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You boys think that A-rod is going to break 800 homers in his career by the end of it?

Not quite sure if Rufus will be there in round 2 for us. I'll be pissed if we take a TE, we didn't lose the Superbowl because of poor TE play. Yeah, I doubt it too. Before the workouts, though, we're all throwing darts. Clark was one of the more productive TE's in the league last year. Doubt we'll pick a TE. Especially considering we didn't last year. Exactly. When Clark wasn't doing anything and there were multiple late-first round TEs possible, the Bears ignored the position. Don't see them addressing it now with Clark coming off a good season. Al lot of people have us taking Greg Olsen. As talented as that boy is, and boy is he talented, I don't see us picking him up. I wouldn't be surprised if we take a WR someone in the middle of the draft. Anthony Gonzalez? Not a burner, not huge, but has great hands, runs great routes and overall is just a nice player. Everyone heaped praise on Ginn, but he probably was their best receiver.

I would both agree and disagree with this statement. Most of the problem is his awful games, yes. If he could turn those into average games, he'd be a much better QB. At the same time, there are some games that aren't mentioned in his awful games or even close where Grossman had a low completion percentage. Minn (first game)-56% Seattle-54.8% Giants-60% Jets-50% STL-56.5% Det (second game)-55.5% Seattle-55.2% NOR-42.3% None of these games are mentioned under awful rex, but they are all poor completion percentage games (really with the exception of the Giants game, but I threw that one in there for comparison). Now, a QB can survive some poor completion percentage games-I'm not saying that he had bad games in all of these games, or even most of them (in fact, in a couple of them he was quite good). It's not just the awful games that are bringing his completion percentage way down though-his average games would have him around a 55-56 percent anyway, which needs to improve if he's not at all a threat to run either. Otherwise, defenses will do like the Colts did-rush only 4 each play, drop 7 back in coverage, take away the deep ball, and make Grossman dink and dunk for small gains and see if he can move the chains that way. :-\ I'm just gonna blame the playcalling for holding his completion percentage back. He's by no means one of the most accurate QB's ever, but Turner doesn't call a game that will lead to 65% completions. EDIT: Unless you count the Superbowl where he decided he didn't want firstdowns.

If there really is a God, he wont let this happen.

Embarrassing is right, that was just dreadful. I'm ashamed to be a Bulls fan after that performance. Jesus. The Tyrus Thomas injury screamed out to me. Maybe people need to stop showing off so much and just put the ball in the basket?

CubsColtsPacers, its a little too easy to say a blanket statement like "he's got to improve his completion percentage" I hate hate hate to use the "Good Rex" "Bad Rex" terminology, but his relatively low completion percentage stems completely from his inconsistent games. Like he said before, he has 12 games he's really proud of and 5-6 games he really would like back, and in those 12 games when he's on he has a fine completion percentage. I also am of the opinion that those 5 "bad" games aren't completely his fault. (Though he seems to lack the ability to "cut his losses" and turn a bad game into just a mediocre one) I also like the points brought up by others concerning the offense we run and the high Y/P/C that Grossman has.

The Illini are looking real good *woop* Rivals 16th in the nation, 3rd in the Big 10 behind the big two. I saw Juice Williams in the dining hall a couple weeks back. ...

Oh I see, we are starting players based on their Cy Young voting. Lets pick up David Eckstein while we're at it, he's got a World Series MVP so I can't see how he can fail.

remember when they said that last year and the NL won the WS. why do think Prior has the key over someone like Miller who was once a Cy Yong candidate? How does a World Series win negate what he said? The Cardinals were an average team last year, and got on a hot streak in the playoffs. 83 wins is impressive to you? If anything, the Cardinals winning the World Series just proves how much of a wide open NL it truly is.

The Illini are looking real good *woop*

I love David Carr. I think he's a great talent. I'd love him on the Bears, but I would never in a million years pay him that salary and trade the talent it would take to get him. Seems like a 3rd or 4th rounder might be all it takes, which isn't that steep (though JA's 3rd rounders are gold). Trade a 3rd rounder for Carr, then ship off Rex or Griese for a late draft pick to make up for it. Rex would probably be easier to ship off, with Griese's contract lasting 4 more years and Grossman's just one. Plus, we'd have to open up #8 for Carr ;) I'd take Boller over Carr for a 3rd rounder IMO. I wouldn't.

???? DAVID CARR IS THE BEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO THE TEXANS Their [expletive] fans can't comprehend that the team around him is double atrocious. 68.3% COMPLETION PERCENTAGE? Thats 15% better than Grossman. Give me that. Give me that right now. We win the Superbowl by default.

As much as I like Grossman, if we had McNabb on our team and every other position was the same (say we only gave up draft picks for him) we'd be LOCKS for the Superbowl.

On the contrary, I believe it would be a fantastic trade by the giants, they would be getting return on a player that they not only dont own, but one that is the best player on one of their chief rivals. Wow that was a brain fart, all that talk about Eli manning screwed with my brain.

Don't misunderstand me, I want Rex starting next year, but lets talk about these rumors: McNabb to the Bears would either be a really [expletive] trade by the Giants, or so cost effective on the Bears side that we wouldn't have half the team we had this year. What about someone like Byron Leftwich? Well, again, cost effective, and how much of an improvement is he over Grossman? If Grossman is going to replaced theres someone on the roster already. I would like to see us pick a mid-range QB though, its alawys smart to stockpile those guys.

The Bears wouldn't have been in the Super Bowl without Grossman this year. He's not ideal by any stretch. But Griese sure as hell isn't a sure thing for glory. I agree Griese wouldn't be better. But I don't think mediocre is ok just because we don't have anything better when we're going into the offseason now, and can try to get something better. I understand our options are limited, but I think Angelo has to look at all of those options and figure out if Rex really is the best option. I'm not sure he is. There's no obvious free agent option. There's no chance of a near-term solution via the draft. The Bears need to put 100% of their QB efforts behind making Rex better. Or at the most, put some of that into drafting a future QB in the middle rounds. But barring any miracle situation where they discover a diamond in the rough off somebody else's bench, Grossman is the QB. Yeah, I guess I just don't like the "there's no other choice" argument. I know there's injury concerns, but if you could get Byron Leftwich for say a 4th or 5th round pick, would you do it? i'd stay away from leftwich... Honestly, Leftwich would be a kinda nice fantasy option in a world without any other worries. He's got a huge arm so he can rifle stuff to Berrian and some of the other speedy guys, is really accurate. Problem is, his mobility is much much worse than Grossman's, fumbles a bit, and probably is more injury prone than Grossman.

Definitely. I also think we should take a mid-round waiver on a QB, not because I want him to replace Grossman, but because its a smart thing to do every couple years. I don't want Grossman replaced, but if he is, why is everyone ignoring Brian Griese? He probably has the skillset that all you ninny's want. He's accurate and is a little wussy so he'll limit his picks. He also will never win you a game. Why take JaMarcus Russel when you got this guy on your bench for millions a year? changed

Agreed. The offensive gameplan in general was pretty bad. We didn't move the ball at all. And Grossman was something like 10-12 in the first quarter. What was up with that?

I was laughing about that as well. I think either of teh running backs deserved the MVP over Manning.

Chico and Turner can walk for all I care. help me and tell me why.... :shock: If any team hires Ron Turner, God bless them. Seconded He called a pretty meh superbowl, I haven't liked his gameplans....since we've had him. Oh well.

What happens if bonuses like that push you over the cap or something?

Those are shockingly appropriate. Hopefully they don't turn out true of course.

Let's go Bears! Kick the Colts back to Baltimore!!!! That would just make a lot of people happy.

Simmons picked us. Usually I wouldn't be in favor of that asshat supporting our team, but keep this in mind. His favorite team has won 3 out of the last 5 superbowls. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070202