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I guess when I hear overpriced I'm thinking he's underperformed his contract for more than one year – meaning he's likely struggled for 2-3+ years. I probably wouldn't want to target a guy like that. Sure, it's not ideal. But if it's a reliever who is currently performing, you may have to give up a whole bunch, and then you still run the risk of an inconsistent reliever not performing for you while you've given up a lot of talent for him. It takes assets to acquire a player. Whatever combination of money and talent you are willing to pay varies from team to team. If you value your talent (prospects) more then hold onto them and pay more in money. -
Buying low on a reliever isn't a bad idea. But if he's overpriced and you're trying to make the playoffs, I'm not sure how good an idea it is. I just find the overpriced part interesting. I guess big market teams can do that stuff, but that seems like a weird attribute to target. I like buying low on a reliever who your scouts believe has the stuff to improve, though. Buying overpriced players is how the Cubs got Ramirez. Overpaid for one team can easily fit in the budget of another.
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Yes, that is what you are doing. Chipper moved to LF in 2002. He was 30 and had already signed a 6 year contract. Not at all similar to a young SS looking for his first big contract.
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I don't recall what happened with Chipper but thought there were injury issues involved. Moving off 3rd isn't the same as moving off SS, and there's plenty of precedent for older players eventually moving. But you were referring to Young and the Rangers anyway.
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It's quite different. He was in his 30s and really bad fielding the position. He also spent most of his time not playing SS before then. Castro is much younger has almost exclusively played SS and presumably will be quite good at it at the time of a move possibly happening. They are not similar situations. Young had to move, and it was convenient they had a guy to fill the spot. Castro should not have to move. i love this narrative. like the Rangers approached Young and said "you're really terrible at fielding, guy" and he's all like "i had no idea, tell me what i must do!" He was a 30-something player with a contract who had already benefitted from the cache of being a SS who could hit. There was much less for him to care about in giving up that position.
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They aren't identical, and they aren't particularly similar either. they're analogous, jersey. they just are. i'm not sure why that's unacceptable to you. but if it is, so be it. the cubs are going to resolve the situation if Lee continues to progress and Castro proves to be a very good MLB SS. how they do so, no one knows. but if they choose to resolve it in a way that isn't sufficient similar to any situation in the past for your liking, such is life. It has nothing to do with whether or not the situation will be resolved. It's about whether the player will happily play along. The lack of a precedent for 24/25 year old SS's who can handle the position happily moving off that position just as they approach the final years of arbitration and pending free agency is meaningful.
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why does it have to be SS, that's dumb what's going to make Castro more recalcitrant to move than established stars like Chipper Jones, Cabrera, Young, Soriano were? Cabrera moved because he was a porker that couldn't handle the position. Soriano moved because he sucked and was forced into it by a hard ass manager. He initially refused. Young moved to the more high profile position, and then moved off it in his 30's when everybody else does. Chipper moved off of shortstop because that is what young kids who want a shot at the majors do when their is a big leaguer at their position. He was also really big for the position and doubtful to handle it longterm. There's more money in being a good hitting shortstop than other positions. In three years, Castro may be positioning himself for his first really big contract that is meant to set him up for life. If he's a 25 year old SS who can hit a little, he's going to make huge money. If he's a 25 year old 3B who can hit a little, not so much. Being a SS means you don't have to hit as much as other players to get the big bucks. Soriano eventually found his Jim Hendry to pay him big hitting middle infielder money as a left fielder. But not everybody can count on Jim Hendry.
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It's quite different. He was in his 30s and really bad fielding the position. He also spent most of his time not playing SS before then. Castro is much younger has almost exclusively played SS and presumably will be quite good at it at the time of a move possibly happening. They are not similar situations. Young had to move, and it was convenient they had a guy to fill the spot. Castro should not have to move.
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They aren't identical, and they aren't particularly similar either.
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Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-27-10
jersey cubs fan replied to Outshined_One's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
Was he really the most likely candidate for the job? I wouldn't have thought they had him at the head of the line even before this outing. I have no idea who they'll pick. They seem to be following their plan to put Z back in the bullpen. Cashner probably would be determined to not be stretched out either. Marshall's certainly not going to move. It will probably come down to one of Diamond, Jackson, Samardzija, or Atkins. In the back of my head I was thinking Cashner has been getting a lot of 2 inning outings lately and may be preparing to be stretched out. But when I see he's only gone over 1 inning 4 times in the past three weeks. And last nights bad 2nd inning occured a day after an outing. I don't care that he only threw 2 pitches, you don't make a young arm come out on back to back outings and pitch past one inning the 2nd day. -
General 2010 other games thread
jersey cubs fan replied to soccer10k's topic in Fred Hornkohl Game Thread Forum
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right, but the cubs are pretty lousy too, which is why they lose to teams like the pirates and astros. The second half theyve been prety decent so far. Right now, were 9 games out I believe. Were 2-9 vs. the freaking Pirates. Even if that was 5-6, wed be 6 games back. Everyone beats the damn Pirates. Then give us at least 2 of the 3 games on the last home stand we should have won, the 1 vs. the Phils with the play at home and the 1 vs. the Stros where we had guys on 2nd with nobody out in the bottom of the 9th and 10th, and were 4 games out. I know throughout the baseball seaon our going to have those games where you look back and say damn, we should have won, but the Cubs have had an obscene amount of those this season. Bad teams lose lots of games, and when you lose lots of games odds are there are going to be quite a few that looked like ones you should have one. Oh, and in case you were wondering, the Cubs are a bad team.
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Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-27-10
jersey cubs fan replied to Outshined_One's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
Was he really the most likely candidate for the job? I wouldn't have thought they had him at the head of the line even before this outing. -
Vitters Last 9 Games at AA in 2010 & More
jersey cubs fan replied to Donzo1679666396's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
It would be nice to see him comfortably in the 800s, not to mention spending the entire year in AA. There's no good reason for him to see AAA next year. He's got half a season of bad play at AA. Give him a full season without worrying about when to time his next promotion. Being young for your level is all well and good for grading a guy on the curve, but it doesn't do you any good once you get to the majors. The Cubs do not handle slow starting major leaguers well. He's going to have to be ready for the majors when he gets up here, so stop rushing that day. -
I'm not saying Young was a great defensive SS, but he moved to 3B the year after he won a GG at short, right? They moved him to short b/c they needed to replace ARod. They moved him to third b/c they wanted to give Andrus a shot in the majors. The situations aren't completely analogous, but they moved an established player to give a young, unproven, but better defender a chance at the position. It's similar to what the Cubs did with Theriot this year and it would be similar if they did it with Castro and Lee in 2-3 years. It's similar. It doesn't have to be exactly the same thing. The similiarities are quite weak though. One guy was a temporary SS, another guy was a placeholder SS. Neither came up as a SS. They played out of position due to a need. Castro has been a SS from day one as a pro. If Lee ever makes it to the majors, odds are Castro will be an established high quality SS in his prime, with no history of playing another position. That's not the case in those other situations. Guys get moved off short in their 30's all the time. This has nothing to do with that.
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
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Cutler significantly outperformed anything Grossman did last year and didn't come close to playing as poorly as Rex did at his worst.
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Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-25-10
jersey cubs fan replied to Outshined_One's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
So I can feign surprise every time somebody pretends Vitters didn't suck this year? -
I can't imagine that saving a team any significant money in contract talks. At the same time you can use your 10/5 rights to negotiate terms for accepting a trade.
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How?
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Most of those guys played on a team that was bad and then built into a winner, or in some cases play for a good team right away and therefore skip the bad start. Cutler played for a bad team and was traded to a bad team. He didn't suck pretty hard last year either, that's just stupid talk. He was disappointing and inconsistent, but he didn't suck pretty hard.
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Aikman didn't have a good record until he was 27ish, Drew Brees played a while before his record became impressive. The fact is it is very easy for a very good QB to not have a good record. Aikman went 1-15 his rookie season. He had to play on a lot of good teams to make up for that. Brees wasn't elite until he went to New Orleans. Good but inconsistent and they still opted for Rivers when he was in the fold. Failing to see how this defends your stance that it's very very unlikely that any elite QB would have a bad W/L record over an extended time.
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Aikman didn't have a good record until he was 27ish, Drew Brees played a while before his record became impressive. The fact is it is very easy for a very good QB to not have a good record.
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Jim Kelly was 28-29 at 29 years old. The problem with your theory is that most people won't call a QB elite until he wins a lot. So if the QB is on a team that sucks, it doesn't matter what he does personally, he can't be elite until his team gets better.
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I think we're a long way away from needing to worry about this.
