now, on this part of your post...that means that Wade Boggs and Tony Gwynn weren't franchise players, right? Wait...has Matt Murton now entered the "Wade Boggs/Tony Gwynn" echelon in just under one full season of major league time? take a look at tony gwynn's numbers for his first 2 big league stints. not exactly hall of fame type numbers. i'm not saying murton is going to be tony gwynn, but what i am saying is that shooting down anyone who points out something like that is absolutely ridiculous.