't end up costing him; he also made some good plays. i certainly knew that another team could score 17 points on the patriots; i didn't think that a defense could hold them to only 14. i guess i shouldn't expect everyone to understand this, since it's a baseball board, but a lot of the time there are parts of a team, aside from the quarterback, that are the key to winning the game. I would have been perfectly fine with Tuck, Umenyiora and Strahan sharing the MVP. Spagnuolo (sp?) had some great blitzes prepared and the D-line played awesome - something they absolutely had to do to win. But, without Eli's play on that final drive the awesome defensive effort was a waste. It wasn't a great game by Eli (it was good), but it was a great final drive.

i still think that he put too much on the pass, even if burress had kept running downfield. i don't really blame eli; he's a pocket passer who was trying to make a tough throw on the run. but it was a play that could've been made. There's no question in my mind if Burress keeps running at full speed that's a catch in stride. The problem is, Burress thought Eli was going to dart one in to him and not loft it. He came to a complete stop and turned around - slowing him down by at least a couple of steps and he still nearly got his fingertips on the pass after diving. Fair enough, you've got me on that one. I can't remember it specifically and there's no video up yet. Still though, to say that wasn't a great last drive performance is being a bit ultra critical. And agreed on the poor tackling by the Pats. If that's Vince or Vick, missing the tackle is much more excusable. There's never a good reason not to tackle a Manning.

As it should have been. Yeah, but it was very nearly too high. A good throw, but not perfect.

Yeah, the wounded duck Eli threw after fighting through what should have been a sack a few times. And, after he evaded multiple Pats, he threw a rifle that Tyree snagged on his helmet. Was it the greatest throw? No, but it got to the receiver and was highly unlikely to be picked. Truffle, c'mon, wounded duck? That was a beautiful pass under the circumstances. It was thrown quite high, but it was a strong throw that was unlikely to be picked. Couple that with him having evaded what he evaded, and I'll excuse it not being a perfect spiral.