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Is Petersen just getting reps that Jones would normally get today? I don't have the game on tv, so I'm trying to figure out of Forte is alright.

Here's the next big NFL trade I'd like to see: AP- Arizona and St. Louis agreed in principle to trade team nicknames, since neither one of them currently make sense for their respective regions.

You must have missed the memo. MLB announced earlier today that Thanksgiving is getting pushed back 10 days, also.

I really hate being a conspiracy theorist, but I do have to wonder why there has been absolutely no talk about Jake Peavy lately. The Braves seem to be talking to the Rangers about Padilla and Millwood. I was reading an Oakland A's blog (clicked a link on MLBTR) and it was a pretty well documented article that explained (in the eyes of the blogger) how poorly Kevin Towers has handled this whole Peavy fiasco. Granted, Peavy has tied the hands of Padres ownership with this NTC, but because everyone knows this, everyone is walking on egg shells as far as what they are willing to offer. At the same time all of this is going on, Padres ownership spit in the face of their HOF closer Trevor Hoffman with their poorly executed negotiations. The latest rumor I've heard was that the Padres may now put the originally offered contract back on the table for Hoffman as a way to save face with that relationship. Meanwhile part deaux, The Padres picked up the option for Brian Giles, the biggest contract the Padres were shelling out for the '09 season. The Padres could try to trade Giles, but Giles has already stated that he will not waive his NTC to go ANYWHERE. To trim the payroll in half as Moores has pretty much eluded to, Giles, Hoffman, Greene and Peavy needed to be traded or let go. Peavy was the only one with a guaranteed contract of the 3 for 2009. Giles did hint that he might be willing to go to a team that has a chance to win, but it sounded more like he was talking about 2010 rather than 2009. So, just for fun, I offer this crazy little trade, since it doesn't appear as though the Padres will get anything significant for Greene or Giles, and not enough for Peavy. Cubs get Peavy, Greene and Giles (approximately 25m in payroll for 2009) Padres get Marquis, Theriot, Pie, Marshall, Castillo and Hart (Cubs pick up 3m of Marquis' contract). Soriano Giles Lee Ramirez Soto DeRosa Fukudome Greene Bench: Johnson, Fontenot, Cedeno, Hoffpauir, Blanco/other backup C SP Peavy Zambrano Harden Dempster Lilly With this trade, the Padres fill all their roster holes. LF Headley CF Pie RF Gerut 3b Kouzmanoff SS Theriot 2b E. Gonzalez/Antonelli 1b Gonzalez C Hundley SP: Young, Marquis, Marshall, Baek, 5th starter from a plethora of choices within their crappy system. Cubs add 20m to payroll and Padres skim 20m from payroll. And the savings from last year's payroll of Edmonds, Maddux, Iguchi, Hoffman, Wolf, Bard and Barrett, they should reach their goal and they'd actually have some money to spend to fill a hole or two where it is warranted. If Greene and Peavy were going to be traded, it's possible that Giles might be willing to waive his NTC to be a part of the trade. The Orioles turned down Khalil Greene for Garrett Olson. In other words, Towers has played all of his cards and no one is taking them seriously. But, from everything we have read, Hendry has been the one guy who has continued to show interest, even if it appears as though he too has started to move on. Cubs don't seem to be big players for Furcal. Nor do they seem to be enthralled with any of the FA lefty hitting outfielders, especially if they cost draft picks. Wood has already been shown the door, and Peavy has been rumored to favor pitching for the Cubs. Do the Cubs have 20m lying around? I'm guessing they do if they move Marquis. Greene and Giles only have contracts through this next season. That's my crazy trade thought of the day. I'm sure I'll sour on it in an hour or two.

oh yeah they did I wasn't here, but that's just so hard to believe. Really? I don't think it's that black and white. I was very hopeful that Bobby Hill was going to be the answer at 2b. You have to remember that the Cubs were running a whole host of crappy 2b's out there on a regular basis. I didn't want Bobby Hill included in the trade. But, it was more to the fact that the Cubs gave the Pirates 3 guys to pick from as the PTBNL, and Hill was just one of the rumored 3 choices. I want to say that the other two were Steve Smyth and the third was Francis Beltran. Brownie points for me for remembering if those were the actual 3. I also want to say that the Pirates already had Freddie Sanchez (and another 2b prospect that was considered a top prospect at the time) and their pitching was a disaster, so the hope was that Steve Smyth would be the PTBNL. I was enamored with Aramis in Pittsburgh, and was thrilled we got him so cheap. It sucked that it costed Bobby Hill, but Aramis>>>>>>>>Bobby Hill then, and Aramis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bobby Hill now. ETA: Sanchez was traded to the Pirates on July 31, '03. The Aramis trade was made a week before that. However, the PTBNL (Hill) didn't go to Pittsburgh until August 15th. Looks like Jose Castillo was the prospect at the time.

Haha.

a lot of people, myself included, said that last offseason and if we had actually swapped the two, the anger around here throughout the season would have been incredible This is true. The scary thing to me is that I honestly don't think Theriot can maintain anything close to the AVG he put up in '08, and when you couple that in with the extremely low number of XBH's and his poor range defensively, you end up with one of the worst SS's in MLB. I watched a lot of games. It seems like most of Theriot's hits are seeing eye single's that were just out of the reach of an infielder and usually the 2b. I guess if the only way to get Peavy were to also take Greene, I'd make that deal. Otherwise, I doubt Hendry really has much interest in Greene considering he's not a lefty outfielder.

I'm not really sure what happened to Greene in 2008, but Greene had more HR's in 2007 than Theriot had XBH's in 2008. Defensively, there isn't anyone I'd rather have at SS in the major leagues than Khalil Greene. I'm not really sure how to feel about him after his disastrous '07 campaign. But, I'd rather have Greene than Theriot.

Welcome to the forum. I'm hoping for a little more from Dempster than Esteban Loiaza, but I understand the skepticism. I'll also be upset if they don't get Peavy. I'm also confused as to why they made a trade with the Marlins when the clear favorite trade chip the Marlins had was Hermida.

I like RJ better. But, that's factoring in that their one year deal would be within a couple million of each other.

The Philles plan as of now is to move there Top prospect over to Second this spring for a tryout , he has been playing 2b and ss in the AFL. They have had talks about bringing back So Taughci to handle 2B like he did during other Utley injury spells. You probably meant Tadahito Iguchi. Kendrick might be a half way decent combo with Marshall for San Diego's rotation. I would imagine that the Phillies are probably ready to give Carlos Carrasco a chance at the big league level at this point, making Kendrick expendable. Realistically, very few teams are willing to trade their "Tommy Hanson's" to other teams for expensive alternatives, so if Towers was expecting a "Tommy Hanson type prospect in return, it's probably shooting a bit too high. I'm sure the reason the Yankees were a team Towers has interest was due to Phil Hughes. Not gonna happen, once again. Ian Kennedy, sure. Kei Igawa. Most likely. Joba Chamberlain? Not a chance.

If anyone has interest in any of these players, feel free to PM me to discuss trades. I have several players that I would love to keep, but just don't have room due to the 10 player limit. Several have exemptions remaining. Things could change before February 14th, but my current keeper list going into 2009 is: Matt Holliday, Brandon Webb, Roy Oswalt, James Shields, Geovany Soto, Stephen Drew, Jacoby Ellsbury, Ian Stewart, Alexei Ramirez and Alex Gordon. That leaves these exempt pitchers available for trade: Ubaldo Jimenez Johnny Cueto Carlos Marmol And my list of players who don't fit within the cap: Milton Bradley Carlos Pena BJ Upton Javier Vasquez Vernon Wells Randy Johnson Since I really can't keep any of these guys, I'd let them go on the cheap. I'm also open to trade discussions for any of my keepers. I also have about 300 points of cap space.

I'm not giving up, and I would hope Hendry wouldn't, either. I can appreciate a comment like "we can't afford Milton Bradley, or Bobby Abreu". But when a guy like Peavy is available, you make room in your budget, even if it means someone has to go. The rumors that have floated around was that the Cubs could get Dempster AND Peavy, and another one was the Cubs could get Dempster and Randy Johnson. Hendry was quoted directly as still having interest in Peavy, so I'm not going to take much stock in anything Muskat writes on the subject.

Yes. Damn those Cubs and their rotten fans for winning the World Series every year. If a trade makes a team better, they shouldn't let the division or league they play in get in the way of making that trade.

Older than Richard Hidalgo, himself.

I don't see how he would clear waivers. Too many teams need pitching, and Hill is the kind of guy people would gamble on. That he throws with his left hand just makes him that much more appealing.

I'd rule out Abreu at this point. The Yankees are offering him arbitration, thus making Abreu much less valuable.

Payroll relief. Ellsbury is probably ready to play CF everyday with this move, and it frees up money to outbid the Yankees for a SP. But that's why they got rid of Crisp, which I understand. But why Ramirez in return? Cheap bullpen help is always a good thing. They weren't going to get much for Crisp.

Payroll relief. Ellsbury is probably ready to play CF everyday with this move, and it frees up money to outbid the Yankees for a SP.

Jesus.

Forget it. There is obviously no reasoning with you.

How can he screw up something that was never clsoe to happening? Peavy to the Cubs has always been a long shot. You're acting like he could have him right now if he wanted, which is not true. Something that was not close to happening? Let me see..... The Cubs were one of 5 teams that had a chance at Peavy. Then they were one of 4 teams. Then they were one of 3 teams. Then they were one of 2 teams. Then they were one of 1 teams. But, yeah, you're right. It was never close to happening. :roll: Umm, wasn't "not close to happening" an exact quote from Towers multiple times? He just said in that radio interview a couple days ago that the Cubs don't have the pieces and that it would take a 3rd or 4th team, and that it would be very complicated and would take a while. So that is close? Riigghhhhhhhtttt. The fact that the Cubs were one of the few teams talking with Towers about Peavy does in no way mean something was close. Come on. Excuse me. But let's not change your exact quote of "never close to happening" to "not close to happening". When you were the only team bargaining with the Padres, you cannot toss around the term "never close to happening".

How can he screw up something that was never clsoe to happening? Peavy to the Cubs has always been a long shot. You're acting like he could have him right now if he wanted, which is not true. Something that was not close to happening? Let me see..... The Cubs were one of 5 teams that had a chance at Peavy. Then they were one of 4 teams. Then they were one of 3 teams. Then they were one of 2 teams. Then they were one of 1 teams. But, yeah, you're right. It was never close to happening. :roll:

What is this? The 2007 offseason? Did I step into a time machine? Where am I? What the heck is going on here? Who are you? What did you do with my bologne sammich?

If Hendry somehow screws up this Peavy deal, he will officially be dead to me.