Joe Torre still doesn't crack my top five. If he can't win with the talent he has this year, I'm not sure why we would want him other than the "name" factor. Other than managing the Yankees, has Torre ever won? Torre has won a heck of a lot more games for the Yankees the past decade than the Cubs have. And the fact that that team is in first place despite long term injuries to Pavano, Wright, Mussina, Brown, and to a lesser extent, Johnson. That's incredible. Given those injuries, the Cubs would be a 4th place team. Oh wait....