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Sure but, when, if ever, has Pace shown any kind of such logic? What you're saying is something strategic and tactical Pace has not even hinted at knowing how to do these things.

If the price tag isn't too steep OK but, Pace, no, he's going to get taken to the cleaners, bidding against himself.

Just sucks, we all knew he was going to horsefeathers things up, make a terrible trade and it's happening, of course.

Ok, so, they've traded for Watson, how about letting Robinson walk and signing Allen Lazard? Lazard' an Allen Robinson' type with a much smaller price tag, could form a decent WR duo with Mooney. Lazard is an exclusive rights free agent, which means he is like a pre arb baseball player, where his team can offer him league minimum and he has no choice but to accept it. Did not know that, thank you, so, scratch Lazard, cannot see why Packers wouldn't offer league minimum. I'm certain Robinson' gone, I'd be looking for someone young, cheap who could approximate Robinson plus the draft.

They did not, I was just go along with the premise of the message you know, the part about Foles beating out Watson for starting QB. Watson will never be a Bear, I know this, however, doesn't hurt to speculate. bummer, I got all excited As you have probably said and I'm saying we all know nothing good is going to come of this Bears being big players in the QB market. Guessing another iteration of GM and HC will be the most probable outcome.

they did? They did not, I was just go along with the premise of the message you know, the part about Foles beating out Watson for starting QB. Watson will never be a Bear, I know this, however, doesn't hurt to speculate.

Looking forward to Watson losing the camp battle to Foles this summer while Pace is on the hot seat. Ok, so, they've traded for Watson, how about letting Robinson walk and signing Allen Lazard? Lazard' an Allen Robinson' type with a much smaller price tag, could form a decent WR duo with Mooney.

Be a better option than Jimmy G, would not require a first rounder perhaps, multiple, like two, at most, middle round picks? The linked story's entire premise is based on getting two 1sts so the Raiders could flip them for Watson. Pace is desperate so trading a 1st for Carr is very within the realm of possibility.

Be a better option than Jimmy G, would not require a first rounder perhaps, multiple, like two, at most, middle round picks?

It's a certainty he'll give the most for the least. I'm thinking something like multiple picks to Niners for Jimmy G the week before he' was going to be released because they acquired Watson or some such terrible transaction.

How do the young D assets of the Jets or Dolphins line up to Smith and Johnson? I don't know, it's kind of tough. Based on the sneak peak we got of the D without Smith and Johnson, I'm not sure the team would be that much better, even with an improved offense. Marginally so perhaps, but they Bears would run low on options to build the D. Are they a division round team instead of a wildcard team, maybe? I don't have the answer to either question but they'd have the most important building block in place. So that alone pushes me into the "dooooooo iiiiiit" camp. You're just never gonna win a ring without one and you're probably not getting one at 20 this year. Although Pace will be 100% willing to trade whatever it takes to get his guy as well being in his last year. Honestly I imagine both teams could put a comparable player pkg together. Tom could probably weigh in on that. That shoulder of Johnson is damn scary to me, as an aside. He flashed star upside no doubt but how often will he actually be available? Personally I don't think we're getting Watson. With Stafford off the board and Watson not a realistic option what does that mean for Bears? Pace is going to do something, I've a feeling it's destined to be something horsefeathering awful.

In theory, but you get Watson and you have the best QB in the NFC under 32. And we are literally seeing right now what happens when you replace negative value QB play with top 5 QB play. Tampa was 7-9 with Winston and now is in the Superbowl. Granted, they didn't have to trade their early draft picks to get Brady. Where the Bears pick, drafting their own QB probably isn't possible without a move up. If they don't go into the draft with a legit franchise QB, it probably means they are going to trade this and next year's 1st round pick to move up for a QB. You're talking 1 more 1st rounder and some other pieces for a proven top 5 guy. The Cutler trade didn't set the Bears a step behind. Not properly surrounding him with talent on offense w/ the resources they did have did. And frankly, Cutler probably wasn't quite good enough. Definitely not a top 5 QB like Watson is. And Tampa is gonna get bum-rushed by KC, a team that drafted its own QB. It sure feels like five years after a Watson trade, we'll be saying "it's not his fault, he just doesn't have the cast around him." Just like we did with Cutler and Mack. I mean, I'll be excited if they do it. But I really just want to draft a successful QB of our own just once. Watson and Stafford are not realistic options for the Bears, I just don't believe they've the resources to make a trade for either. So that leaves everyone else or draft a QB, while I do not have much confidence Pace and Nagy will get it right, drafting a QB may be the correct route. I thought it bad but, a trade for Tua is almost like drafting a QB. Once in my lifetime I'd like to see the Bears with the QB who manhandles the rest of the NFC North most especially, one who abuses the Packers. It could happen, the Cubs won the WS, this could happen as well.

When you think about it, it's exactly what Pace would do, checks the horsefeathers up the present and future boxes. That wouldn't do a damn thing to F up the future. Either way it still the exact kind of dumb ass trade Pace would make.

When you think about it, it's exactly what Pace would do, checks the horsefeathers up the present and future boxes.

That's a steep price with such a cost you've got to be certain you're getting back a franchise QB not merely a good QB. It's all academic anyway, a Jimmy G, Marcus Mariottta, Tyrod Talyor type is who the Bears will end up with.

Seconded on the OT, all starts with the OL.

Weren't there whispers of the defense abusing Mitch in practice? That is doing things like showing one look but, go another on the snap, etc. confusing the hell out of him? sure, but there were also the highlights of him hitting guys in stride down the sidelines against Fuller. Not to mention, anytime the practice D got the better of a rookie/2nd year quarterback it just fell back to "wow, the Bears have an AWESOME D!" and they did in 2018 Just for the hell of it I looked at some pre-draft scouting reports of Mitch and it's all there - strong arm but, struggles with downfield accuracy, questionable footwork, trouble recognizing disguised overages, good scrambler - once again just what the hell was so special that Pace HAD to draft him?

It wasn't a publicly discussed issue, it was a person in the organization who speaks to a friend of mine. Back when I thought Mitch had a chance to live up to the draft pick, he told me not to get my hopes up. thats interesting Weren't there whispers of the defense abusing Mitch in practice? That is doing things like showing one look but, go another on the snap, etc. confusing the hell out of him?

this is dumb because while Mitch turned out not to be the answer, Nagy knew who he was when he took the job and at the time glowingly talked about him. Nagy was brought in to develop Mitch, not install his offense. Somehow, that has reversed. Nagy shares responsibility in the mess FWIW I know that the offensive coaches had relatively low opinions of Mitch very early on, it was why I've thought all along that Nagy would survive a Mitch collapse. I am assuming they were honest with Pace about what they (and the rest of the league) thinks about Mitch and felt they'd have an opportunity to help pick the next guy. The prospect of replacing Mitch with Jimmy G does not seem like much of an upgrade. If that's avenue might as well sign Mitch for a year, tank while keeping draft capital.

Gutless coming from the playoff game, literally no expectations, playing with house money and still wasn't aggressive. If they ever was a game in which to let it all fly, consequences be damned, that was certainly the game. Yeah, that pissed me off too. He could've let Mitch be aggressive and if he was bad, go to Foles. I don't think anyone would have blamed him for it in that situation. But look at it like this, if the Bears do get a marked improvement at QB, and there is no significant uptick in offense....then in 2022, we get a new coach in here that can run an offense and hopefully, for the first time in franchise history, the Bears already come equipped with a franchise QB. Just get the QB worry about the rest later. The QB part, as many have said perhaps, the hardest part to get right, is Pace capable? Thus far, he has a very poor QB track record, this time the job is on the line, desperate people sometimes, do stupid desperate things.

Yes, some of Mitch's success was also do to the fact that he had a good deal of talent. But he was dumb as a box of rocks and incapable of making basic plays against decent teams. I think referring to Nagy as gutless is a reach when the fact is he didn't have any faith in Mitch and that lack of faith was entirely deserved. I trust that Nagy can make this a productive offense with a good QB. It's still way up in the air whether they can actually accomplish that part of it, but I doubt they still struggle to score so badly if they actually do get a real QB. Gutless coming from the playoff game, literally no expectations, playing with house money and still wasn't aggressive. If they ever was a game in which to let it all fly, consequences be damned, that was certainly the game.

If we're being as objective as possible about Pace, while he is agressive, it's not like he gives up high level assets for super dumb things. Like sure he gave up a lot for Mack, but that was a really big, cool, piece. And he's given up smaller pieces to move up for guys like Trubisky, Floyd, Jackson, and Montgomery, which has arguably added up over time, but it's not like classic late 90s Bears giving up a first for Mirer. If he goes and trades like 2 first rounders for Carson Wentz, I guess we'll say the other moves were warning signs, but I actually don't read him as a guy just wildly misreading the market. I agree with this 100%. Mack was his bold move because he thought he had his QB. I guess Robinson could be considered a big move, because he was the highest paid FA WR that year. But every move Pace has made has been with the frame of mind that Trubisky either was his QB or could be his long-term QB. Even down to the Brady and Bridgewater interest last offseason. The Bears probably could have gone a little more for either QB, but wanted to give Trubisky 1 more shot. I think this year, Pace is more desperate than he has ever been. As mediocre as this team is, they still have gone 28-20 with 2 playoff berths with bottom 1/3 QB play. So, I have no doubt Pace will give up as much as it takes to add an elite QB or elite QB prospect. Say Pace is able to get a marked improvement at QB, do we trust that'll translate to an uptick in offense under Nagy? I'm not certain it'll happen, he's gutless and has a tendency of playing not to lose against good teams. Sure Mitch sucked, didn't help he was deliberately handcuffed, not all of the success Mitch had was because he was facing bad defenses. Most of it, maybe, 95%, but, still, not all.

This about Watson.

I think one was definitely on Brady, crappy throw which, of course, Amos intercepted, the other was on Evans. He had the drops for most of the game except for the TD. I disagree that the one pick was on Evans. I thought so at first but on replay the pass was way high. Evans was barely able to get his fingertips on the ball and he's 6'5". No way he could've caught that one. Think you're correct on that one. When you think about it, if wasn't for our crappy Bears there's a good chance Rodgers may still be looking for his first SB.

TB went conservative in the 2nd half even with the turnovers. They could do that vs GB, that won't work vs KC. I doubt KC will go to man to man coverage at the end of a half. Didn't they throw the picks by playing horsefeathers it, I'm going deep? I think one was definitely on Brady, crappy throw which, of course, Amos intercepted, the other was on Evans. He had the drops for most of the game except for the TD.