MADDUX VESTING PARTY!!!

[YearofDaCubs]

To the people who aren't Rothschild fans... what is your problem with him? Just curious, cause I've heard alot of people around baseball say that he's one of the top pitching coaches in the game.

Well, it doesn't bode well when all of your starting pitchers have regressed from 2003 to 2004 to 2005.

 

EDIT: And for the record it is my opinion that we should fire the entire coaching staff(save for Spier.) A change to shake things up is necessary IMO.

[goonys evil twin]

To the people who aren't Rothschild fans... what is your problem with him? Just curious, cause I've heard alot of people around baseball say that he's one of the top pitching coaches in the game.

Well, it doesn't bode well when all of your starting pitchers have regressed from 2003 to 2004 to 2005.

 

EDIT: And for the record it is my opinion that we should fire the entire coaching staff(save for Spier.) A change to shake things up is necessary IMO.

 

I've heard a lot of good things about Larry. But the results say otherwise. The pitching just hasn't been there. Control is an issue with everybody. Mechanical problems have reportedly injured many. Larry should have been all over Dusty to take Wood/Prior out of some of those games they were kept in way too long.

 

I think they need a clean break, including Speier. Get rid of all of them. This isn't a scapegoat situation, it's a scapeherd. The whole lot of them came up short, by a significant margin.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think they need a clean break, including Speier. Get rid of all of them. This isn't a scapegoat situation, it's a scapeherd. The whole lot of them came up short, by a significant margin.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Speier as the benchcoach or manager with Little coming up to join him if Baker left.

[JC]

 

scapeherd

 

There should be a thread devoted to words coined at NSBB called the Dickpoletionary

[Careless]

 

scapeherd

 

There should be a thread devoted to words coined at NSBB called the Dickpoletionary

Yanr could edit.

[YearofDaCubs]

Per Bruce Levin ESPN 1000. Maddux told him personally that he will be back next year playing for the Cubs. That was obvious but at least we know for certain now.

[Magnetic Curses]

To the people who aren't Rothschild fans... what is your problem with him? Just curious, cause I've heard alot of people around baseball say that he's one of the top pitching coaches in the game.

Well, it doesn't bode well when all of your starting pitchers have regressed from 2003 to 2004 to 2005.

 

EDIT: And for the record it is my opinion that we should fire the entire coaching staff(save for Spier.) A change to shake things up is necessary IMO.

 

I've heard a lot of good things about Larry. But the results say otherwise. The pitching just hasn't been there. Control is an issue with everybody. Mechanical problems have reportedly injured many. Larry should have been all over Dusty to take Wood/Prior out of some of those games they were kept in way too long.

 

I think they need a clean break, including Speier. Get rid of all of them. This isn't a scapegoat situation, it's a scapeherd. The whole lot of them came up short, by a significant margin.

 

i think we need a young crew, maybe a first-timer like girardi. people who know a lot about the game but are constantly trying to learn. Not that Giradi is necessarily like that, i don't know him. But maybe we need someone with some perspective on our situation.

[CuseCubFan69]

Per Bruce Levin ESPN 1000. Maddux told him personally that he will be back next year playing for the Cubs. That was obvious but at least we know for certain now.

 

Now to have the Cubs get Gonzalez and resign Perez and Macias while giving Baker an extension and my time here is complete.

 

Signed,

 

Satan

[Magnetic Curses]

Per Bruce Levin ESPN 1000. Maddux told him personally that he will be back next year playing for the Cubs. That was obvious but at least we know for certain now.

 

Now to have the Cubs get Gonzalez and resign Perez and Macias while giving Baker an extension and my time here is complete.

 

Signed,

 

Satan

 

it doesn't upset me as much as it does others. we have money to spend, we'll spend it regardless of whether maddux comes back next year. is he overpaid? yes. is it a disaster for us? no. he's a serviceable pitcher that will log 200 innings. not worth 9-11 mil, but not the worst thing that could happen, either. I'm glad to have him back, actually. we won't have to worry about filling that 5th starter spot, seeing as how the young stable of starters we had 3 years ago disappeared rather quickly.

[CuseCubFan69]

Per Bruce Levin ESPN 1000. Maddux told him personally that he will be back next year playing for the Cubs. That was obvious but at least we know for certain now.

 

Now to have the Cubs get Gonzalez and resign Perez and Macias while giving Baker an extension and my time here is complete.

 

Signed,

 

Satan

 

it doesn't upset me as much as it does others. we have money to spend, we'll spend it regardless of whether maddux comes back next year. is he overpaid? yes. is it a disaster for us? no. he's a serviceable pitcher that will log 200 innings. not worth 9-11 mil, but not the worst thing that could happen, either. I'm glad to have him back, actually. we won't have to worry about filling that 5th starter spot, seeing as how the young stable of starters we had 3 years ago disappeared rather quickly.

 

If it stops at Maddux Sully I'm ok with it. It's the domino effect that has me worried.

[Magnetic Curses]

Per Bruce Levin ESPN 1000. Maddux told him personally that he will be back next year playing for the Cubs. That was obvious but at least we know for certain now.

 

Now to have the Cubs get Gonzalez and resign Perez and Macias while giving Baker an extension and my time here is complete.

 

Signed,

 

Satan

 

it doesn't upset me as much as it does others. we have money to spend, we'll spend it regardless of whether maddux comes back next year. is he overpaid? yes. is it a disaster for us? no. he's a serviceable pitcher that will log 200 innings. not worth 9-11 mil, but not the worst thing that could happen, either. I'm glad to have him back, actually. we won't have to worry about filling that 5th starter spot, seeing as how the young stable of starters we had 3 years ago disappeared rather quickly.

 

If it stops at Maddux Sully I'm ok with it. It's the domino effect that has me worried.

 

would you feel better if i promised you that macias and perez won't be back? because i'll do that.

[JC]

 

If it stops at Maddux Sully I'm ok with it. It's the domino effect that has me worried.

 

I know what you mean. Spending what is available in the budget for this year is fine, I guess. The only other option is tucking it away for a rainy day, but the Cubs likely wouldn't do that. Just don't use it with the intention of matching the same funds for years to come in long term contracts for mediocre players. That is where you get killed.

[CuseCubFan69]

If it stops at Maddux Sully I'm ok with it. It's the domino effect that has me worried.

 

would you feel better if i promised you that macias and perez won't be back? because i'll do that.

 

:sunny: Perspectives....that's what we all need!

 

This off season to me is what will determine the direction the Cubs are going to go. I've defended Hendry but if he does any of the above...I will not be able to argue his case again.

Edited September 16, 2005 by CuseCubFan69

[Magnetic Curses]

If it stops at Maddux Sully I'm ok with it. It's the domino effect that has me worried.

 

would you feel better if i promised you that macias and perez won't be back? because i'll do that.

 

:sunny: Persectives....that's what we all need!

 

This off season to me is what will determine the direction the Cubs are going to go. I've defended Hendry but if he does any of the above...I will not be able to argue his case again.

 

i agree, this is hendry's make or break year. he's really already been broken for me, though. sadly, there's not a lot of experienced GMs out there whom I'd approve of.

 

but i still promise that neifi and macias won't be back.

[JC]

i agree, this is hendry's make or break year. he's really already been broken for me, though. sadly, there's not a lot of experienced GMs out there whom I'd approve of.

 

I think 2005 was his break year. It has been a brutal season in which the Cubs have seen themselves get blown out of contention in the division, and turn belly up in the Wild Card after two consecutive seasons over .500.

 

The offseason was excruciating, in large part due to Hendry's mishandling of Sosa and the subsequent deals made to that debacle. If you bought into Hendry's insistance that money should be kept back for mid-season additions, well, I give you Matt Lawton.

 

Everyone from MacPhail to Baker should lose their jobs, including Hendry.

[CuseCubFan69]

i agree, this is hendry's make or break year. he's really already been broken for me, though. sadly, there's not a lot of experienced GMs out there whom I'd approve of.

 

I think 2005 was his break year. It has been a brutal season in which the Cubs have seen themselves get blown out of contention in the division, and turn belly up in the Wild Card after two consecutive seasons over .500.

 

The offseason was excruciating, in large part due to Hendry's mishandling of Sosa and the subsequent deals made to that debacle. If you bought into Hendry's insistance that money should be kept back for mid-season additions, well, I give you Matt Lawton.

 

Everyone from MacPhail to Baker should lose their jobs, including Hendry.

 

The reason why I am giving Hendry the benefit of doubt is that I hope that he saw what a poor manager Baker was and is and he didn't want to make a big trade at the deadline to make the future that much worse. I'm clinging to this belief and if Hendry reups Baker the gloves will come off. I'm hoping that Hendry finds a way to let Baker wiggle away while Baker gets to keep that pride that he has so much of.

[Magnetic Curses]

i agree, this is hendry's make or break year. he's really already been broken for me, though. sadly, there's not a lot of experienced GMs out there whom I'd approve of.

 

I think 2005 was his break year. It has been a brutal season in which the Cubs have seen themselves get blown out of contention in the division, and turn belly up in the Wild Card after two consecutive seasons over .500.

 

The offseason was excruciating, in large part due to Hendry's mishandling of Sosa and the subsequent deals made to that debacle. If you bought into Hendry's insistance that money should be kept back for mid-season additions, well, I give you Matt Lawton.

 

Everyone from MacPhail to Baker should lose their jobs, including Hendry.

 

who do you think should get hendry's job?

[JC]

i agree, this is hendry's make or break year. he's really already been broken for me, though. sadly, there's not a lot of experienced GMs out there whom I'd approve of.

 

I think 2005 was his break year. It has been a brutal season in which the Cubs have seen themselves get blown out of contention in the division, and turn belly up in the Wild Card after two consecutive seasons over .500.

 

The offseason was excruciating, in large part due to Hendry's mishandling of Sosa and the subsequent deals made to that debacle. If you bought into Hendry's insistance that money should be kept back for mid-season additions, well, I give you Matt Lawton.

 

Everyone from MacPhail to Baker should lose their jobs, including Hendry.

 

who do you think should get hendry's job?

 

I haven't put a lot of thought into that, Sulley. Partly due to the fact that I don't know the qualifications or availability of candidates. That doesn't stop me from wanting him removed.

 

I would never accuse Jim of not being a hard worker, but I don't see much creativity in what he does. I don't like his negotiating style and I don't like how narrow minded he can sometimes be with respect to players he covets. While some of his moves have certainly been beneficial to the Cubs, I don't agree with most of his decisions. Most distressingly, his relationship, evaluation of, and loyalty to Dusty causes me too much concern to keep him at the helm.

 

So, I don't know who I'd choose to replace him. However, were I in the baseball field, I'm confident I could find a candidate more in line with how I think the organization should be run.

[Magnetic Curses]

i agree, this is hendry's make or break year. he's really already been broken for me, though. sadly, there's not a lot of experienced GMs out there whom I'd approve of.

 

I think 2005 was his break year. It has been a brutal season in which the Cubs have seen themselves get blown out of contention in the division, and turn belly up in the Wild Card after two consecutive seasons over .500.

 

The offseason was excruciating, in large part due to Hendry's mishandling of Sosa and the subsequent deals made to that debacle. If you bought into Hendry's insistance that money should be kept back for mid-season additions, well, I give you Matt Lawton.

 

Everyone from MacPhail to Baker should lose their jobs, including Hendry.

 

who do you think should get hendry's job?

 

I haven't put a lot of thought into that, Sulley. Partly due to the fact that I don't know the qualifications or availability of candidates. That doesn't stop me from wanting him removed.

 

I would never accuse Jim of not being a hard worker, but I don't see much creativity in what he does. I don't like his negotiating style and I don't like how narrow minded he can sometimes be with respect to players he covets. While some of his moves have certainly been beneficial to the Cubs, I don't agree with most of his decisions. Most distressingly, his relationship, evaluation of, and loyalty to Dusty causes me too much concern to keep him at the helm.

 

So, I don't know who I'd choose to replace him. However, were I in the baseball field, I'm confident I could find a candidate more in line with how I think the organization should be run.

 

i was just wondering if you knew of any names out there that you'd like to see, as i can't really think of any. i'm sure there are superior alternatives to hendry and i only hope that phillips' name doesn't come up should hendry be replaced.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

As I've said before, the thought of Hendry getting fired and Hughes replacing scares me beyond all comprehension.

[CuseCubFan69]

As I've said before, the thought of Hendry getting fired and Hughes replacing scares me beyond all comprehension.

 

Hehehe....I figured you'd like him because of the way he looks at "new technology". Instead of flying the Cubs would be traveling by stagecoach.

[dalgreen]

As I've said before, the thought of Hendry getting fired and Hughes replacing scares me beyond all comprehension.

 

Hendry won't get fired. Remember, the only reason why Lynch isn't the GM is because MacPhail accepted his resignation --- the second resignation he submitted to MacPhail. So, if MacPhail wasn't bright enough to fire Lynch than he's not about to fire Hendry.

[CuseCubFan69]

As I've said before, the thought of Hendry getting fired and Hughes replacing scares me beyond all comprehension.

 

Hendry won't get fired. Remember, the only reason why Lynch isn't the GM is because MacPhail accepted his resignation --- the second resignation he submitted to MacPhail. So, if MacPhail wasn't bright enough to fire Lynch than he's not about to fire Hendry.

 

Maybe there was a spelling error in the first resignation. Andy likes things to be neat and tidy.

[Mark Priors Calves]

As I've said before, the thought of Hendry getting fired and Hughes replacing scares me beyond all comprehension.

 

Anybody wanna dig up the link to the chat with Hughes and Baseball America?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

As I've said before, the thought of Hendry getting fired and Hughes replacing scares me beyond all comprehension.

 

Hehehe....I figured you'd like him because of the way he looks at "new technology". Instead of flying the Cubs would be traveling by stagecoach.

 

He may just mandate that the team go back to gloves without pockets, because "that's the way it was supposed to be". I also picture him saying that like Will Forte playing Zell Miller.