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How? I'm not going to pay 20% of full market value so I can be a silent stockholder. Market Cap for any public company is based on the current trading price multiplied by shares (of the appropriate type) outstanding. Yes, there's nothing wrong with valuing a company in this way. Any attempt to take control would require a premium above the current valuation, but that's not really necessary to consider in this situation.

How? I'm not going to pay 20% of full market value so I can be a silent stockholder. That kinda gets into the definition of 'market value', which you can take several ways. In the startup world at least, it's extremely common to extrapolate market value that way when you raise money. I don't think the Cubs are considered a start-up, although the lack of emphasis on wins does somewhat equate to the lack of necessity for profits.

Yeah, I mean, I'm all for the F it idea. I just think there's a perfectly good and reasonable reason not to call for Tucker's head right now. But I can do without good and reasonable with the Bears.

Anybody who compares an NFL contract with an MLB contract should be banned.

I have no idea what makes you think Pasqualoni would even be replacement level. wishful thinking? hope in the unknown? Pasqualoni is about as known as an unaccomplished old coach can be. He's been around forever, despite extremely limited NFL experience (sound familiar?), and has done very little. He's not an answer, although I do think he's about the only viable option if you were to fire Tucker today.

the reason not to do it now is you lose credibility. Do you remember when Lovie found it impossible to hire an OC because he was constantly changing OC and has his own job on the line multiple times? Trestman doesn't have good NFL coaching friends. He did a horrible job putting together his first staff and did no better when making "improvements" a year later. This team falling apart right now means the perception across the league is his job is in jeopardy. I don't care about Tucker. He does need to be replaced, but I don't see Trestman/Emery finding a better guy for the job and convincing him to take it. I think what ultimately needs to happen is that everything needs to be blown up and start over, or barring that, then give Emery a second shot at finding the right head coach. Trestman has failed at his job so far. The offense isn't good enough to him to be placing blame on his underlings.

I have no idea what makes you think Pasqualoni would even be replacement level.

I think the argument boils down to this: Nothing they have done to date suggests they will find a better more qualified coordinator. Firing the DC is a cop-out shifting blame away from the awful job that Trestman has done.

Think of a coach as an player? analogies, how do they work? the point is that he is so bad at his job that his mere presence makes the defense worse and there's a chance that almost any qualified replacement might be an improvement. Sorry but that is a pour analogy. Tucker is a bad DC but it's not like some league average DC is available to slide into his spot and that will result in easy to quantify improvement in production. The fact is the defense is what it is. The depth has been tested and it is non-existent. Going forward it will require a new DC, but at present, this team has suffered as much by an offense that has been much worse than it should as the bad defense. If the offensive minded head coach fires the DC while the offense has been underperforming, it will create a credibility issue. I don't think you can really scheme this defense into becoming something better, given the lack of talent on that side of the ball. I doubt a different coordinator makes any difference this year. And just look at the garbage coaches that Trestman/Emery have been bringing on board. They had a bunch of CFL nobodies and their idea of replacements were obsolete 75 year old position coaches with mediocre careers that probably should have ended a decade ago. I would put the failings on this team on Trestman and Emery over Tucker.

Your point was ignorant if it ignores the contributions of the defense. That is the point. Your point is ignorant if it ignores per game versus total.

Good enough for 10th in the league in scoring...and now the defense...32nd in league in scoring. Cant be 10th per game. That's all that matters. No, I'm pretty sure the defense matters too... Not to the front office. This team is designed to be elite office and only mediocre defense. The defense is expectedly bad while the offense is frustratingly lacking.

I see this notion all over the place and it always fails to recognize the role of manager beyond game time decision making. If horrible managers can find themselves in the postseason, why bother trying to quantify the credit a manager deserves? Perhaps the only way to truly discern the good from the bad is recognizing their ability to manage people off the field. Think of a baseball team as any other work environment. While a manager isn't going to write a report for an employee, they will have an affect on the quality of their work. Employees respond to the atmosphere of the work environment their manager provides. The healthier and more positive the environment, the better the work produced. Conversely, the more dysfunctional and negative the environment, the poorer the work. Baseball is no different. By all accounts, this is an area Maddon excels in and what separates him from the rest of the pack. Baseball is very very very very different from a [expletive] office. Just start with the fact that several players make much more than than and have much greater power over their future. It is not at all like any other work environment.

Good enough for 10th in the league in scoring...and now the defense...32nd in league in scoring. Still not acceptable offense for investments made.

All three phases..., are terrible. Clean house. Start with emery. Three years in and this is an awful team.

Good thing this hotel has a pool and it's warm enough to be in it.

it doesn't have any bearing on the game at all, it just indicates what "smart money" may be thinking. I believe this is similar to what happened with Bears/Buf at the beginning, most people picked the Bears but the line moved toward Buffalo.

Well yeah, if he didn't have an opt-out and was under contract this would be moot. The point is if there was any contact prior to the opt-out, and all this talk of Maddon to Cubs by everybody around the league suggests there may have been, then they would have a case.

The presence of the opt-out wouldn't matter if there were conversations prior to him opting out.

Hard to see how they'd have a case Considering the Cubs already have a manager yet everybody in baseball is guessing he will go there, it sounds like there is at the very least, plenty of smoke there.

I'm not sure, but the more I think about it, you almost have to think it's slam dunk Maddon is going to the Cubs. I'd assume he would want a different challenge and not go right back to a mid-market or small-market team (save the jokes) ...................................

I would think Maddon's agent should have a pretty good idea that teams will be interested before needing to actually reach out and be certain they are interested.

It's the Cubs way. Hire a GM and call him president then hire an assistant GM and call him GM, then hire a manager to become president of gameday decision making and then call the former manager who is now a bench coach the manager so you can keep a bench coach.

i really struggle to conceive of a single worse waste of time Golf? I'm down to 3-4 rounds a year.

They are also trying to maintain the season ticket holder base and sell television rights.

You think there is no possible way this team projects to be above .500 next year? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to understand what you mean by that. Not that at all. I think they could easily project to be above .500, but I see no reason to offer odds to some schmoe that the Cubs will finish above .500. If you want to bet with your Cubs fan friend and you need odds on that, you are a dick. You will be able to find a million people to take the other side of that bet. The general population will not be high on the Cubs right now.