It's the same with Santo and Cubs fans. Both are biased to a flaw, and have next to no broadcasting skill. If you're a fan of their team, you probably love them. If you're anyone else, you almost certainly can't stand them. The difference is that Hawk is the PBP guy and gets to torture a national TV audience with his unprofessional shtick for some unfathomable reason. But at least Santo has Pat with him who is great. Also, Hawk is so boring to listen to, at least Ron is Entertaining.