Manny to the Mets a possibility?

[Blueheart05]

So says Rotoworld

 

The Bergen Record's Bob Klapisch believes the Mets would give up Cliff Floyd, Lastings Milledge and Aaron Heilman for Manny Ramirez if the Red Sox would absorb a portion of Ramirez's salary.

If the Red Sox could really get all three, they should be willing to eat some salary. Floyd is only signed through next season at $6.6 million, so he's rather attractive. Discussions between the two teams are expected to continue at the winter meetings. Nov. 29 - 2:27 pm et

 

If this happens the Mets would be overwhelming favorites in the NL East which could, in a strange way, affect the Furcal signing.

[cubbyvirus00]

They'd still have horrible pitching, and a below average defense.

[JWCUB]

The Mets are making me sick. I want Manny.

[RynoRules]

They'd still have horrible pitching, and a below average defense.

 

How is their pitching horrible?:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2005.shtml

 

Martinez

Glavine

V. Zambrano

K. Benson

Trachsel

 

Wagner

 

Not great, but certainly not horrible.

Edited November 29, 2005 by RynoRules

[fromthestretch]

Won't happen unless the Sox can spin Floyd to a team he's willing to play for. I heard on XM today that Floyd has a no-trade clause and has said that he will not waive it to go back to Boston.

[JeffH]

Floyd for Patterson.

[cubbyvirus00]

They have an aging Pedro, who we all know is only going to get worse, an ancient Tom Glavine, Victor Zambrano who has no right having Zambrano as his last name, and Heilman who is hittable.

 

If they trade away their young pitchers for Manny, it'll only get worse.

[RynoRules]

They have an aging Pedro, who we all know is only going to get worse, an ancient Tom Glavine, Victor Zambrano who has no right having Zambrano as his last name, and Heilman who is hittable.

 

If they trade away their young pitchers for Manny, it'll only get worse.

 

See my edited post above. You left out a lot.

[cubbyvirus00]

Okay, I'd rather have J williams and Rusch, then K. Benson and

Trachsel .

[JWCUB]

What do we have that Boston may want?

[CubinNY]

They have an aging Pedro, who we all know is only going to get worse, an ancient Tom Glavine, Victor Zambrano who has no right having Zambrano as his last name, and Heilman who is hittable.

 

If they trade away their young pitchers for Manny, it'll only get worse.

 

See my edited post above. You left out a lot.

 

With Delgado, Manny, Beltran, & Wright they would have about the best middle of the line up in the NL, too.

 

Omar is putting together a very good team.

[fromthestretch]

They have an aging Pedro, who we all know is only going to get worse, an ancient Tom Glavine, Victor Zambrano who has no right having Zambrano as his last name, and Heilman who is hittable.

 

If they trade away their young pitchers for Manny, it'll only get worse.

 

Heilman isn't a starter for them anymore, and he wasn't very hittable out of the bullpen for them.

[BigbadB]

They have an aging Pedro, who we all know is only going to get worse, an ancient Tom Glavine, Victor Zambrano who has no right having Zambrano as his last name, and Heilman who is hittable.

 

If they trade away their young pitchers for Manny, it'll only get worse.

 

See my edited post above. You left out a lot.

 

With Delgado, Manny, Beltran, & Wright they would have about the best middle of the line up in the NL, too.

 

Omar is putting together a very good team.

 

That one would be almost as good as a Bradley, Lee, Giles, A. Ramirez middle of the line up. :wink:

[cubbyvirus00]

I just don't view the Mets as a dangerous team. Even if they get Manny (which they won't) they just don't strike me as a playoff team.

[goonys evil twin]

I just don't view the Mets as a dangerous team. Even if they get Manny (which they won't) they just don't strike me as a playoff team.

 

They should. They're better than the Cubs and doing a whole lot more to be better in 2006. The end of the Phillips era got really ugly in Queens, but they've been improving since bottoming out in 2002/2003, due to a lot of nonperforming contracts. I think there's a good chance they go into the season as a strong favorite for the NL East, and possibly the favorite for the NL.

[CubfaninCA]

They have an aging Pedro, who we all know is only going to get worse, an ancient Tom Glavine, Victor Zambrano who has no right having Zambrano as his last name, and Heilman who is hittable.

 

If they trade away their young pitchers for Manny, it'll only get worse.

 

This same notion about Pedro was thrown around last year. Nice job Theo!

[Tedward]

I just don't view the Mets as a dangerous team. Even if they get Manny (which they won't) they just don't strike me as a playoff team.

 

They should. They're better than the Cubs and doing a whole lot more to be better in 2006. The end of the Phillips era got really ugly in Queens, but they've been improving since bottoming out in 2002/2003, due to a lot of nonperforming contracts. I think there's a good chance they go into the season as a strong favorite for the NL East, and possibly the favorite for the NL.

 

The offseason is still young, and there's a long way to go before next October, but do you think that their starting pitching behind Pedro is good enough to get it done in the playoffs? I also have some concerns as to who they will have pitching the 7th and 8th innings?

[goonys evil twin]

I just don't view the Mets as a dangerous team. Even if they get Manny (which they won't) they just don't strike me as a playoff team.

 

They should. They're better than the Cubs and doing a whole lot more to be better in 2006. The end of the Phillips era got really ugly in Queens, but they've been improving since bottoming out in 2002/2003, due to a lot of nonperforming contracts. I think there's a good chance they go into the season as a strong favorite for the NL East, and possibly the favorite for the NL.

 

The offseason is still young, and there's a long way to go before next October, but do you think that their starting pitching behind Pedro is good enough to get it done in the playoffs? I also have some concerns as to who they will have pitching the 7th and 8th innings?

 

They were a top 3 ERA in 2005. They have one ace, and then what I would call a bunch of #3 starters. At this point, I wouldn't say their staff is any worse than what people thought the White Sox had last year. They just added the best available reliever on the market. I think they might take a small step back in the pitching department next year, but they could be a better hitting team, depending on what they do with the OF. The way things are looking now, I'd say they can compete in the playoffs. I won't be putting money on them anytime soon, but for a Cubs fan to say the Mets don't concern you next season is a bit of an overstatement.

[TheDude]

They have an aging Pedro, who we all know is only going to get worse, an ancient Tom Glavine, Victor Zambrano who has no right having Zambrano as his last name, and Heilman who is hittable.

 

If they trade away their young pitchers for Manny, it'll only get worse.

 

Roger Clemens is 9 years older than Pedro. How is that working out for him? This idea that 34 year old players are washed up is just rude. The fact is that Pedro has learned to be a different kind of pitcher in the last 2 years than he was in the late 90's, and he is still very capable of dominating a game.

 

The Mets pitching is respectable. But a 1-5 of Reyes, Beltran, Ramirez, Delgado, and Wright is downright terrifying.

[goonys evil twin]

They have an aging Pedro, who we all know is only going to get worse, an ancient Tom Glavine, Victor Zambrano who has no right having Zambrano as his last name, and Heilman who is hittable.

 

If they trade away their young pitchers for Manny, it'll only get worse.

 

Roger Clemens is 9 years older than Pedro. How is that working out for him? This idea that 34 year old players are washed up is just rude. The fact is that Pedro has learned to be a different kind of pitcher in the last 2 years than he was in the late 90's, and he is still very capable of dominating a game.

 

The Mets pitching is respectable. But a 1-5 of Reyes, Beltran, Ramirez, Delgado, and Wright is downright terrifying.

 

I think the Mets are dangerous, but I would say it's based on their 2-5, or 2-6 in the lineup, not their leadoff hitter. Bernabe has a .303 career OBP. He's young, but baseballreference.com lists Mike Caruso as the most similar hitter. Reyes has some upside, but over the past two years he's been no better than Kaz. And just one season ago he was the guy in the doghouse because he just couldn't stay healthy.

[cubbyvirus00]

Floyd has said NO to a trade to the Red Sox, which all but means Manny is NOT going to the Mets. The Mets will have to part with alot of good players if this were to happen anyways.