Predict the Apology

[Chris]

Also, what compelled AJP to run?

 

AJ never saw the umpire signal that he was out. When AJ is looking back at the umpire he is signalling that there was no contact.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time.

 

 

How so?

 

If he has to come to Anaheim today, let's just say Southern Californians have threatened to do more than bite him. :o

 

Cuse, there's one inconsistency when you say Josh Paul should have tagged him just in case. Eddings and all MLB umps yell, "NOT CAUGHT! NOT CAUGHT!" when a catcher needs to tag or throw the ball to first. Eddings didn't do that. Don't blame Paul for Eddings screw up. AJP also heard no "NOT CAUGHT!" and yet he went to first base.

 

Is that a MLB rule for the ump to yell that? Also, what compelled AJP to run? AJP is a catcher and he knows the rules and he ran while Paul thought otherwise.

 

There's no rule, but when every umpire, including this umpire does it all the time there's a dropped third strike. Let's not forget, the previous batter, Aaron Rowand, struck out on a dropped third strike. There was a "NOT CAUGHT!" yell on that one. Let's also not forget Eddings "mechanics" were different on that dropped third strike - he waited to pump his fist for the out until Paul tagged Rowand. This time, Eddings did not yell "not caught" and did pump his fist for the out.

 

Honestly? I think AJP ran just to see if he could get away with it. AJ took 2 steps towards the dugout and then ran to first. If you hear the postgame interview, AJP said he ran to first because he didn't think Josh Paul caught the ball. If that was so, why did he take two steps to the dugout first?

Edited October 13, 2005 by CaliforniaRaisin

[CuseCubFan69]

Also, what compelled AJP to run?

 

AJ never saw the umpire signal that he was out. When AJ is looking back at the umpire he is signalling that there was no contact.

 

True but he felt compelled to run....why?

[Chris]

Also, what compelled AJP to run?

 

AJ never saw the umpire signal that he was out. When AJ is looking back at the umpire he is signalling that there was no contact.

 

True but he felt compelled to run....why?

 

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/CXS20710130327.jpeg

[frostwyrm]

 

If he has to come to Anaheim today, let's just say Southern Californians have threatened to do more than bite him. :o

 

Cuse, there's one inconsistency when you say Josh Paul should have tagged him just in case. Eddings and all MLB umps yell, "NOT CAUGHT! NOT CAUGHT!" when a catcher needs to tag or throw the ball to first. Eddings didn't do that. Don't blame Paul for Eddings screw up. AJP also heard no "NOT CAUGHT!" and yet he went to first base.

 

Is that a MLB rule for the ump to yell that? Also, what compelled AJP to run? AJP is a catcher and he knows the rules and he ran while Paul thought otherwise.

 

Yeah, I want to know if it's REQUIRED for the ump to yell that. If it's not it should be, and the 1st and 3rd base umps also need to chime in immediately if they see a dropped ball. It would actually be a good idea to have the line umps approve all strikeouts to avoid uncertainty.

[CuseCubFan69]

Also, what compelled AJP to run?

 

AJ never saw the umpire signal that he was out. When AJ is looking back at the umpire he is signalling that there was no contact.

 

True but he felt compelled to run....why?

 

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/CXS20710130327.jpeg

 

Great picture DJAXX. You see Paul about to roll the ball while the ump is making his non foul signal and AJ is paying attention to the ump.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

If he has to come to Anaheim today, let's just say Southern Californians have threatened to do more than bite him. :o

 

Cuse, there's one inconsistency when you say Josh Paul should have tagged him just in case. Eddings and all MLB umps yell, "NOT CAUGHT! NOT CAUGHT!" when a catcher needs to tag or throw the ball to first. Eddings didn't do that. Don't blame Paul for Eddings screw up. AJP also heard no "NOT CAUGHT!" and yet he went to first base.

 

Is that a MLB rule for the ump to yell that? Also, what compelled AJP to run? AJP is a catcher and he knows the rules and he ran while Paul thought otherwise.

 

Yeah, I want to know if it's REQUIRED for the ump to yell that. If it's not it should be, and the 1st and 3rd base umps also need to chime in immediately if they see a dropped ball. It would actually be a good idea to have the line umps approve all strikeouts to avoid uncertainty.

 

It isn't required.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

If he has to come to Anaheim today, let's just say Southern Californians have threatened to do more than bite him. :o

 

Cuse, there's one inconsistency when you say Josh Paul should have tagged him just in case. Eddings and all MLB umps yell, "NOT CAUGHT! NOT CAUGHT!" when a catcher needs to tag or throw the ball to first. Eddings didn't do that. Don't blame Paul for Eddings screw up. AJP also heard no "NOT CAUGHT!" and yet he went to first base.

 

Is that a MLB rule for the ump to yell that? Also, what compelled AJP to run? AJP is a catcher and he knows the rules and he ran while Paul thought otherwise.

 

Yeah, I want to know if it's REQUIRED for the ump to yell that. If it's not it should be, and the 1st and 3rd base umps also need to chime in immediately if they see a dropped ball. It would actually be a good idea to have the line umps approve all strikeouts to avoid uncertainty.

 

I agree and this should be a rule but if it's not Paul assumed wrong. I have no idea why the umps didn't get together... all of them and talk about this. From the blurb I saw only the two of them got together.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

If he has to come to Anaheim today, let's just say Southern Californians have threatened to do more than bite him. :o

 

Cuse, there's one inconsistency when you say Josh Paul should have tagged him just in case. Eddings and all MLB umps yell, "NOT CAUGHT! NOT CAUGHT!" when a catcher needs to tag or throw the ball to first. Eddings didn't do that. Don't blame Paul for Eddings screw up. AJP also heard no "NOT CAUGHT!" and yet he went to first base.

 

Is that a MLB rule for the ump to yell that? Also, what compelled AJP to run? AJP is a catcher and he knows the rules and he ran while Paul thought otherwise.

 

Yeah, I want to know if it's REQUIRED for the ump to yell that. If it's not it should be, and the 1st and 3rd base umps also need to chime in immediately if they see a dropped ball. It would actually be a good idea to have the line umps approve all strikeouts to avoid uncertainty.

 

It isn't required.

 

It's not required at the HS level either.

[Chris]

but he felt compelled to run....why?

 

I did not say "no catch."

[Chris]

 

Great picture DJAXX. You see Paul about to roll the ball while the ump is making his non foul signal and AJ is paying attention to the ump.

 

Watch the video. He doesn't throw the ball on the field until the umpire is clinching his fist giving the out signal.

[CuseCubFan69]

but he felt compelled to run....why?

 

I did not say "no catch."

 

And he didn't punch AJP right away either. This indecision led to this mess.

[erik316wttn]

 

If he has to come to Anaheim today, let's just say Southern Californians have threatened to do more than bite him. :o

 

Cuse, there's one inconsistency when you say Josh Paul should have tagged him just in case. Eddings and all MLB umps yell, "NOT CAUGHT! NOT CAUGHT!" when a catcher needs to tag or throw the ball to first. Eddings didn't do that. Don't blame Paul for Eddings screw up. AJP also heard no "NOT CAUGHT!" and yet he went to first base.

 

Is that a MLB rule for the ump to yell that? Also, what compelled AJP to run? AJP is a catcher and he knows the rules and he ran while Paul thought otherwise.

 

Yeah, I want to know if it's REQUIRED for the ump to yell that. If it's not it should be, and the 1st and 3rd base umps also need to chime in immediately if they see a dropped ball. It would actually be a good idea to have the line umps approve all strikeouts to avoid uncertainty.

 

I agree and this should be a rule but if it's not Paul assumed wrong. I have no idea why the umps didn't get together... all of them and talk about this. From the blurb I saw only the two of them got together.

 

Because in the massive egoverse that consumes MLB umpires, they are completely and totally infallable. No umpire has ever made a bad call. Just ask him.

 

It's completely because of ego. Because they control the game, most tend to think they're above it, and therefore not subject to review on any of thier calls.

 

See: Bucknor, C.B.

[Chris]

And since Doug did not say that the batter was out, play continues, and that ball is alive.

 

:-s

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Also, it doesn't really matter if Paul threw the ball to the mound too early or not. Don't you think if there was no out signal made that Escobar would've gone over to the ball and thrown him out? He would've had him easy, BUT THE UMP SIGNALED OUT, so the inning should be over. Edited October 13, 2005 by Transmogrified Tiger

[CuseCubFan69]

 

Great picture DJAXX. You see Paul about to roll the ball while the ump is making his non foul signal and AJ is paying attention to the ump.

 

Watch the video. He doesn't throw the ball on the field until the umpire is clinching his fist giving the out signal.

 

But he's not looking at the ump either. If the ump is also yelling "You're out" then I can see the arguement 100% for the Angels.

[Chris]

And he didn't punch AJP right away either. This indecision led to this mess.

 

Indecision yes, but the fact remains the same that he DID call him out.

[erik316wttn]

Does anyone know if Bud Selig has been asked for comment?

[Chris]

Well, he (Mike) just said, "Where is the crew chief?" So I was there. He just said, "Hey, he called him out." I said, "Mike, he didn't call him out." I said, "He called it a strike."

 

:-s

Edited October 13, 2005 by Chris

[CuseCubFan69]

Also, it doesn't really matter if Paul threw the ball to the mound or not. Don't you think if there was no out signal made that Escobar would've gone over to the ball and thrown him out? He would've had him easy, BUT THE UMP SIGNALED OUT, so the inning should be over.

 

In all the games you played when you could run on a 3rd strike what did the ump do? He usually pumps that arm for the 3rd strike but often doesn't call it an out until the play is over. Look at tapes of umps when this happens...look at the earlier AB when it happened.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Also, it doesn't really matter if Paul threw the ball to the mound too early or not. Don't you think if there was no out signal made that Escobar would've gone over to the ball and thrown him out? He would've had him easy, BUT THE UMP SIGNALED OUT, so the inning should be over.

 

"I rarely look up there [home plate ump], but this time I did, and I saw he was out." - first baseman Darin Erstad.

 

"Doug Eddings called him out, and somwehere along the line, because the guy ran to first base, he altered the call." - manager Mike Scioscia.

[CuseCubFan69]

And he didn't punch AJP right away either. This indecision led to this mess.

 

Indecision yes, but the fact remains the same that he DID call him out.

 

I think he called it a strike but did not say out loud he was out.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Well, he (Mike) just said, "Where is the crew chief?" So I was there. He just said, "Hey, he called him out." I said, "Mike, he didn't call him out." I said, "He called it a strike."

 

:-s

 

Yes. The umps all have Eddings back. :roll:

[CaliforniaRaisin]

And he didn't punch AJP right away either. This indecision led to this mess.

 

Indecision yes, but the fact remains the same that he DID call him out.

 

I think he called it a strike but did not say out loud he was out.

 

But he motioned with his fist that he was out. Eddings said nothing, because he wanted to see what the players would do...way to control the field of play, ump. :roll:

[CuseCubFan69]

Well, he (Mike) just said, "Where is the crew chief?" So I was there. He just said, "Hey, he called him out." I said, "Mike, he didn't call him out." I said, "He called it a strike."

 

:-s

 

Yes. The umps all have Eddings back. :roll:

 

Did Paul hear him say that AJP was out? If so then the ump is lying but if he didn't then there is the gray area.