Prove it. Also, GO SAMMY! Corks to start (I still supported him through that one, BTW). And that "prove it" nonsense is no argument at all. It essentially responds to the argument by saying "That's what you think." It ignores substantial circumstantial evidence that points to him have used substances he shouldn't have. You and I both know what I am talking about, so I won't bother repeating all of it. :roll: I was going to write something but there is obviously no point. The good thing is that you aren't biased; I mean your user name reveals you to be highly objective. Appreciate the eye roll by the way. Look, I have much love for my heros too - look at my user name. And I loved Sammy intensely for a good many years - I was there for his 60th dong in 98' and cheered my head off. But if I am going to be intellectually honest with myself I have to deal with the fact that there is evidence to indicate Sammy used performance enhancing substances. Can I show you a pic of him shooting up? Of course not. But I can show you: - That he was substantially bigger prior to the Congressional hearings. - That his performance and skills eroded incredibly quickly thereafter - That he was incredibly smaller when he first came up with the Rangers and Sox. - That he dodged and refused to meet head-on Rick Reilly's arrogant attempts at cornering him. - That he all of a sudden couldn't understand english when Congress wanted to ask him questions about the issue. - Etc., etc. It doesn't make me happy to feel this way, but I can't ignore it either.