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I'm not lamenting the loss of Olson, but what you described is what they got for him, only older, more expensive and closer to free agency. Despite last year, Heilman still has a plus FB, he just lost all command of it as well as his splitter, espec. against lefties. If Olson had that FB and that 3rd pitch, he would still in Baltimore's rotation. That's nice and all, but he's a long-reliever who might sneak into a 5th starter role.
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Are people talking about the team collapsing? I haven't seen that. The Cubs have made a million moves without getting any better or positioning themselves to be better in the future. That's frustrating. There were some posts a few pages back saying that Hendry is going to be surprised that his team is a couple games over .500 halfway through the season. I agree its frustrating though. I do recall that. However, that's not exactly a collapse; even if it is an exaggeration, you're talking about a 41-39 record, which is better than they were in 2007.
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I'm not lamenting the loss of Olson, but what you described is what they got for him, only older, more expensive and closer to free agency.
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Are people talking about the team collapsing? I haven't seen that. The Cubs have made a million moves without getting any better or positioning themselves to be better in the future. That's frustrating.
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Thank you. After reading the posts after the trade was announced, people made i sound like the Cubs traded Stephen Drew and Jon Lester for Kent Bottenfield. The simple reality is the Cubs traded a ultilty player and a back end of the rotation pitcher (whose career MLB ERA is over 6, and I know that will come down as he gets more experience) for a reliever who is more likely to help the Cubs in 2009 then Cedeno/Olson COMBINED. I know trading chips should be more valued, but apparently Olson was overrated by the O's seeing as they moved him with another prospect for Pie. And the Cubs clearly wasn't going to keep him, and the Padres clearly was not as interested in him as some thought. The truth is of all the moves this offseason this one rates a meh more female dog and groaning. This move doesn't warrant the garbage that has been posed in this thread. FRUSTRATED sure, but the garbage that I read should be deleted. Olson simply isn't that good right now, and Cedeno will never any good (he is better then Miles, who I am more upset about getting then this trade). Oh shut up.
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How is that funny? They better get better for 2009, because that is the only year they have a chance of getting value out of this deal. I'd find it more valuable to have a guy with upside and options shuttling between AAA and the majors than to have a 30 year old with such a mediocre resume as Heilman and no flexibility to option out if he struggles.
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How will those prospects presumably lead to Peavy? As much Peavy talk as we've seen, absolutely nothing has indicated that those are the guys they wanted in order to deal Peavy.
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It still depends on what else they do, Not really. We can only judge what we've seen done. And throughout his tenure with the Cubs we've seen Hendry repeatedly go hard after guys he loves, regardless of their value, and many of the times it means chasing mediocrity. He continues to be a terribly inefficient user of resources, which are vast, and the only reason this team can contend is the fact that they can outspend. This scares the hell out of me if they ever go flat on payroll. GMs should be able to improve their team without having to spend more and keep getting older.
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wrong guy
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Heilman is a dime a dozen reliever who does nothing particularly well. yeah, thats not true. its already been shown that he's very effective against right handed hitters. And that's dime a dozen.
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Heilman is a dime a dozen reliever who does nothing particularly well. How is that more valuable than a young SS and pitcher, both who have yet to reach their prime, that have upside? I'm not saying these are the types of guys you trade straight up for top notch players. But their youth alone adds value to a team stock full of 30 year olds on free agent pay scale contracts. The Cubs are going to struggle over the next few years to fill vacant roster spots with their own people. They are going to have to trade and/or pay up for guys that don't really help much (guys like Heilman).
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It seems to me the goal of any transaction, or any series of transactions, is to get better now, or prepare to get better in the future. I don't believe the Cubs have improved one bit from where they were last year, and they may have actually hurt the future even more.
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That's a hell of a lot of running in place.
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Not being done yet is not an excuse for wasting valuable commodities in the meantime. The roster is never finished, people will excuse the april roster by saying he left room to make moves during the season. This is just, inefficient.
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Hendry must be gaga over Heilman. This is just weird.
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The Yankees? Half the rotation is different, the starting 1b/DH has been replaced, as has the starting RF.
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Maybe Hendry can swap Wuertz or Vizcaino for a LH reliever still. Right now our pen seems very full if Heilman ends up being a 7th inning reliever for us. I'm guessing 7th inning isn't really his role. He might be more of a swingman long reliever type.
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I don't see what you're seeing. They have enough roster spots and guys with options to field a 7 man pen and rotate a handful of guys in during the season. And nobody is being forced off the 40-man either. Fox is around, but he's meaningless. Hill is probably gone, because of the option situation and the fact that they can't count on him for anything, not because of an overabundance. Yes, they lack SS depth (or any real SS actually), but that's a system issue, and not the fault of too many pitchers.
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I don't really think the "overabundance" is a problem that needs fixing, is it? Hill is probably gone. Samardzija is in AAA, with Hart and Ascanio (I assume they have options). The spare parts are probably Vizcaino and Guzman (he's out of options now, isn't he?). If Olson has options he can be sent down if they want to keep one of those guys. I believe Raisin posted that Guzman has an option remaining. Well then there's even less of an overabundance problem.
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I don't really think the "overabundance" is a problem that needs fixing, is it? Hill is probably gone. Samardzija is in AAA, with Hart and Ascanio (I assume they have options). The spare parts are probably Vizcaino and Guzman (he's out of options now, isn't he?). If Olson has options he can be sent down if they want to keep one of those guys.
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Well, sometimes there's not a lot you can do about replacing 2 Cy Young caliber pitchers. You are going to struggle. Under that scenario, the Cubs would probably be forced to start Gaudin and Heilman, who are probably as good as most replacement possibilities you'd be able to fine. If Samardzija has a good spring and starts well in AAA, he could fill that role pretty well.
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On the list stated above, we're talking about relievers and swingmen, right?
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That's exactly my thought on this potential deal. That, or the Padres may prefer taking Heilman instead of Marshall in a Peavy deal. it's gotta be one of the two. the cubs certainly have enough pitching depth as it is. there's no reason to add heilman and not make a corresponding move. I don't know if they have all that much pitching depth as it is. I'd say they have an overabundance if they make this move. If a Peavy deal is in the works and actually happens, then they would take a pretty big hit to the pitching staff. Without Peavy: Zambrano, Harden, Dempster, Lilly, Marshall Pen: Olson, Heilman*, Gaudin, Wuertz, Vizcaino, Guzman, Marmol, Gregg, Samardzija, Cotts, Hill, Hart, Ascanio. But how many of those guys are actually decent? I think the bolded ones are at least decent, with Marmol obviously much more than that. Samardzija is probably starting in Iowa and his level of decency can be debated. The rest of them are either shaky or need to show a good bit more than they have so far.
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No it doesn't. It implies that he'll be 20 by July, instead of when he actually turns 20, in August.
