Current Pictures of Busch Stadium Destruction

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why is this still going on? This is the dumbest "debate" ever.

[K-Town]

Why is this still going on? This is the dumbest "debate" ever.

 

I agree. Both stadiums are significant, for different reasons. I'm not sure why anyone would try to make an argument otherwise.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why is this still going on? This is the dumbest "debate" ever.

 

I agree. Both stadiums are significant, for different reasons. I'm not sure why anyone would try to make an argument otherwise.

 

Then why are you perpetuating the argument for one side?

 

On second thought, don't answer that. This topic needs to die.

[K-Town]

Why is this still going on? This is the dumbest "debate" ever.

 

I agree. Both stadiums are significant, for different reasons. I'm not sure why anyone would try to make an argument otherwise.

 

Then why are you perpetuating the argument for one side?

 

On second thought, don't answer that. This topic needs to die.

 

I'm not perpetuating it "for one side". I'm saying that both stadiums are equally significant. Others have used words like "preposterous", and implied that it's funny that Cardinal fans are emotional over the whole thing. To me, it's not like that.

[adamb0719]

I said it has more memories. I should have said, more SIGNIFICANT memories.

 

 

Not if you are a Cubs fan. It's all relative brah.

 

 

Bingo.

 

 

It's too bad you didn't get that point when you made your original post. It would have saved me the trouble of explaining it to you.

So you're saying I'm right? Because yes, in the championship department, the Cardinals organization has been more successful, but this wasn't about which has been the most "successful" organization, its about the fact that Busch isn't as important or historic of a ballpark as Wrigley.

 

Are you actually reading these posts or do you just like to tell yourself that everyone agrees with you?

 

Just asking.

 

 

The original post implied that it was stupid to cry about Busch being demolished, but it wouldn't be stupid to cry about Wrigley being demolished. I took issue with THAT. From a Cardinals' perspective, there's every bit as much reason (or more) to cry about Busch being demolished. Why? Because many of us have fond memories from that stadium. Some folks want to bring up the "memories of Babe Ruth", as if they remember sitting in Wrigley Field, watching Babe Ruth point to........... something. I seriously doubt if anybody on this board was there for most of the World Series' at Wrigley Field, Gayle Sayers rushing for six touchdowns, etc.

 

When people move out of their house, they don't cry because the house is "old", or because the house is in a memorable neighborhood. They cry because of the fond memories of thing that happened IN that house.

 

 

From a historical perspective, Wrigley Field is significant. From a perspective of memories that might make someone emotional (which was the context of your original post, and mine), there's no reason to think that Wrigley is anymore significant than Busch.

 

If you referring to my post I did not say that I would not cry due to significance. I mainly has to do with the fact that I am not a Cards fan and have no emotional ties to Busch, so for me it is not sad. Wrigley would be sad due to how I feel about that place. However I don't think I would cry over a stadium being wrecked. I would be pissed more than anything. NOTHING to do with significance of the stadium, or one being better than the other, just personal preference. I don't see how you can take issue with my preferring Wrigley over Busch.

[Careless]

Why is this still going on? This is the dumbest "debate" ever.

 

I agree. Both stadiums are significant, for different reasons. I'm not sure why anyone would try to make an argument otherwise.

 

Then why are you perpetuating the argument for one side?

 

On second thought, don't answer that. This topic needs to die.

 

I'm not perpetuating it "for one side". I'm saying that both stadiums are equally significant. Others have used words like "preposterous", and implied that it's funny that Cardinal fans are emotional over the whole thing. To me, it's not like that.

Repeating a bad argument is perpetuating it. Busch has more for you. True. Wrigley has more for me. Also true. but there's a third aspect to this: to a neutral observer, which is more significant?

If you were writing a history of baseball, which would feature more significantly? If you were writing a history of American pop-culture?

[mjohnson71]

They planned to implode Busch II but will now be using a wrecking ball. Someone I know in the commercial property insurance business said the insurers of the surrounding buildings got their panties in a bind and demanded the Cardinals not use explosives.

 

Oh for crying out loud - the Kingdome was in at least as tight a space. They imploded it with no problems whatsoever. Silly people.

 

While not out in the middle of a giant parking lot with nothing nearby, the Kingdome had plenty of room:

http://magliery.com/Graphics/FH/kingdome.jpg

 

http://www.controlled-demolition.com/images/kingdome/step5.jpg

[K-Town]

Why is this still going on? This is the dumbest "debate" ever.

 

I agree. Both stadiums are significant, for different reasons. I'm not sure why anyone would try to make an argument otherwise.

 

Then why are you perpetuating the argument for one side?

 

On second thought, don't answer that. This topic needs to die.

 

I'm not perpetuating it "for one side". I'm saying that both stadiums are equally significant. Others have used words like "preposterous", and implied that it's funny that Cardinal fans are emotional over the whole thing. To me, it's not like that.

Repeating a bad argument is perpetuating it. Busch has more for you. True. Wrigley has more for me. Also true. but there's a third aspect to this: to a neutral observer, which is more significant?

If you were writing a history of baseball, which would feature more significantly? If you were writing a history of American pop-culture?

 

Your third aspect isn't relevant to the context of the discussion that we were having, however.

[Brian34Cook]

Live coverage of Stadium demolition

 

http://www.kmov.com/news/asseenonnews4/stories/L_IMAGE.10732e55909.93.88.fa.7c.3970b128.jpg

 

St. Louis (KMOV) – The St. Louis landmark, Busch Stadium, is being brought down to make way for the new stadium. Click on the link to watch live streaming video of New 4 coverage of the big event.

 

Streaming video begins at 2:57 p.m.

 

Watch live streaming video of News 4 coverage

 

Live Busch Stadium cam

 

KSDK

 

I'm watching the KMOV coverage though..

[vaball]

Wow, they really should have imploded the sucka. That wrecking ball is doing nothing. They would be better off handing out a thousand sledge hammers and just letting the public go to town.

[wolf stansson]

When people move out of their house, they don't cry because the house is "old", or because the house is in a memorable neighborhood. They cry because of the fond memories of thing that happened IN that house.

Whatever. I was just making the point that I thought was fairly obvious. Wrigley Field is more closely identified with Cubs fans and the Cubs organization thatn Busch is for Cards fans and the organization.

 

Argue that if you want, but the truth is that it would be a bigger deal if the Cubs demolished Wrigley.

[wekse]

wow, that's really boring

[wolf stansson]

Theyre not even showing it now. It's a helicopter fly over the city.

[Brian34Cook]

Theyre not even showing it now. It's a helicopter fly over the city.

 

KSDK has some.. It's absolutely boring.. They are however putting on a heavier ball to see if that does some damage lol

[wekse]

they should just implode the damn thing, the wrecking ball isn't going to do much.

[mjohnson71]

Cards fans are b*tching at stltoday.com forum about same slowness.

 

Besides unhappy neighboring businesses, uneasy insurance companies, a water main running right under current Busch and tunnels nearby: here's another reason why they didn't implode the current Busch.

 

From a fan website some shots show how close the current construction of Busch III has come to the old place.

 

http://www.johnsebben.com/photos/DM/20051103A006P.JPG

Apparently this shot shows the framework for the new jumbotron in the outfield. The shot is dark but it only looks like a few feet from the old place.

 

http://www.johnsebben.com/photos/DM/20051102A026P.JPG

This shot shows the seating section along the third base line. The concourse around the stadium has already been taken down.

[mjohnson71]

Looks like they're also working from the inside:

http://www.johnsebben.com/stlbaseball/files/173_7334.JPG

 

I guess these are the movable seats that were no longer moved after the football Cardinals left St. Louis in the late 80's.

[mjohnson71]

New shot from evening of Tuesday 11/8.

 

http://www.kmov.com/slideshows/051108_stadiumdemo_slideshow_files/slide0060_image038.jpg

[wekse]

wow, they've gotten a lot done!

[mjohnson71]

A shot of the inside and right before the first drop of the wrecking ball:

 

http://www.jgardnerphotography.com/0fd26130.jpg

 

Looks like they used one of the press/luxury boxes as target practice.

[mjohnson71]

A new picture from 11/11

 

http://www.johnsebben.com/photos/DM/20051111A001P.jpg

[treebird]

did the new stadium fall in the river yet?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

did the new stadium fall in the river yet?

 

That would be quite an accomplishment, and bad news for the downtown area it demolished as it rolled toward the Mississippi.

[mjohnson71]

As of Sunday 11/13 they look to have demolished about 1/4 of the outer ring that remains.

 

http://www.johnsebben.com/photos/DM/20051113A052P.jpg

 

 

 

http://www.johnsebben.com/photos/DM/20051113A025P.jpg

 

I don't know why this is interesting me so much. I'd only been to the old Busch about 15 times.

[South Side]

That said, Busch has been the host of 6 World Series

Did you know that Wrigley has also hosted 6 World Series?

 

Very minor correction, actually Wrigley has hosted five. The Cubs played their home games in the 1918 World Series at Comiskey Park, due to the greater capacity at the time.