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There have been quite a few instances in the past where players were granted instant availability at their positions when they came out of spring training as the designated starter at a new position. which is not what the rules say. yet we're dissecting the language of the DL rule as it applies to sheets. We're doing that because, whether or not intended that way, the wording of the rule is absolutely clear-cut. so are the rules regarding position eligibility.

There have been quite a few instances in the past where players were granted instant availability at their positions when they came out of spring training as the designated starter at a new position. which is not what the rules say. yet we're dissecting the language of the DL rule as it applies to sheets.

maybe, but bonds wasn't hurt.

so the rules strictly apply to sheets (even though the rule clearly wasn't worded like that to apply to situations like this), but not sandoval.

and i realize the sheets and sandoval issues are separate. i just bring that up because i kinda sorta doubt don would have this same opinion about sheets if he were on, say...i dunno...matt's team.

the "must be on a team's DL" rule is meant to prevent the DL'ing of players who are day-to-day with injuries. not to prevent guys who are injured for half the season yet unsigned from being placed on the DL. i can't believe this is even a debate.

aren't you testy.

No, Don wanted to know if/when his player would become eligible at a position, not to get a special exemption to put him there to sidestep the rules. Yes, he was asking for a clarification of the rules. He doesn't currently have him at 3B to sidestep them, he asked what the eligibility rules were. Juan clarified that if a player is the opening day starter at a position, that player becomes eligible for that position, by CBS's player eligibility rules. He's not asking if he can stash him at 3B until he plays there. You're trying to claim this as some kind of precedent to side-stepping the rules. If Sheets is signed and placed on the DL before the season starts, he can go on the IR. That's as similar as the two scenarios get. Thank you Kevin. It's really not that hard to understand. Adam just can't seem to give a reason that Sheets should be able to be placed on the DL even though he's not on the MLB DL. He just tries to deflect upon others because he can't give a valid reason. like i've said eight fucking times. he's hurt. he's disabled. he is unable to pitch due to injury. he is going to surgery. How does that get around the fact that he is not on the MLB DL????????????????????????????????????????? Why won't you answer that? he's not on a cocksucking team. the only reason he's not on a major league DL is because he happened to be a FA when this happened.

It started a long time ago and has been the case many many times. I know it's been that way for pitchers who convert from RP to SP and vice versa. But, I wasn't aware that this happened for position players. In fact, I remember talking to you about this during the offseason about shortening the amount of games a guy has to play to be eligible. Turns out, you get eligibility if you don't play any, but get named at that position to start the season, which is even better than what I was originally asking. it's different for pitchers. dempster, for instance wasn't eligible as a SP last year b/c he hadn't made 10 starts or whatever. but he also wasn't eligible at RP b/c you can't have a guy in your lineup as a RP when he's starting games. if dempster wasn't eligible as a SP, he would be an unusable player for 1/3 of the season. position players are different. sandoval is eligible at 1b and 1b only. that is the position he is eligible at. he can still be used as a 1b.

No, Don wanted to know if/when his player would become eligible at a position, not to get a special exemption to put him there to sidestep the rules. Yes, he was asking for a clarification of the rules. He doesn't currently have him at 3B to sidestep them, he asked what the eligibility rules were. Juan clarified that if a player is the opening day starter at a position, that player becomes eligible for that position, by CBS's player eligibility rules. He's not asking if he can stash him at 3B until he plays there. You're trying to claim this as some kind of precedent to side-stepping the rules. If Sheets is signed and placed on the DL before the season starts, he can go on the IR. That's as similar as the two scenarios get. Thank you Kevin. It's really not that hard to understand. Adam just can't seem to give a reason that Sheets should be able to be placed on the DL even though he's not on the MLB DL. He just tries to deflect upon others because he can't give a valid reason. like i've said eight fucking times. he's hurt. he's disabled. he is unable to pitch due to injury. he is going to surgery.

No, Don wanted to know if/when his player would become eligible at a position, not to get a special exemption to put him there to sidestep the rules.

I just asked how many games he has to play to be eligible at C. He played 11 last year in limited time in the majors, but didn't retain his eligibility there. Does he now have to play 10 at C to get eligibility? Also, if he's named the starting 3b for SF, will he be automatically eligible there, even though he didn't play any 3b last year. yes, he needs to play 10 to get there this year. if he starts at 3b opening day, he is eligible there. I belive you will be incorrect should he start the season there.. and this confirms it. So why again should you be able to place Sheets on the DL? Stop deflecting and give a reasonable answer. because he's got a broken fucking arm or some shit. he's hurt. he's unable to pitch due to injury. he is about to have surgery. he is unsigned due to injury. he is disabled. why am i incorrect on sandavol?

well, don wants a special exemption to apply to his guy, but apparently not mine. if we're going by the exact wording of the rules, his guy's not eligible.

what? as far as good arguments go, i think it's pretty clear sandoval's not eligible at 3b by the way.

but i can't remember this situation ever arising before...if sheets weren't a FA, it wouldn't even be an issue b/c he'd obviously be on the DL. if someone can point to me another injured guy who wasn't on a team at the start of the season, fine. Why are you ignoring the rule itself? i don't think the rule was written with such a situation in mind.

but i can't remember this situation ever arising before...if sheets weren't a FA, it wouldn't even be an issue b/c he'd obviously be on the DL. if someone can point to me another injured guy who wasn't on a team at the start of the season, fine. Why are you ignoring the rule itself? Because he's in law school and is just getting practice for the future. I don't understand how it's not cut and dry. Sheets is NOT on an ML roster, and thus isn't on the DL. Thus, you can't place him on the DL in Roadkill. Seems pretty straight forward to me. and that guy for the giants isn't eligible at 3b, but you think he should get to be eligible there. that rule is also pretty cut and dry. also, i'm not in law school.

but i can't remember this situation ever arising before...if sheets weren't a FA, it wouldn't even be an issue b/c he'd obviously be on the DL. if someone can point to me another injured guy who wasn't on a team at the start of the season, fine.

GHS trade their 2009 8th round pick to nsbb for nsbb's 2010 6th round pick.

for who? clemens isn't the same situation.

that's stupid. he's hurt. he's not playing. the reason he's not on a roster is because he's hurt. it makes no sense that i can't keep him on my DL, but if he signs with a team tomorrow i can put him on the DL.

right, but clemens didn't have a broken arm or whatever the hell sheets has.

I'd imagine this is like the Clemens situation of 2 years ago where you will have to keep him on your active roster and can't DL him because he's not even on a team's DL. ok, that sounds kind of ridiculous.

ghs trades its 2009 8th rounder to nsbb for nsbb's 2010 6th rounder. ben sheets for my 7th round pick.

tim just traded a guy he was maybe going to trade to me, so i need to wait on him for a minute to see if we still have a deal. if not, i'll pick right away...

i know who i'm taking if we can't work it out.