And thats YOUR opinion. I disagree with that. Is that ok? If you want to be wrong, sure. Im not wrong, and you're not right either. Depends on how a person judges a pitcher. I judge a pitcher by Wins, IP, BAA, WHIP, and the number of starts(30-35). And I'll take Pitching Runs Created along with date of birth, height, weight, and eye color and would still have a better idea who was the better pitcher. I know more about pitching than you do. So I highly doubt you could judge a pitcher better than me. I know more about internet technologies, message boards, etc. than you. So I really think you should stop posting. What the hell are you talking about? It was about your holier than thou, I know more than you do crap. It's tired, it really shows your immaturity, and it definitely needs to stop. Vance is allowed to have an opinion on pitching even though he isn't one (and he is correct by the way), and you shouldn't act so arrogant in your defense of your opinion. You DON'T know more about pitching than hundreds if not thousands of people who share the same opinion that Vance has. Once again, most of us played baseball. Many of us played college ball, some probably even professionally. A lot of us have been playing and coaching successfully for a lot longer than you have been alive. Get off the high horse and defend your opinions with facts.