BigSlick

No so fast, my friend.

What's mean about a discussion? If I was posting OML REX GROSSMAN WURST EVAR!*&!% maybe I'd see the point. It was a little tongue-in-cheek buddy.

I'd like to say that Saints fans were nicer to our Qb than you meanie Colts fans. Lay off him! You don't want to be put into the same situation with egg all over your face from the "worst quarterback ever to play in a Super Bowl" Sexy Rexy is winding up boys. He's got nothing to lose if you declare him the worst QB in the Superbowl era. Whats stopping him from whipping it all out?

It's unbelievable... Look at the names on that list. It's ridiculous. Yet, some people would still have you think that there is no national media bias against the Bears. Obviously the people in that poll disagree with you (considering Grossman is winning)-while I am not sure that Grossman is one of the worst QB's ever in a Super Bowl, he is definitely one of the 2 or 3 worst in the last 10 years- Look at this list 2005-Big Ben, Hasselbeck 2004-Brady, Mcnabb 2003-Brady, Delhomme 2002-Brad Johnson, Gannon 2001-Brady, Warner 2000-Dilfer, Collins 1999-Warner, McNair 1998-Elway, Chandler 1997-Elway, Favre 1996-Favre, Bledsoe 1995-Aikman, O'Donnell Before that we had QB's like Aikman and Kelly, and names like Montana and Elway that were in several of the SB's the years before that. The SB has always been populated by great QB's. The only QB's you could even put Grossman next to on that list are Big Ben, Brad Johnson, Dilfer, Collins, Chandler, and O'Donnell. I just looked up all their stats, and Grossman is worse than all of them in important stats like completion percentage and TD/INT ratio (I didn't look at rating, but if Grossman is behind in those, he likely isn't above any more than 1 person at most in rating also, since those stats are key in compiling the QB rating). This is no national media bias-Grossman is growing and will be a very good QB one day, and has had many very good days-but when one looks at his stats compared to other QB's, he deserves to be on the list of the worst QB's to ever play in a Super Bowl. Edit: If Bob already cleared up your question, I'm sorry. I didn't see his response till after I wrote this, but I did find the analysis interesting, so I'm going to leave it up as it is. Its very unfortunate (in Grossman's case) that the last 10 years, very strong Qb's have made it to the Super Bowl, but before that, many many MANY mediocre to bad quarterbacks were littering the Super Bowl. I'd like to think Grossman is better than Trent Dilfer anyway.

I love how the only difference between this years team and last years team is Rex Grossman starting 16 games. Guess what: We win homefield advantage, start blowing out teams instead of slipping past them, and we go to the Super Bowl. Heck, our defense played a bit worse than last year, and we still do it. Its absurd how much flak this guy gets. Especially since he's what, 26?

Poor Zoom deserves a ring if the Bears end up winning the Superbowl. Its a shame what happened with him.

laaaaaaaaaame

How is Bob Sanders? Can we kill him somehow?

A large part of that is simply the variability of pro football. Look at the Bears/Seahawks games and Colts/Patriots games for example. Did the Bears and the Colts really prove they were the better team? They deserve to go and possibly be called champions, definitely. At the same time, both of those games were so close that 1 play changed the outcome of the game entirely-when that's the case with teams, it's hard to say that somebody was really off by picking the other side. Isn't it amazing to think that if just 1 or 2 very small things go differently, this could be say a Chargers-Saints SB? I can tell you one thing, I'm glad that for this year, those things did not go differently :D. Saints Bears was close?

Probably not a first rounder, but he might get you a 2nd rounder. I wonder if any team would be interested in Jones and Wale together. How old is Jones? I wouldn't trade much for a backup RB as they are probably the easiest thing to find. Jones came into the league the same year as Urlacher, so he has been around a little while. I think he is definitly worth a #2 though. He is not a back-up running back. He would start for a lot of teams. 1300-1400 yard running backs are not that common. He did it last year, and he would have done it this year, but the Bears gave Benson a lot of carries towards the end of the season. Also if he can play well next Sunday and the Bears win the Super Bowl, his value goes up. The demand always seems to be higher for guys coming off a Super Bowl win. I think Wale can get us a 2nd round pick as well. Why would we trade Adewale anyway? We need to reach a decision on Alex Brown at least, this guy seems to get by getting 5 sacks a year, and 4 of them are against the Giants.

Uh oh. Accuscore, the best expert that ESPN currently employs has picked against the Bears in a fairly close 24.3-23.4 game, obviously decided by a .9 point field goal by Vinatieri in the final seconds. Harmon Forecast predicts the Bears to win pretty easily, something like 27-23. (http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/features/writers/harmon/forecast) I'd like to see the formulas on both of these. Both predicted the Bears wins in the previous playoff games, btw.

The Bears win. You sure? I hope the Bears not being able to get 7 in the red zone here doesn't come back to haunt them. :x Is it an NFL Replay re-air? W/all the extra NFL Films goodies and stuff? yes and in watching, i wish TJ would run downhill like he did sunday all the time I wish I had NFL Network to watch that. I'm contemplating torrenting it and the Seahawks game.

Also be careful blitzing Manning too much...he will make you pay. fixed What about Pittsburgh and San Diego last year? They blitzed him quite effectively. If you can conceal the blitzes well, (Which we don't do) and if you can get pressure on him (which doesn't always happen with our blitzes) then there is nothing wrong with blitzing him. In fact, we might have to end up blitzing him. If you cannot get pressure from the front 4, he'll pick your cover 2 apart. You can't sit in a zone against Manning. Pittsburgh and San Diego are both 3-4 defenses. 3-4 defenses have confused the offensive line in the past (see also the Dallas game from this year). The offensive line has never had much of a problem picking up blitzes from even the best 4-3 teams. It's a big thing in Indy before every game-the inevitable question, are they a 4-3 or a 3-4? I'm not saying the offensive line is perfect, but how an offense blocks a 4-3 and a 3-4 is a little different, and all the defenses the Colts have ever had trouble against are 3-4's. This is very true. The problems that Peyton has had in the past have all come from teams that run 3-4 defenses. I'm very afraid he'll pick our defense apart. Of course, I was afraid Drew Brees would, too. So we shall see, we shall see. We'll need another superhuman effort in this one. Don't the Jags run a 4-3 defense? Manning had a hard time with them. Jacksonville tends to run a 3-3-5 against the Colts, but that is probably a pretty good comparison to the Bears (when Jax is totally healthy). They tackle well, and they stop the run well. Manning's never had a problem with pressure against them, it's always been about finding receivers-and the game at Jax his receivers dropped I think 8 passes that day. :roll: That is very rolleyes worthy, bro. The Colts always have problems with the Jags, when was the last time they've scored more than 24 against them? EDIT: In the last 3 years he's scored: 17, 21, 26, 10, 24, 24 against the Jags Very impressive considering the tear he's been on. They've really hedged him in. Yes, the Jags have always held the Colts below their average, but the difference between those games and the game in Jax where there were 8 dropped passes is that most of those other games were won by the Colts. 3 or 4 times, they could have scored 30 if they had actually wanted to, but rather just started running the ball because they were winning the game. In Jax, they scored only 17 I think, and they got blown out-that's why I referenced that game in particular. The key to what the Jags do against the Colts is stopping the run with 3 defensive lineman (with Stroud and Henderson, that's not hard to do), which allows them to drop 7 or 8 into coverage while still getting decent pressure. If the Bears can do that, they will be in good shape. I personally don't think your D-line is that good with Harris out, but if it is they could easily hold the Colts down. Yeah, I don't see the Bears running a 3 man front, and I don't think I've seen them do it all year. Maybe with Tommie Harris, but definitely not now. We'll probably run a lot of Nickel and just gamble that you wont run all over us. I worry a lot with Manning and Harris back there in coverage, but yeah, again, I worried with them in coverage against the Saints. I'm going to guess the Bears will take the standard approach against Manning that teams used this year: Let him cut you up and down the field, but keep him to field goals. I honestly don't know how the Patriots couldn't do that against them in the second half, but who knows. Maybe it was just destiny.

Well, I don't get the score down here so someone fill me in. I'm sure its boring stuff the coaches told him to say.

Also be careful blitzing Manning too much...he will make you pay. fixed What about Pittsburgh and San Diego last year? They blitzed him quite effectively. If you can conceal the blitzes well, (Which we don't do) and if you can get pressure on him (which doesn't always happen with our blitzes) then there is nothing wrong with blitzing him. In fact, we might have to end up blitzing him. If you cannot get pressure from the front 4, he'll pick your cover 2 apart. You can't sit in a zone against Manning. Pittsburgh and San Diego are both 3-4 defenses. 3-4 defenses have confused the offensive line in the past (see also the Dallas game from this year). The offensive line has never had much of a problem picking up blitzes from even the best 4-3 teams. It's a big thing in Indy before every game-the inevitable question, are they a 4-3 or a 3-4? I'm not saying the offensive line is perfect, but how an offense blocks a 4-3 and a 3-4 is a little different, and all the defenses the Colts have ever had trouble against are 3-4's. This is very true. The problems that Peyton has had in the past have all come from teams that run 3-4 defenses. I'm very afraid he'll pick our defense apart. Of course, I was afraid Drew Brees would, too. So we shall see, we shall see. We'll need another superhuman effort in this one. Don't the Jags run a 4-3 defense? Manning had a hard time with them. Jacksonville tends to run a 3-3-5 against the Colts, but that is probably a pretty good comparison to the Bears (when Jax is totally healthy). They tackle well, and they stop the run well. Manning's never had a problem with pressure against them, it's always been about finding receivers-and the game at Jax his receivers dropped I think 8 passes that day. :roll: That is very rolleyes worthy, bro. The Colts always have problems with the Jags, when was the last time they've scored more than 24 against them? Last year in Week 14 Indy beat Jacksonville 26-18. ETA: Indy also scored 24 points in both games against the Jaguars in 2004 as well. Read my edit above. They've been incredible against Peyton.

Also be careful blitzing Manning too much...he will make you pay. fixed What about Pittsburgh and San Diego last year? They blitzed him quite effectively. If you can conceal the blitzes well, (Which we don't do) and if you can get pressure on him (which doesn't always happen with our blitzes) then there is nothing wrong with blitzing him. In fact, we might have to end up blitzing him. If you cannot get pressure from the front 4, he'll pick your cover 2 apart. You can't sit in a zone against Manning. Pittsburgh and San Diego are both 3-4 defenses. 3-4 defenses have confused the offensive line in the past (see also the Dallas game from this year). The offensive line has never had much of a problem picking up blitzes from even the best 4-3 teams. It's a big thing in Indy before every game-the inevitable question, are they a 4-3 or a 3-4? I'm not saying the offensive line is perfect, but how an offense blocks a 4-3 and a 3-4 is a little different, and all the defenses the Colts have ever had trouble against are 3-4's. This is very true. The problems that Peyton has had in the past have all come from teams that run 3-4 defenses. I'm very afraid he'll pick our defense apart. Of course, I was afraid Drew Brees would, too. So we shall see, we shall see. We'll need another superhuman effort in this one. Don't the Jags run a 4-3 defense? Manning had a hard time with them. Jacksonville tends to run a 3-3-5 against the Colts, but that is probably a pretty good comparison to the Bears (when Jax is totally healthy). They tackle well, and they stop the run well. Manning's never had a problem with pressure against them, it's always been about finding receivers-and the game at Jax his receivers dropped I think 8 passes that day. :roll: That is very rolleyes worthy, bro. The Colts always have problems with the Jags, when was the last time they've scored more than 24 against them? EDIT: In the last 3 years he's scored: 17, 21, 26, 10, 24, 24 against the Jags Very impressive considering the tear he's been on. They've really hedged him in.

It was one helluva game. Mainly you can blame John Kasay. He gets forgotten in all this.

Also be careful blitzing Manning too much...he will make you pay. fixed What about Pittsburgh and San Diego last year? They blitzed him quite effectively. If you can conceal the blitzes well, (Which we don't do) and if you can get pressure on him (which doesn't always happen with our blitzes) then there is nothing wrong with blitzing him. In fact, we might have to end up blitzing him. If you cannot get pressure from the front 4, he'll pick your cover 2 apart. You can't sit in a zone against Manning. Pittsburgh and San Diego are both 3-4 defenses. 3-4 defenses have confused the offensive line in the past (see also the Dallas game from this year). The offensive line has never had much of a problem picking up blitzes from even the best 4-3 teams. It's a big thing in Indy before every game-the inevitable question, are they a 4-3 or a 3-4? I'm not saying the offensive line is perfect, but how an offense blocks a 4-3 and a 3-4 is a little different, and all the defenses the Colts have ever had trouble against are 3-4's. This is very true. The problems that Peyton has had in the past have all come from teams that run 3-4 defenses. I'm very afraid he'll pick our defense apart. Of course, I was afraid Drew Brees would, too. So we shall see, we shall see. We'll need another superhuman effort in this one.

I don't even think Ogunleye should be saying anything. I saw him mimicking the referee's safety signal, and I know he'll celebrate after a sack. Unless you're Barry Sanders and you never celebrate on the field, shut the hell up and quit whining about other people showing you up. Bears fan have no control over what Bears players say/do. So when you come and criticize us for things they do...there isn't much we can do.

Also be careful blitzing Manning too much...he will make you pay. fixed What about Pittsburgh and San Diego last year? They blitzed him quite effectively. If you can conceal the blitzes well, (Which we don't do) and if you can get pressure on him (which doesn't always happen with our blitzes) then there is nothing wrong with blitzing him. In fact, we might have to end up blitzing him. If you cannot get pressure from the front 4, he'll pick your cover 2 apart. You can't sit in a zone against Manning. I wasn't saying don't blitz him...just be careful how it's done... Very true, and it should be a last resort. With Tommie Harris, we wouldn't (hopefully) have to worry about blitzing as much. Oh well. Gotta deal with injuries just like everybody else.

Also be careful blitzing Manning too much...he will make you pay. fixed What about Pittsburgh and San Diego last year? They blitzed him quite effectively. If you can conceal the blitzes well, (Which we don't do) and if you can get pressure on him (which doesn't always happen with our blitzes) then there is nothing wrong with blitzing him. In fact, we might have to end up blitzing him. If you cannot get pressure from the front 4, he'll pick your cover 2 apart. You can't sit in a zone against Manning.

Are you old enough to remember 85'? This is the stuff that makes me feel old, and I am not even that old. 1985 seems like it wasn't that long ago....but it was. Want to feel old? I wasn't even born yet.

If the Bears had been assessed 7 penalties and the Saints only one, I guarantee you the Bears game thread would've been replete with complaints about the officiating. Not saying it was a poorly officiated game - although the one offensive PI call on the Saints was terrible - but that's the truth. I understand that its tough being outnumbered 300-1 by Bears fans on a forum, but you've grown to be incredibly rough with them. EDIT: Actually, going back to the NFC Championship game, I just found you hunting for a fight. Nice job Truffle. You're no better than a troll. I've lost all respect for you. Sweet, Truffle can join me as a troll on the board. Excellent. Glad to have company now. 8-) I'm incensed to not be in such elite trollish company. :wink: Forgot about you. Always with that damn pro Notre Dame agenda. You're in. Maybe I should start a thread for all us trolls to converse amongst ourselves. A "Stupid Trolls" thread perhaps. I tried to say something to Truffle but then I saw that he earlier just went in a Bears thread and out-of-the-blue just started asking for trouble " Well if Devin Hester did that earlier, blah blah blah..." C'mon. It wasn't even talked about until he brought it up again. Sometimes people look for negative attention. You know it. Get over yourselves. Just because someone is a fan of a non-Bears team doesn't mean he can do no wrong. Sure you guys catch a lot of flak, but that doesn't mean you guys can get away with anything. Truffle was pointing out that Devin Hester celebrated the same way (sans flip) against the Rams on one of his kick returns and that some Bears fans who ripped into Reggie Bush and call him classless for what he did, praise Devin Hester (not all Bears fans do this but some do). Watch this video. On both returns Hester does a Deion strut the last few yards to the endzone and then dances after he scores the touchdown. On the second return he points backwards while he's still running. Now, besides Bush's flip, please tell me what the difference is between Hester's celebration and Bush's. Missed the point, but whatever. Its over. I've already rubbed shoulders with you guys, so I shouldn't try to win you guys back. I feel bad about it, but thats the way it is.

If the Bears had been assessed 7 penalties and the Saints only one, I guarantee you the Bears game thread would've been replete with complaints about the officiating. Not saying it was a poorly officiated game - although the one offensive PI call on the Saints was terrible - but that's the truth. I understand that its tough being outnumbered 300-1 by Bears fans on a forum, but you've grown to be incredibly rough with them. EDIT: Actually, going back to the NFC Championship game, I just found you hunting for a fight. Nice job Truffle. You're no better than a troll. I've lost all respect for you. Sweet, Truffle can join me as a troll on the board. Excellent. Glad to have company now. 8-) I'm incensed to not be in such elite trollish company. :wink: Forgot about you. Always with that damn pro Notre Dame agenda. You're in. Maybe I should start a thread for all us trolls to converse amongst ourselves. A "Stupid Trolls" thread perhaps. I tried to say something to Truffle but then I saw that he earlier just went in a Bears thread and out-of-the-blue just started asking for trouble " Well if Devin Hester did that earlier, blah blah blah..." C'mon. It wasn't even talked about until he brought it up again. Sometimes people look for negative attention. You know it. Get over yourselves. Just because someone is a fan of a non-Bears team doesn't mean he can do no wrong. Sure you guys catch a lot of flak, but that doesn't mean you guys can get away with anything.

I'm a bigger fan of this one, but it might be too big for an avatar. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/m_scafide/thatpepsigirl2.gif WHo is this girl, and why does she like Pepsi so much? :lol: