BigSlick

CCR is definitely a dark horse candidate right here. They could make a damn fine run.

Exactly how is he a bum? Being injured doesn't make one a bum. Maybe because he threw with the mechanics that put so much strain on the arm that its inevitable that these injuries would occur. ...but I guess thats not ALL his fault LARRY What did I do? http://www.nonstuff.com/wp-content/larryshrug.jpg

We already have an NFL thread, its called the Bears Off-season thread. Don't try and tell me that other NFL teams exist, you will fail miserably. Every so often, usually on Sundays, the Bears will...meet another team on the field, but will crush them so completely and mercilessly that they can hardly be considered to be part of the NFL. And don't start talking about these "Packers" I keep hearing about. They certainly can't be real.

Why this may be true, the greatness that is OK Computer (disregarding Fitter Happier, because thats just creepy and stupid) is better than any one CCR album. But dear lord, CCR put out so many fantastic hits...I mean...god they are so great. I voted CCR in the end.

I don't even know if you can consider Santana a rock and roll band, but whatever. Sabbath it is.

I think my brain just exploded. First the emmitt smith thing, and now this?

Somewhat agreed. However, Plush is a good song. Hotel California is a great song. End of discussion.

This pains me so much. OK Computer is my favorite album...but CCR is just so great. I have made my choice. And I had to spill some of my own blood in the process.

That would be me. :) Where do they play? Jacques is tied up for another year, so unless we trade him, are we going to deal with the disaster that is Soriano at second base?

His ERA jumped from high 3's to 5 flat in one outing. Ouch.

Agreed.

Bad plan, we need to win for Zambrano.

Unfortunately, we don't even have "decent" hitting. We are last in the NL in runs, OBP, SLG, Homers, you name it, we're the bottom.

Agreed. If given a gun-to-the-head decision though, I'd take a big bat. I have a feeling our pitching is decent enough when the youngsters get some more experience. Matters what happens with Maddux, Wood, etc. However, our offense is so terrible...I feel like vomitting. We have no power, we have no ability to get on base...theres really nothing going for them.

The discussion is moot, if Dusty is still here, then Marshall will go 250+ innings. If he isn't, he'll probably go 200+ anyway. He wont be sitting.

Actually the low is 138 on June 23 with Cubs (Marmol) vs Twins (Santana) I wasn't being literal...

This is sad and pathetic. Only 10 pages for a Zambrano game? And he pitched masterfully, to boot. Its a new low.

It's hard to over-rate when you have the most yardage from scrimmage by a RB, most rushing yards, and most rushing TD's. Saying Smith is over-rated would be the same as saying Hank Aaron is over-rated. You can do it, but it's pretty ridiculous. Hank Aaron is overrated. He had incredible longevity and consistency, but he never had ridiculous years like Babe Ruth, Barry Bonds, etc. had. I don't think he ever had more than ~45 homers in a season, not saying thats not great, but he isn't the best home run hitter of all time. Just for some comparison, Aaron had 40 more homers than Babe Ruth in 4,000 more at bats. BTW, just to add to the discussion, Payton is the best, end of discussion. C'mon, Emmitt Smith isn't better, don't be ridiculous. And by what metric do you support this? I'm not being ridiculous. Smith: #1 Rushing TD's. Smith: #1 Rushing yards. Smith: #1 Yards from scrimmage by a RB. Smith: #1 TD's by a RB. He was the most productive RB in the history of the NFL. Sure that was due to longevitiy which should be a credit to him. Look at the average career of an NFL running back. The fact that Smith showed the toughness to stick it out and be productive through all those seasons is a testament to his greatness. The same could be said about Aaron in baseball. He was remarkably consistent in hitting HR's. Whether or not he is the greatest HR hitter, I'm not sure, but he certainly isn't overrated. So if someone rated Aaron as the greatest HR hitter, what would he be?[/b] I would say someone could say that Aaron is the greatest HR hitter of all time and be fully justified in that opinion. LKASD;LKFJASD;LKJF;LASDKJF SDAFJ;LKASDJF;LASKDJLFJASF COPY PASTED FROM MY PREVIOUS POST: I'd like to address this. Of course Aaron should be in the discussion, but is he the best all time? Listen, he had 40 more home runs than Babe Ruth. In terms of raw numbers, he had more home runs. But he also accomplished this in 4,000 more at bats. So is he really the best all time? I mean, its the same with some of these running backs and Emmitt Smith, in my opinion. Yes, in terms of raw totals, he has the market cornered...but he also played much much longer and thus had less "impact" seasons, and not to knock Emmitt, but for all that longevity and consistency, it sure took him a long time to crack those records. _________________

It would be hilarious if the Cubs offered him a deal. and sad.

I'd like to address this. Of course Aaron should be in the discussion, but is he the best all time? Listen, he had 40 more home runs than Babe Ruth. In terms of raw numbers, he had more home runs. But he also accomplished this in 4,000 more at bats. So is he really the best all time? I mean, its the same with some of these running backs and Emmitt Smith, in my opinion. Yes, in terms of raw totals, he has the market cornered...but he also played much much longer and thus had less "impact" seasons, and not to knock Emmitt, but for all that longevity and consistency, it sure took him a long time to crack those records.

Crappy-Starter-Mark-Mulder hit the DL. It'll be a couple weeks before Mulder can give up 15 more runs each start.

From what I read, the final ballot is selected by MLB from the pool of players who received the most votes on the player's ballots, but did not make the team. Statistically, AJP is the second best starting offensive catcher in the AL, by any measure, and is having a better season than the fan's choice. He was also on the 2002 AL AS team, selected by Joe Torre, during a lesser season than he is having now. I agree Hafner and Liriano should be on the ballot, but why the assumption that Liriano should be on the team? Liriano wasn't even a starting pitcher until seven weeks ago, and so far has only started against three teams in his own league- Seattle, Baltimore and LA Angels, all of which are at the bottom of the AL in offense. Throw in his NL starts, and he's only pitched against one team with an above average offense. I agree he will probably be an All Star in the future, but why not let him actually pitch around the league once or twice to prove it first? I wish our pitchers could do that well against middling NL offenses.

He had 2 RBI well into June.

He's a second basemen. He's gotta bat second.

Trick question, if Baker is fired, the new manager would refuse to play Neifi so its not hard at all.