By my standards, 5 innings of 2 hit, 10 K pitching is a quality start, you'd be stupid to think otherwise, official rulings aside. i don't think that a guy who enters a ballgame 4-1 ballgame with the bases empty, 2 outs in the 9th inning and gets one out has really saved much of anything. are we going to stop referring to that as a save as well? likewise, let's stop saying that a pitcher on the wrong end of a 1-0 game got the loss. the offense got the loss; that pitcher was a winner all the way. OK by me. Saves and wins are dumb stats.