The TEAM, not Dee himself. is illinois THAT unlikelable of a team that everyone has to hope against hope for their downfall? they are the kings until supplanted, and i really don't think that MSU has the ability to beat them. indiana, granted, will offer more of a challenge with white and killingsworth down low, but it remains to be seen. I'm a Michigan State fan, am I not supposed to hope that they win? No one has responded to the point that they haven't played anyone on Ager or Davis or Killingsworth's level, and we don't know how they will fare against the best players without their losses from last year. IU has played Duke(Redick and Williams) and to a lesser extent Kentucky(Sparks and co.). MSU has played BC(Smith and Dudley), Gonzaga(Morrison and friends), and to a lesser extent Arizona(Adams and co.). All I'm trying to say is that Illinois is untested yet in that fashion. I've said multiple times that they may not have a problem with it, and may or probably will win the conference. The other point is that Brown hasn't performed to last year's level to date, and he may not return to last year's level because of the talent lost. It's a valid concern, just like MSU's defense thus far. I've been able to talk about MSU's lack of defense previously without getting super defensive, why can't it go both ways? are you forgetting that they beat UNC fairly easily in chapel hill? Fairly easily? I can't get the flowchart thing to come up, but they were tied at halftime and won by 4. That's irrelevant anyways, because Noel or Hansbrough aren't on the same plane as all the players mentioned in the previous post. That's the point. Good teams with star players, not just a borderline top 25 team. Right, you guys and your stars. Hansborough is a much better player than Patrick Sparks who you have listed. Hariston from Oregon is a pro. Good teams aren't always made of stars anyways. Last year we didn't have a star and we did alright with a bunch of really good players. Every year you guys are gonna snap us back to reality and every year we beat you guys pretty handily. The last time you guys were better than us was when Cleaves and MoPete were in school. I like Shannon Brown and Maurice Ager a lot, but they haven't had to show it yet against an All American like Dee Brown. Paul Davis hasn't been tested yet like James Augustine reigning Bit Ten Tournament MVP will do. I think Paul actually has nightmares about James. In seriousness I think Randle will more than hold his own defensively against Ager or Brown. McBride will be ok as long as he gets back on D in transition. Dee will eat Neitzel alive. The idea that last year's UI team didn't have stars is preposterous (and part of the continuing UI propaganda blitz pumping Weber as basketball jesus.). If you don't consider Dee and Luther stars, fine (though I disagree). Deron, however, was a lotto pick and a bonafide star player.