That's not the choice. Most first pitches are not great pitches to hit. Well, I agree that most first pitches aren't great pitches to hit. But that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I said that it's stupid to take pitches just for the sake of taking pitches. What are the benefits of doing so that you spoke of? I think the contention here isn't about whether or not to swing at good first pitches. If a pitch is a great one to hit, you should probably swing at it in just about any situation. However, I think what Goony was saying is that taking pitches, in a generalized, decontextualized sense, has intrinsic value. First, it runs up pitch counts, which we've already mentioned and discussed. Secondly, though, it allows you and your team to see more of the pitcher, and see which pitches are working and which aren't. Thirdly, the more pitches you take, the more pitches you'll see. And the more pitches you see, on average, the more good pitches to hit you'll see, for two reasons: one is the obvious; if we assume a certain percentage of all pitches are "good" pitches, then the more pitches we see overall, the more "good" pitches we'll see, just as a matter of percentages; the second is that once you get deeper in the count, you're more likely to run into hitter's pitches. And lastly, taking pitches leads to more walks, which we'd all agree can be helpful. Sorry for the treatise; I'm just trying to point out why taking pitches, on the whole, is a good thing to do. None of this is to say, though, that you shouldn't swing at flat fastballs over the heart of the plate or hanging breaking balls up in the zone. Obviously players should swing at those in any count.