Andy

As a Carolina fan, I'm totally in favor of Tampa continuing to play Simms and passing on Quinn in the draft this year.

Unfortunately, there's probably a reason for that. If it weren't for Mid-American conference officiating, the blatant home-court reffing advantage would be the most embarrassing thing about college basketball.

My favorite Masur moment is really a Ronnie moment. I forget when this was, I think July 2004 or so against the Mets. Masur was doing the play by play and Ron, who had evidently come from the bathroom, put his headset on and asked "What happened?" live on-air, as there was already an out. Masur explained that Alou had caught a fly ball in left field.

Also, Joe Thomas won't fall past the 4th pick, Leon Hall probably won't get to 15, and Anthony Spencer of Purdue is a late 1st rounder at best. A lot of people are now projecting that Quinn may snowball down to 9th, though.

"To be honest, we were trying to foul." - Jerry Wainwright on the play where Falls was tackled to the ground and DePaul got the game-winning breakaway dunk out of the deal

No, guys that announced verbal commitments to you and then change their mind with no explanation on signing day don't happen at every school. When was the last time you heard of that happening? Enlighten me. Robert Meachem (I know you know him) was an OU verbal before pulling out on signing day and signing with Tennessee. Nic Harris was a Michigan verbal before signing with OU on signing day. These are just two, one that happened against OU and one that happened for us. And it took me two seconds to think of it. It happens all the time. Well, fair enough. Anyway, it's never happened to Weis before, and as we've found out, he'll talk about anything. Regardless of the Littles and Trattou, everyone but Scout still ranked ND as a top-10 class this year (Scout had it 11th), so my grapes needn't be too sour. In a couple of years the gulf between us and USC will still be wide, but it won't be insurmountable.

Harangody is a very good free throw shooter, I believe about 80 percent. For whatever that's worth. I said a week ago to other people that ND shouldn't lose more than 1 more game. Since then they've lost two. If they lose more than one more, and then lose in the BE Tournament, that'll give the committee all the excuse they need to bounce us.

Weis wasn't the only one that said Cumbie wasn't being truthful. I forgot about that scumbag move by Cumbie. And if you can explain to me why recruiting a guy who previously verballed to you is wrong, I'd appreciate hearing it. And the "Cheeseburger Charlie" thing - uncreative and completely uncalled for. The man nearly died trying to fix that problem through surgery. But please, go on with the disrespectful fat jokes. Ridiculous. No, guys that announced verbal commitments to you and then change their mind with no explanation on signing day don't happen at every school. When was the last time you heard of that happening? Enlighten me. And no one hates ND because they don't accomplish anything. You (and by you I mean ND-haters, not you specifically) hate ND because the media, knowing that, for better or worse, ND will sell newspapers/magazines/Web columns/trash bags/whatever, constantly talks about ND. You hate ND because, through no inherent fault of their own, the stupid-ass people at ESPN, etc. rank them consistently higher than they should be ranked. You hate ND because they won't join a conference, even though if someone offered your team the same deal ND has, with, say, ABC dollars and little problem getting a full schedule together each year, you would blow a load talking about how quickly they should accept it, the 'integrity of being in a conference' be damned. Granted, there are those that may have different reasons (having dealt with a jerk ND fan, of which there are far too many, or perhaps a bad experience with the university itself), but more or less, that seems to be the general case. When did this "not accomplishing anything" thing start, anyway? As recently as 2004, ND had beaten two top 10 teams, one on the road, in one season. There wasn't an NSBB in 2002, so I was unable to gain an outside perspective, but I wonder if there was this much anger in our direction when we were having that magical (and super-lucky) 8-0 run in 2002.

Obscenities that are inappropriate for NSBB. The refs stole this fricking game.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? DePaul pretty much yanks Falls to the ground, grabs the ball and scores to go up 1 with 16 seconds. If we lose this game because of that ridiculousness...

Up 1 with 27 seconds to play, Tory Jackson (who hit the 3 that has us up right now) just got fouled.

ND up 2 with 4 minutes to play...

Screw Wilson Chandler and DePaul. They're playing out of their minds right now.

As was said right above, the attacks on Weis are in regards to his hypocricy. He denounces recruits for backing out on verbal commitments when he is out trying to get recruits to do just that. I know it goes on. We all do. Almost every school continues to recruit the players they want even after verbal commitments. Everyone realizes that nothing is final until a name is signed on the LOI. What makes Weis a whiner and a hypocrite is he tries to act all wronged by these boys while at the same time, he's trying to get others just like them to back out of commitments. He should do what he does, fine...but quit bitching like a teenage girl when the same crap bites him on that rather large posterior. Ok, this'll be the last time I try to make this clear. He's not whining about guys breaking their commitments alone, he was whining - very justifiably - about the manner in which the Littles (particularly Greg) did it. The crap GL pulled on us was right on the level of Irsay moving the Colts to Indianapolis overnight - a total snow job.

I think Weis is getting hit harder because he complained publicly, and he probably should be getting hit harder right now. Of course, the level of hatred being spewed right now is...puzzling, but Weis should be getting criticized the most right now. Well, of course Urban didn't complain publicly, I don't recall any recruit doing to Florida what Florida did to other teams. Oh, well. I like having an outspoken coach, but this is the other side of the coin.

Also, why the severe lack of Urban Meyer hate? This guy was engaging in underhanded sleazy recruit-stealing on a level much higher than anyone else this year, and he stole recruits from many of this board's favorite teams.

The irony is delicious. Posts like this are what create all the discussion to begin with.

I'm beginning to wonder if any of you ND-haters on this board read. The Louisville player we got decommitted after the coaching change. The Iowa player we got wanted to come to ND all along, just never had an offer - Kirk Ferentz pretty much admitted as much. Once he was offered (because ND lost out on other players it wanted more at the time, and because Corwin Brown's new scheme as DC made Brian Smith a much better fit), he committed pretty much immediately. I don't know the circumstances of the SC player we got, but considering Steve Spurrier's been pissing on Notre Dame ever since we kicked his ass in the 1992 Sugar Bowl, right down to lowballing us in every coaches' poll every year for no apparent reason, I'm not exactly crying for him. I've explained the first two of those situations already, but I guess the "different situations" tag you just gave to Chris Little don't apply if it gives you guys a chance to trash Charlie or ND. (Also of note: Weis said the two decommits on NSD were completely different situations. My guess is, he's not that mad at Chris, since there were other factors in his decision. But Greg L. decommitted from us not until NSD - while leading everyone at ND to believe he was still coming as late as the night before - and with no explanation.)

Terrorist. Just kidding, welcome aboard Albert

I thought you bumped a thread from early 2004

What's up with Dan Morgan? I'm going to merge this with the existing NFL Draft thread. About a billion concussions, missed last season and may never play again. Damn shame too, he was really good.

Some mocks have us taking Willis. I like him, and I don't like our LBs, so that sounds like a dang good fit to me.

Read my prior posts. If you haven't, read them again. No one's saying decommitting is a terrible thing by itself. Weis is annoyed because these two kids never sacked up and told him they were considering anyone else, let alone that they would be going elsewhere. Greg Little was telling people he was coming to ND as recently as the night before NSD. And with Arrelious Benn, he's annoyed that he's trying to drag ND through the mud for recruiting him post-Illinois commitment. As if ND were the only ones. As for USC, if they're blowing out ND for the next 10 years, that means they're blowing out everyone, because our classes the last two years are by far the most impressive of their regular opponents. This is where I like Jimmy Clausen. Say what you want about the limo thing, but he never wavered once he'd decided to come to ND. Jimmy's father went as far to tell Weis he needn't continue recruiting Jimmy because they were on board, no questions asked. I have a feeling that kid is much more classy than anyone is willing to admit. A NY Times article today tries to float the possibility that ND is behind the accusations toward Illinois re: recruiting practices. In the same article, there are two different Big 10 coaches that basically flat-out accuse Illinois. Typical mainstream media work there. All this said, if you truly believe Weis is "the lowest form of scum", there's no convincing you otherwise, I'm sure, ditto anyone else who feels that way.

Most reports I've seen, say that if Quinn drops to Miami at #9 they will be forced to take him or trade down to a team that really wants him. Carolina...ahem...Carolina...

There's one Cardinals game on CSN+...there needs to be a rule against that kind of thing happening.