Wheres the support for a lead off guy?

[bc2k]

I like walker in the 2 hole. I could be happy with a Furcal-Walker top of the order.

 

I strongly oppose trading for Milton Bradley. I don't think he is the type of man we want on our team:

 

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/1705006.html

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I like walker in the 2 hole. I could be happy with a Furcal-Walker top of the order.

 

I strongly oppose trading for Milton Bradley. I don't think he is the type of man we want on our team:

 

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/1705006.html

 

Julio Lugo and Jose Guillen are two players off the top of my head that were perceived crazy clubhouse cancers(Lugo had a similar incident as Bradley, Guillen got the same treatment from the Angels that T.O is getting). Now you don't hear anything about them being a disruption. In fact, there was nothing but rave reports about Guillen being a good guy from his Nationals teammates.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I like walker in the 2 hole. I could be happy with a Furcal-Walker top of the order.

 

I strongly oppose trading for Milton Bradley. I don't think he is the type of man we want on our team:

 

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/1705006.html

 

Julio Lugo and Jose Guillen are two players off the top of my head that were perceived crazy clubhouse cancers(Lugo had a similar incident as Bradley, Guillen got the same treatment from the Angels that T.O is getting). Now you don't hear anything about them being a disruption. In fact, there was nothing but rave reports about Guillen being a good guy from his Nationals teammates.

 

read the link he posted.

 

choking your pregnant wife doesn't fall into the "clubhouse cancer" category. :shock:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I like walker in the 2 hole. I could be happy with a Furcal-Walker top of the order.

 

I strongly oppose trading for Milton Bradley. I don't think he is the type of man we want on our team:

 

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/1705006.html

 

Julio Lugo and Jose Guillen are two players off the top of my head that were perceived crazy clubhouse cancers(Lugo had a similar incident as Bradley, Guillen got the same treatment from the Angels that T.O is getting). Now you don't hear anything about them being a disruption. In fact, there was nothing but rave reports about Guillen being a good guy from his Nationals teammates.

 

read the link he posted.

 

choking your pregnant wife doesn't fall into the "clubhouse cancer" category. :shock:

 

I read the link, Lugo reportedly beat his wife as well. Yet there's no stigma with him anymore now that there's some time away from the incident.

[nilodnayr]

On the plus side hes going to be a father very soon, a lot of times that has a maturing affect on young troubled males.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

On the plus side hes going to be a father very soon, a lot of times that has a maturing affect on young troubled males.

 

hopefully he doesn't get into an argument with an infant.

[CUBZ99]

I think Pierre is relatively low production for the position. I'd rather have Furcal. I definitely don't want both, as that's a pretty big sacrifice in power at two positions that has to be made up somewhere without enough gain in OBP to justify it (both are solid, but neither is challenging the .400 mark). And they're redundant, and expensive, to boot.

 

.350 OBP is low production for a leadoff hitting CF? Give me a break. BTW SS and CF aren't traditionally power positions, so your not really sacrificing anything.

[mlarner]

I have a hard time believeing Hendry will give too much attention to Bradley (unless he can be had for the proverbial bag o' balls).

The media and the fans have killed Hendry in the last couple of years for depending too much on players who have had injury problems in the past (Woody and Nomar, Fox, etc.). How many times have we all ripped Hendry on this board for using key injuries as an excuse for disappointing seasons while at the same time he is still throwing money at them? Its not exactly the same thing here, but can't you make the argument that injuries are more "random" than some kind of "character issue" (however ill-defined that may be)? If he gets bashed for signing players who miss too many games due to injuries don't you think he will shy away from a player who may miss games because of tantrums aimed at the fans or meltdowns in the clubhouse, etc? A player can be more or less injury prone, and sometimes its a crap shoot if he will make it through the whole year or not, but signing someone with a pretty well established history of these problems seems like a huge gamble to me.

If Im him, I stay far away-we are spending A LOT of $ trying to build a WS contender, so why put a huge question mark in CF?

[CUBZ99]

I like walker in the 2 hole. I could be happy with a Furcal-Walker top of the order.

 

I strongly oppose trading for Milton Bradley. I don't think he is the type of man we want on our team:

 

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/1705006.html

 

Julio Lugo and Jose Guillen are two players off the top of my head that were perceived crazy clubhouse cancers(Lugo had a similar incident as Bradley, Guillen got the same treatment from the Angels that T.O is getting). Now you don't hear anything about them being a disruption. In fact, there was nothing but rave reports about Guillen being a good guy from his Nationals teammates.

 

read the link he posted.

 

choking your pregnant wife doesn't fall into the "clubhouse cancer" category. :shock:

 

I read the link, Lugo reportedly beat his wife as well. Yet there's no stigma with him anymore now that there's some time away from the incident.

 

What does that have to do with anything? You are basically defending the guy by saying "player A did it and they dont' say anything about him anymore". Very poor argument. What's even worse is that Bradley is not that great of a player to be all love-striken over.

[CUBZ99]

I like walker in the 2 hole. I could be happy with a Furcal-Walker top of the order.

 

I strongly oppose trading for Milton Bradley. I don't think he is the type of man we want on our team:

 

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/1705006.html

 

Julio Lugo and Jose Guillen are two players off the top of my head that were perceived crazy clubhouse cancers(Lugo had a similar incident as Bradley, Guillen got the same treatment from the Angels that T.O is getting). Now you don't hear anything about them being a disruption. In fact, there was nothing but rave reports about Guillen being a good guy from his Nationals teammates.

 

read the link he posted.

 

choking your pregnant wife doesn't fall into the "clubhouse cancer" category. :shock:

 

I read the link, Lugo reportedly beat his wife as well. Yet there's no stigma with him anymore now that there's some time away from the incident.

 

What does that have to do with anything? You are basically defending the guy by saying "player A did it and they dont' say anything about him anymore". Very poor argument. What's even worse is that Bradley is not that great of a player to be all love-striken over.

[USSoccer]

I think Lugo actually got beat up by his wife. That's why nothing ever came of it. He got arrested, but when the police investigated they discovered his wife was beating on him in the parking lot, IIRC.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I like walker in the 2 hole. I could be happy with a Furcal-Walker top of the order.

 

I strongly oppose trading for Milton Bradley. I don't think he is the type of man we want on our team:

 

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/1705006.html

 

Julio Lugo and Jose Guillen are two players off the top of my head that were perceived crazy clubhouse cancers(Lugo had a similar incident as Bradley, Guillen got the same treatment from the Angels that T.O is getting). Now you don't hear anything about them being a disruption. In fact, there was nothing but rave reports about Guillen being a good guy from his Nationals teammates.

 

read the link he posted.

 

choking your pregnant wife doesn't fall into the "clubhouse cancer" category. :shock:

 

I read the link, Lugo reportedly beat his wife as well. Yet there's no stigma with him anymore now that there's some time away from the incident.

 

What does that have to do with anything? You are basically defending the guy by saying "player A did it and they dont' say anything about him anymore". Very poor argument. What's even worse is that Bradley is not that great of a player to be all love-striken over.

 

It has plenty to do with anything. People don't want to acquire Bradley because he's supposedly some maniac that is a bad person and/or will be a bad influence on the clubhouse. Lugo and Guillen are evidence to the contrary. And Bradley is quite good especially considering how much he'll make, his age, and the fact that the Dodgers reportedly want nothing for him.

[CUBZ99]

I like walker in the 2 hole. I could be happy with a Furcal-Walker top of the order.

 

I strongly oppose trading for Milton Bradley. I don't think he is the type of man we want on our team:

 

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/1705006.html

 

Julio Lugo and Jose Guillen are two players off the top of my head that were perceived crazy clubhouse cancers(Lugo had a similar incident as Bradley, Guillen got the same treatment from the Angels that T.O is getting). Now you don't hear anything about them being a disruption. In fact, there was nothing but rave reports about Guillen being a good guy from his Nationals teammates.

 

 

 

read the link he posted.

 

choking your pregnant wife doesn't fall into the "clubhouse cancer" category. :shock:

 

I read the link, Lugo reportedly beat his wife as well. Yet there's no stigma with him anymore now that there's some time away from the incident.

 

What does that have to do with anything? You are basically defending the guy by saying "player A did it and they dont' say anything about him anymore". Very poor argument. What's even worse is that Bradley is not that great of a player to be all love-striken over.

 

It has plenty to do with anything. People don't want to acquire Bradley because he's supposedly some maniac that is a bad person and/or will be a bad influence on the clubhouse. Lugo and Guillen are evidence to the contrary. And Bradley is quite good especially considering how much he'll make, his age, and the fact that the Dodgers reportedly want nothing for him.

 

There is a reason the Dodgers aren't looking for much in return. With Bradley, so far it has not been an isolated incident involving personality conflicts with one teammate or coach. He has had many problems and is also according to the article accused of choking and battering his wife at least three times. BTW that article was written this year. So yes, maybe it is possible to reform every accussed wife beater or person with a bad attitude, but why would you want the headache? You act like Bradley is Babe Ruth, the way you talk about him. He is a barely above avg. CF with potential and nothing more.

[UK1679666180]

I've been promtoing Jason Michaels for quite some time and he'd be a great leadoff option. In fact, he's a better leadoff option than Pierre. Pierre's speed doesn't make up the the ability to get on base or the defensive advantages Michaels brings over Pierre.

[Warpticon]

I think Pierre is relatively low production for the position. I'd rather have Furcal. I definitely don't want both, as that's a pretty big sacrifice in power at two positions that has to be made up somewhere without enough gain in OBP to justify it (both are solid, but neither is challenging the .400 mark). And they're redundant, and expensive, to boot.

 

.350 OBP is low production for a leadoff hitting CF? Give me a break. BTW SS and CF aren't traditionally power positions, so your not really sacrificing anything.

 

.350 OBP is not the entirety of baseball performance. I didn't say "leadoff hitting CF," I said "for the position," which is CF. He had a sub-700 OPS last year. That's terrible At his best, he's been about an average performer overall. It's one thing to lack power, and another thing entirely to have SUCH a lack of power that any compromise in other areas of your game renders you relatively useless. And even if they're not "sacrificing anything" in the historical context, there are still compromises in the very real context of the 2006 Chicago Cubs. C, 1B, and 3B are the only settled positions on the team. All have above average power. Murton has a good chance of starting in left, and he appears to have average power. If Neifi or Cedeno start at second, as it appears will happen, then we have below average power at 2B. Adding below average power at both CF and SS essentially cancels out Ramirez and Lee's power, and it become imperative to get a power source out of right field. And while Furcal and Pierre have decent OBPs, neither is stellar. In Pierre's case, he's certainly not good enough at anything else to risk his OBP being subpar, as it was last year. That's why I don't want both, and I would prefer not to have Pierre.