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why do you care if you (or anybody) throws in a 2nd rounder for teixeira? you'll be getting one back (at worst) after the season anyway.
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for the reasons i already went through, i think it's a really dumb procedure. but if we're leaving how it is now, whatever, i just want to know before i trade off my entire team. and if we're going to continue to allow post-season trades of draft picks, anybody making me an offer may as well tack on a draft pick to whatever offer they're going to make since i'll just assume you're going to get one back for the player i'm giving.
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well, yeah, that's obviously part of the problem...people making stupid trades.
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It seems logical to me that a player's trade value would be higher during the season than after. For example, last offseason we talked about me trading my 1st round pick to you for Prince Fielder, but I decided against it because I didn't want to have to carry his points. However, during the season I'd be much more likely to make such a trade (and perhaps even include a minor leaguer as well) because it would increase my chances of winning that season. So I don't think your analogy of trading Peavy for the 14th pick during the season vs. the 3rd pick after the season is valid, because I think during the season somebody would offer you more than just the first round pick. But if you're willing to trade Peavy during the season for a 1st round pick, let's talk. :D while i disagree with pretty much everything you've said in this thread, thanks for boosting peavy's trade value.
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you're not doing it "later" in the year, you're doing it after the season. you really don't see the difference? but it's fair for you to trade your first round pick for a stud now and then trade the same stud for even better first round draft picks after the season? so you essentially get a free stud for three months and an upgraded draft pick?
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but if you allow it during the season you're not benefitting "stacked" teams...you're benefitting "sellers" or teams that aren't in competition. if you say i can only get a 2nd rounder for peavy in june, you're only helping the "haves" and hurting the "have nots."
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but i'd be fine with a rule barring the trade of 1st round picks after the 7/31 trading deadline.
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i think you should still be able to trade them in season. that way the teams that are presumably sellers (ie not doing so hot) will have the opportunity to better themselves in the next year's draft.
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once the season is over, they're not your assets until you make them a keeper. and i realize juan got something in the trade. but you didn't give anything up because you didn't "own" santana. I sure as hell did. If I hadn't traded him I guarantee he'd still be on my roster. but then someone else wouldn't be. if this doesn't get changed, i'm probably not going to trade anybody within the season. why would i? why trade teix or peavy for the 14th pick of the 1st round when i can just wait and trade him for the 3rd pick of the 1st round after the season.
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once the season is over, they're not your assets until you make them a keeper. and i realize juan got something in the trade. but you didn't give anything up because you didn't "own" santana.
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it's not really a "trade" though. you're not giving up anything, as you don't really control the guys you are trading...it's like trading guys whose contract has expired before they file for free agency. you're getting free draft picks.
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i mean, besides the fact that you do it. like an argument as to why you should be able to dump players you have no intention/ability to keep for a handful of draft picks.
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any particular reason why?
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of course the other benefit of doing this (besides taking away what seems like an obviously unfair situation) is the vast improvement of the draft.
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what are we going to do about this? i know it was discussed a little bit at the end of last year. i think it's a problem (not saying that i haven't done it a couple times). allowing trading after the season like this is essentially trading free agents, which you obviously can't do in real baseball. i propose either a) not letting people trade their 1st round picks past the 7/31 deadline or b) limiting the number of points you can "dump" after the season. thus, you could maybe trade 600 points worth after the season for draft picks/exempt players, but you can't go dumping half your roster and scooping up 5 draft picks in return. say i trade peavy to don for a 1st round pick. he'll finish high in the standings, so that 1st round pick will be like 14th overall. after the season, don can go trade peavy to a team that finished next to last or something and land the 3rd overall pick in the 1st round. he essentially gets peavy for three months and not only did it literally cost him nothing, he actually improves his standing in the draft. that's not right. can we reach a decision on this now so i know how i want to approach my potential fire sale?
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6/11 Cubs (Dempster) @ Astros (Ortiz) 1:05 CSN
abuck1220 replied to manbearcub's topic in Fred Hornkohl Game Thread Forum
what exactly is lou saving the decent ph options for? -
6/11 Cubs (Dempster) @ Astros (Ortiz) 1:05 CSN
abuck1220 replied to manbearcub's topic in Fred Hornkohl Game Thread Forum
hey, no need to ph for terrible hitters like hill and blanco...we've got plenty of time to come back. -
he slides into bases headfirst for crying out loud, what do you expect?
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Okay, everyone. Isn't it worth letting me have Strasburg just for this? you'll end up with him anyway...someone will give him to you for zach duke or something.
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yeah, the standings at the time of the minor league draft will probably be different than the standings at the end of the year (on which we base the draft order for the '10 draft).
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i think it's only fair that teams at the bottom get the first picks. yeah, the same team may be picking toward the top in the 2009 minor league draft and the 2010 big league draft, but the guy they get in the minor league draft isn't likely to help their team any time soon. it's not like they're going to be getting two arod's or something. maybe you have to an nba-style lottery or something to stop people from tanking to get strasburg, but if they're picking first in the '09 minor league draft, the '10 regular draft and the '10 minor league draft, they suck anyway, so who cares if they get to keep drafting first. whoever has the worst record/least points/whatever at the time of the draft should be picking first.
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because if tim or don somehow end up with strasburg i [expletive] quit this league.
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i think the fairest way is to do it by reverse records like every other draft we've had.
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i think he meant abortion.