Gut feeling: Are we headed for a worst-case scenario?

[Magnetic Curses]

burnitz, statistically, was the best defensive RFer in the NL last season--and would have been a GGer if they handed them out to corner OFers.

 

:?:

 

if there were a GG for each position, LF, CF, RF rather than just 3 CFers, he would have gotten one.

 

does that answer your question?

 

No way, he doesn't hit enough to get a gold glove.

 

david bell and jose lind have gold gloves, for crying out loud.

 

EDIT:can't forget neifi!

Edited December 29, 2005 by Stannis

[CardsFanInChiTown]

i dont think we stood a chance with giles. the man is all ready filthy rich so why do people think that he would want to uproot his family and leave the nice and warm west coast for a few million more to play in ice cold wrigley? i believe that he had the intentions of going back to san diego all along.

 

um....

 

1. not all players make their homes in the cities that they play in. they also spend half of their time on the road anyway, so it's not really a big deal to live in san diego and play somwhere else.

 

2. players accept more money all the time to change venues. JD Drew was born and raised in Georgia, yet accepted 55 mil to play in LA. maddux could have gone to san diego, but accepted more money to play for the cubs. it's absolutely insane to suggest that players aren't affected by money, especially today.

 

3. giles would be a cub at 3/39, believe it.

 

4. by your logic, it's a wonder why anyone would sign with the cubs, considering that there are much more climatically hospitable places to play. why doesn't hawaii have a team?

 

last time i checked, baseball was played primarily in the summer. and even in april, you're going to have to travel somewhere cold to play--the padres don't have any more home games than the cubs.

 

Just because J.D. Drew decides to leave for $$$ doesn't mean Giles would do the same. 3/39 getting it done with Giles is a belief not a fact, there were several reports indicating the Blue Jays offered Giles 4 yrs.

[CubfaninCA]

i guess i am the only one that feels this way but if i had a choice of playing ball, being rich, and being able to tuck my kids into bed most nights or playing ball, being rich, and seeing my kids every now and then i would take the first option. i wanted giles like the rest of the people on here but i knew we wouldnt get him. some players sign for money, some for titles, some for playing time, and some for personel reasons. sometimes u cant buy a player out of what he wants or how he feels. u cant always get the guys you want so i will continue to supprt the guys we do have even if i dont agree with them being here.

 

I'd take a $10 million/year job in SoCal over a $12 million job in Chicago or NY. I'm insane tho. ;)

[Magnetic Curses]

i dont think we stood a chance with giles. the man is all ready filthy rich so why do people think that he would want to uproot his family and leave the nice and warm west coast for a few million more to play in ice cold wrigley? i believe that he had the intentions of going back to san diego all along.

 

um....

 

1. not all players make their homes in the cities that they play in. they also spend half of their time on the road anyway, so it's not really a big deal to live in san diego and play somwhere else.

 

2. players accept more money all the time to change venues. JD Drew was born and raised in Georgia, yet accepted 55 mil to play in LA. maddux could have gone to san diego, but accepted more money to play for the cubs. it's absolutely insane to suggest that players aren't affected by money, especially today.

 

3. giles would be a cub at 3/39, believe it.

 

4. by your logic, it's a wonder why anyone would sign with the cubs, considering that there are much more climatically hospitable places to play. why doesn't hawaii have a team?

 

last time i checked, baseball was played primarily in the summer. and even in april, you're going to have to travel somewhere cold to play--the padres don't have any more home games than the cubs.

 

Just because J.D. Drew decides to leave for $$$ doesn't mean Giles would do the same. 3/39 getting it done with Giles is a belief not a fact, there were several reports indicating the Blue Jays offered 4 yrs to Giles.

 

the fact remains that there was never a report that hendry was interested in him.

 

san diego may have been his first choice but turning down a ton of extra cash would have been illogical.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

the fact remains that there was never a report that hendry was interested in him.

 

san diego may have been his first choice but turning down a ton of extra cash would have been illogical.

 

Why would that have been illogical if he loves where he plays?

[goonys evil twin]

Some people value family over money and Giles got what he wanted from SD. It's ok to be wrong from time to time.

 

And you know I'm wrong how?

 

The Cubs didn't try. They could have got him if they tried hard enough, the question is only how hard did they have to try.

 

With this line of reasoning, the Cubs should never even try to bid for any free agent with ties to a warmer climate that has a local team.

 

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[Magnetic Curses]

i guess i am the only one that feels this way but if i had a choice of playing ball, being rich, and being able to tuck my kids into bed most nights or playing ball, being rich, and seeing my kids every now and then i would take the first option. i wanted giles like the rest of the people on here but i knew we wouldnt get him. some players sign for money, some for titles, some for playing time, and some for personel reasons. sometimes u cant buy a player out of what he wants or how he feels. u cant always get the guys you want so i will continue to supprt the guys we do have even if i dont agree with them being here.

 

I'd take a $10 million/year job in SoCal over a $12 million job in Chicago or NY. I'm insane tho. ;)

 

i'd question whether any of us would know what we'd do if we lived in the dreamworld of professional sports.

[CubfaninCA]

i dont think we stood a chance with giles. the man is all ready filthy rich so why do people think that he would want to uproot his family and leave the nice and warm west coast for a few million more to play in ice cold wrigley? i believe that he had the intentions of going back to san diego all along.

 

um....

 

1. not all players make their homes in the cities that they play in. they also spend half of their time on the road anyway, so it's not really a big deal to live in san diego and play somwhere else.

 

2. players accept more money all the time to change venues. JD Drew was born and raised in Georgia, yet accepted 55 mil to play in LA. maddux could have gone to san diego, but accepted more money to play for the cubs. it's absolutely insane to suggest that players aren't affected by money, especially today.

 

3. giles would be a cub at 3/39, believe it.

 

4. by your logic, it's a wonder why anyone would sign with the cubs, considering that there are much more climatically hospitable places to play. why doesn't hawaii have a team?

 

last time i checked, baseball was played primarily in the summer. and even in april, you're going to have to travel somewhere cold to play--the padres don't have any more home games than the cubs.

 

If I was from GA, I'd move as far west as possible too. :)

[Tim]

burnitz, statistically, was the best defensive RFer in the NL last season--and would have been a GGer if they handed them out to corner OFers.

 

:?:

 

if there were a GG for each position, LF, CF, RF rather than just 3 CFers, he would have gotten one.

 

does that answer your question?

 

No way, he doesn't hit enough to get a gold glove.

Didn't Abreu get one of the OF gold gloves this year as a RF?

[CubfaninCA]

i guess i am the only one that feels this way but if i had a choice of playing ball, being rich, and being able to tuck my kids into bed most nights or playing ball, being rich, and seeing my kids every now and then i would take the first option. i wanted giles like the rest of the people on here but i knew we wouldnt get him. some players sign for money, some for titles, some for playing time, and some for personel reasons. sometimes u cant buy a player out of what he wants or how he feels. u cant always get the guys you want so i will continue to supprt the guys we do have even if i dont agree with them being here.

 

why did giles sign a huge contract with pittsburgh in the first place, then?

 

Giles wasn't tearing up the league back then and who did SD have in RF?

[Magnetic Curses]

the fact remains that there was never a report that hendry was interested in him.

 

san diego may have been his first choice but turning down a ton of extra cash would have been illogical.

 

Why would that have been illogical if he loves where he plays?

 

because we don't know if he loves where he plays. he's been one of the biggest critics of the new stadium and it's effect on the numbers of left-handed hitters, for one.

 

you just can't ignore the premier free agent on the market because he's from california and likes to surf, and then say: "he wasn't available anyways".

 

the cubs didn't even sniff giles, even though signing him would have gone farther to closing the biggest hole on this team than a million free agent middle relievers would have.

 

that's hendry's fault, he's a crappy GM.

[JeffH]

Didn't Abreu get one of the OF gold gloves this year as a RF?

 

Thanks, Tim. Took care of that one for me.

[Magnetic Curses]

i guess i am the only one that feels this way but if i had a choice of playing ball, being rich, and being able to tuck my kids into bed most nights or playing ball, being rich, and seeing my kids every now and then i would take the first option. i wanted giles like the rest of the people on here but i knew we wouldnt get him. some players sign for money, some for titles, some for playing time, and some for personel reasons. sometimes u cant buy a player out of what he wants or how he feels. u cant always get the guys you want so i will continue to supprt the guys we do have even if i dont agree with them being here.

 

why did giles sign a huge contract with pittsburgh in the first place, then?

 

Giles wasn't tearing up the league back then and who did SD have in RF?

 

are you kidding me? the year before he signed the new deal (2000), he did this: .315/.432/.594/1.026 with 35 HRs and 123 RBIs!

 

what the hell are you talking about?

[goonys evil twin]

i guess i am the only one that feels this way but if i had a choice of playing ball, being rich, and being able to tuck my kids into bed most nights or playing ball, being rich, and seeing my kids every now and then i would take the first option. i wanted giles like the rest of the people on here but i knew we wouldnt get him. some players sign for money, some for titles, some for playing time, and some for personel reasons. sometimes u cant buy a player out of what he wants or how he feels. u cant always get the guys you want so i will continue to supprt the guys we do have even if i dont agree with them being here.

 

why did giles sign a huge contract with pittsburgh in the first place, then?

 

Giles was tearing up the league back then and who did SD have in RF?

 

Giles signed a below market contract 1 year after getting traded to Pittsburgh. It's not like he had any allegiance there. What does tearing up the league have to do with anything? When you're elite you'll play anywhere, but when you're just very good you'll only play at home? SD was a last place team with crap in their OF when Giles signed with Pitt, certainly he could have waited for free agency and gone there if it was all about family.

 

I don't deny that socal played a part, but I will argue with anybody who pretends the Cubs had no chance to get him. They didn't even try. You don't know if you have a chance if you don't try.

[Magnetic Curses]

burnitz, statistically, was the best defensive RFer in the NL last season--and would have been a GGer if they handed them out to corner OFers.

 

:?:

 

if there were a GG for each position, LF, CF, RF rather than just 3 CFers, he would have gotten one.

 

does that answer your question?

 

No way, he doesn't hit enough to get a gold glove.

Didn't Abreu get one of the OF gold gloves this year as a RF?

 

for the record, i'm not saying that no corner OFers get GGs. Dawson got more than a few in RF.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

the fact remains that there was never a report that hendry was interested in him.

 

san diego may have been his first choice but turning down a ton of extra cash would have been illogical.

 

Why would that have been illogical if he loves where he plays?

 

because we don't know if he loves where he plays. he's been one of the biggest critics of the new stadium and it's effect on the numbers of left-handed hitters, for one.

 

you just can't ignore the premier free agent on the market because he's from california and likes to surf, and then say: "he wasn't available anyways".

 

the cubs didn't even sniff giles, even though signing him would have gone farther to closing the biggest hole on this team than a million free agent middle relievers would have.

 

that's hendry's fault, he's a crappy GM.

 

I can understand your anger because Hendry did nothing. I'm just not so sure I agree with your belief that 3\39 would have been a lock to sign him.

Edited December 29, 2005 by CardsFanInChiTown

[Magnetic Curses]

Didn't Abreu get one of the OF gold gloves this year as a RF?

 

Thanks, Tim. Took care of that one for me.

 

what?

 

they generally don't give out GG to corner Ofers. there are exceptions, but usually it's 3 CFers.

 

i was saying, if you read my post, that they don't give 1 for LF, 1 for CF, and 1 for RF.

[badger1679666666]

 

3. giles would be a cub at 3/39, believe it.

 

 

Source?

 

I don't suppose you actually have one for it.

 

Giles loves SD, everyone and their mother knows that. Hendry has sucked this off season, but Giles wasn't coming here.

 

No I don't have a source for that either, but it's easy to throw out declarative blanket statements when no proof is needed behind them.

[LoneStarCubFan]

the fact remains that there was never a report that hendry was interested in him.

 

san diego may have been his first choice but turning down a ton of extra cash would have been illogical.

 

Why would that have been illogical if he loves where he plays?

 

because we don't know if he loves where he plays. he's been one of the biggest critics of the new stadium and it's effect on the numbers of left-handed hitters, for one.

 

you just can't ignore the premier free agent on the market because he's from california and likes to surf, and then say: "he wasn't available anyways".

 

the cubs didn't even sniff giles, even though signing him would have gone farther to closing the biggest hole on this team than a million free agent middle relievers would have.

 

that's hendry's fault, he's a crappy GM.

 

We do know that SD announced they were moving the fences in around the time Giles was signed so it won't be the graveyard it's been in the past.

 

How do we know for a fact the Cubs "didn't even sniff Giles"? Just because it wasn't in the newspaper doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

Giles wanted to stay in San Diego all along, that's readily apparent. My guess is that teams looking for an OF had a pretty good idea of that since NOBODY really "sniffed" him.

 

Or is every single MLB GM "crappy"?

[badger1679666666]

 

Or is every single MLB GM "crappy"?

 

You would think so according to this site.

 

I think Hendry's had an awful two years though, but I won't go as far as to call him "crappy". I've been very dissappointed with him the last two years.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

3. giles would be a cub at 3/39, believe it.

 

 

Source?

 

I don't suppose you actually have one for it.

 

Giles loves SD, everyone and their mother knows that. Hendry has sucked this off season, but Giles wasn't coming here.

 

No I don't have a source for that either, but it's easy to throw out declarative blanket statements when no proof is needed behind them.

 

what, throwing out a blanket statement to counter mine?

 

i think it's a bigger stretch to say giles wasn't going anywhere than to say he could be had for a large overbid.

[CubfaninCA]

Some people value family over money and Giles got what he wanted from SD. It's ok to be wrong from time to time.

 

And you know I'm wrong how?

 

The Cubs didn't try. They could have got him if they tried hard enough, the question is only how hard did they have to try.

 

With this line of reasoning, the Cubs should never even try to bid for any free agent with ties to a warmer climate that has a local team.

 

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

 

Well, the fact that he resigned w/ SD is pretty significant, and he ended the free agency process pretty early when he could have gotten more. Toronto's been wheelin and dealin this offseason. Surely, they would have thrown some big money @ Giles.

[Magnetic Curses]

the fact remains that there was never a report that hendry was interested in him.

 

san diego may have been his first choice but turning down a ton of extra cash would have been illogical.

 

Why would that have been illogical if he loves where he plays?

 

because we don't know if he loves where he plays. he's been one of the biggest critics of the new stadium and it's effect on the numbers of left-handed hitters, for one.

 

you just can't ignore the premier free agent on the market because he's from california and likes to surf, and then say: "he wasn't available anyways".

 

the cubs didn't even sniff giles, even though signing him would have gone farther to closing the biggest hole on this team than a million free agent middle relievers would have.

 

that's hendry's fault, he's a crappy GM.

 

We do know that SD announced they were moving the fences in around the time Giles was signed so it won't be the graveyard it's been in the past.

 

How do we know for a fact the Cubs "didn't even sniff Giles"? Just because it wasn't in the newspaper doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

Giles wanted to stay in San Diego all along, that's readily apparent. My guess is that teams looking for an OF had a pretty good idea of that since NOBODY really "sniffed" him.

 

Or is every single MLB GM "crappy"?

 

why are you obsessed with certain words?

 

and no GM had a bigger problem and enough money to fill it as hendry did. looking at hendry as if the cubs were strapped for cash and had no OBP problem is ridiculous.

 

sniff that.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

think it's a bigger stretch to say giles wasn't going anywhere than to say he could be had for a large overbid.

 

So you wanted a large overbid to get him? 5\75?

Edited December 29, 2005 by CardsFanInChiTown

[CubfaninCA]

i guess i am the only one that feels this way but if i had a choice of playing ball, being rich, and being able to tuck my kids into bed most nights or playing ball, being rich, and seeing my kids every now and then i would take the first option. i wanted giles like the rest of the people on here but i knew we wouldnt get him. some players sign for money, some for titles, some for playing time, and some for personel reasons. sometimes u cant buy a player out of what he wants or how he feels. u cant always get the guys you want so i will continue to supprt the guys we do have even if i dont agree with them being here.

 

I'd take a $10 million/year job in SoCal over a $12 million job in Chicago or NY. I'm insane tho. ;)

 

i'd question whether any of us would know what we'd do if we lived in the dreamworld of professional sports.

 

Cmon we'd all play for the Cubs for Walker money. ;)

 

If it's any job besides sports, I'm in SoCal tho. If I grew up in SoCal, I'd stay here for sure and play for my favorite team as a kid. I'm taking a wild guess that Giles grew up a SD fan.

Edited December 29, 2005 by CubfaninCA